Elite Onslaught is Pointless Boredom Because of Saryn

[Sesaline]

28 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

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skill says additive. 

go edit it on the wiki if you think you're so super right. take a journey over there and get a mouthful from their quality control.

apparently this is you vs the wiki, DE, and me right now which is hilarious. 

You work out the toxin damage but it isn't multiplied with her regular damage before the skill. It's added. additive. not multiplicative, which is why the skill and the wiki both say additive. My dude, I am not disagreeing with you on how the formula for the toxin value works. I am arguing about how that value is applied, and it isn't multiplied. So it isn't a multiplicative skill like

For example, again, Volt's 200% crit damage multiplier through shields. The lightning 50 damage is additive. Saryn's lash is additive, not multiplicative, in the end. And if you can't understand that after this long of back and forth then either I have failed to say it 1893643 times or you are dyslexic when it comes to the word "add" and "additive".

Do you know how to read? I've been saying this the whole time. sheesh. The person said that the skill is multiplicative and it isn't, period. 

[(PSN)LubzinNJ]

37 minutes ago, (XB1)Thy Divinity said:

This thread hasn't died yet??  Must be a slow week....

I've had this thought numerous times over the past few days

[angias]

il y a 7 minutes, Sesaline a dit :

skill says additive. 

go edit it on the wiki if you think you're so super right. take a journey over there and get a mouthful from their quality control.

apparently this is you vs the wiki, DE, and me right now which is hilarious. 

You work out the toxin damage but it isn't multiplied with her regular damage before the skill. It's added. additive. not multiplicative, which is why the skill and the wiki both say additive. My dude, I am not disagreeing with you on how the formula for the toxin value works. I am arguing about how that value is applied, and it isn't multiplied. So it isn't a multiplicative skill like

For example, again, Volt's 200% crit damage multiplier through shields. The lightning 50 damage is additive. Saryn's lash is additive, not multiplicative, in the end. And if you can't understand that after this long of back and forth then either I have failed to say it 1893643 times or you are dyslexic when it comes to the word "add" and "additive".

Do you know how to read? I've been saying this the whole time. sheesh. The person said that the skill is multiplicative and it isn't, period. 

......you either really want to win an argument of wording or you don't understand math....

[DeMonkey]

12 minutes ago, Sesaline said:

You work out the toxin damage but it isn't multiplied with her regular damage before the skill.

Never said it was, I have listed the formula numerous times so you know full well I don't think this.

It's multiplied from the regular damage.

But guess what? That's still multiplication, Cupcake!

12 minutes ago, Sesaline said:

or you are dyslexic when it comes to the word "add" and "additive".

Or maybe you're dyslexic when it comes to ''additional'' and ''additive''.

I'd like a screenshot of where on the wiki or the game it is directly referred to as ''additive''. I reckon I'll be here awhile.

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Are you back yet? Did you discover that it doesn't actually state ''additive''?

Yes, that's right, it states ''additional''. And in order to work out how much Toxin damage to add, you have to multiply, making the ability multiplicative. If you take one figure, and multiply it by another figure to reach yet another figure, then that is multiplication. Hooray for knowing what I'm talking about.

Given you seem incapable of actually looking for yourself no matter how many times I post it, this is what Toxin Lashes blocking buff looks like, and an example of how the wiki refers to an ability as additive.

I know, it's so simple, it even SAYS additive.

12 minutes ago, Sesaline said:

I am arguing about how that value is applied,

In case other people get confused, yeah? That was your reasoning.

As stated, no one in their right mind will get confused about it, you're good, you don't need to try such a pedantic argument, it's okay. It's not something people get confused about, if you read that something is multiplicative, then you multiply. Toxin Lash has a bonus of 30% and it's multiplicative, therefore you will multiply your damage by 30%, it's literally that simple.

Seriously, the only reason that this is even an issue is because you've employed such pathetic pedantry.

I think I've been condescending enough, don't you? Perhaps in the future you should simply wait until someone gets confused (not that anyone will) before clarifying things, there's a good lad.

Spoiler

That was pretty cathartic.

 

[ZackNeutron]

On 2018-08-19 at 10:06 AM, Kraythax said:

The rest of us would like to get a few kills now and then.

EDIT: Left 4 squads in 5 min. All with 2 or 3 saryns in them. 

SALT DETECTED!

Huh, another salty thread. Here we go again.
 

Don't eat too much salt, it will make you sick even kill you.

 

EDIT: Left 4 squads in 5 mins. All with no Saryn, no Volt, No Equinox in them.

Why wasting your time in ESO mission when your squad can't even kill fast?

Edited August 21, 2018 by ZackNeutron
I GOT SALTY!!! PLZ NERF!!!

[Myrkrvaldyr]

You seem to think that Saryn just by existing can nuke and infect a map. If she cannot maintain her spores up her damage decreases a lot, which means she'll barely do shyt at high levels. And finally, only a properly modded Saryn can be the AIDS Queen. Most Saryn players I've met are not able to do any of what you described. I as a Khora have several times outDPSed Saryns. I love Saryn and she's the frame I obviously have most kills with, but that's only because I've taken the time to learn her and mod her.

Edited August 21, 2018 by Myrkrvaldyr

[(PSN)chubbslawson]

You tell em monkey

[(PSN)chubbslawson]

Saryn is just fine the way she is 

[angias]

Ok they need to be consistent on the wiki.

Info says it's calculated from the total damage before resistance.

Tips and tricks says it's calculated from the base damage.

Need to do some test in order to fix that.

They won't let me change it without proof.

Edited August 21, 2018 by angias

[(PSN)supernova_girlie]

I'm not going to sit here and lie: Saryn is OP, but you gotta' admit that this rework was nothing less than pure genius, true mastery! I remember whining when I heard she was going to be reworked and then when the final rework landed on console and I slaughtered 95% of the first wave on Hydron with one button press it was like the skies parted and started raining gold nuggets all over the place! Can you spell O-R-G-A-S-M?!

My question is this though: Once all the warframes are spayed or neutered, what will we have left? I use my Ember now to run around opening lockers on low-level missions almost exclusively. What will wow factor will Warframe have left?

[SneakyErvin]

31 minutes ago, angias said:

Ok they need to be consistent on the wiki.

Info says it's calculated from the total damage before resistance.

Tips and tricks says it's calculated from the base damage.

Need to do some test in order to fix that.

They won't let me change it without proof.

The tips and tricks is probably refering to the Toxin DoT proc.

It is a seperate Toxin proc that isnt combined with your possible Toxin mods on the weapon, so it is only based on base damage (including serrations, pressure point and other similar mobs).

[angias]

il y a 31 minutes, SneakyErvin a dit :

The tips and tricks is probably refering to the Toxin DoT proc.

It is a seperate Toxin proc that isnt combined with your possible Toxin mods on the weapon, so it is only based on base damage (including serrations, pressure point and other similar mobs).

Just did the test for the dot.

Tried with dual toxocyst with and without elemental mod.

(Separate build)

Total damage is 348 (no multishot)

Toxin lash buff is 60% and the dot is supposed to do half of that per tic.

348*0.6=208.8*0.5=104.4 damage per tic.

No adding an elemental mod i multiply that per *2.65 wich give 276.66 per tic.

I will put a video soon.

Edited August 21, 2018 by angias

[(XBOX)The Neko Otaku]

This thread has went from salt lord complaing about sayrn being in op in everything to people explain is just eso she's overpowered in and now people are doing math on abilities 

[angias]

il y a 2 minutes, (XB1)The Neko Otaku a dit :

This thread has went from salt lord complaing about sayrn being in op in everything to people explain is just eso she's overpowered in and now people are doing math on abilities 

Giving the opportunity to those who think she is op to see this thread.

Either changing their mind or allowing them to give good argument. (would be quite surprises)

[angias]

il y a 2 minutes, (XB1)The Neko Otaku a dit :

This thread has went from salt lord complaing about sayrn being in op in everything to people explain is just eso she's overpowered in and now people are doing math on abilities 

Giving the opportunity to those who think she is op to see this thread.

Either changing their mind or allowing them to give good argument. (would be quite surprises)

[Lenyatta]

9 minutes ago, angias said:

Giving the opportunity to those who think she is op to see this thread.

Either changing their mind or allowing them to give good argument. (would be quite surprises)

are the good arguments on the pro-saryn side still GIT GUD and YER JUST JEALOUS MATE ?

[DeMonkey]

9 minutes ago, Lenyatta said:

are the good arguments on the pro-saryn side still GIT GUD and YER JUST JEALOUS MATE ?

You forgot ''DON'T TELL ME HOW TO PLAY''.

[angias]

il y a 31 minutes, Lenyatta a dit :

are the good arguments on the pro-saryn side still GIT GUD and YER JUST JEALOUS MATE ?

has dumb has it souds.....yes

The fact that EsO regroup all the element that make spore shine. Litteraly you can kill enemy without thinking about it, because there will be a mob who'll catch those spore you just spreaded.

has for getting good....i dunno i did a third of the damage in melee with a saryn trying it's best.

She get a high amount of damage dot only if the mob live for a long period of time otherwise the spore spread just stop.

She feel broken and op mostly for those who aren't supposed to be there.

funny enough the more the squad is active the more saryn has to cast her spore to not loose her buildup.

outside of eso it's completely different.

 

I am a pro-saryn and the scaling damage on her spore is mechanicly a nerf, not a buff. If you think the DEv will change that, then go make a bill i'll back you up.

Edited August 21, 2018 by angias

[HeyKidd0]

im afraid i dont like nerfs of any kind, i normally try to steer clear of these posts, one of my favorite games was ruined due to nerfs so i stopped playing it.

[(PSN)LubzinNJ]

2 hours ago, Lenyatta said:

are the good arguments on the pro-saryn side still GIT GUD and YER JUST JEALOUS MATE ?

Also "It's not good in every situation"

Try and get your Saryn going on the Plains with a fully built Mesa in the party.

[failedtodiet]

7 hours ago, DeMonkey said:

You're not making a lot of sense, although your attempted insults are funny, ''iffy reading comprehension'', ''overreaching'' puh-lease.

It's no bother to me ofc, I can reciprocate in kind, because that's the kinda sod I am.

 

I shall ask you a single very simple question, it shouldn't be too hard (although given your previous posts on this matter I do have my doubts).

How do you work out the amount of Toxin damage that is to be added?

I'll give you a few seconds to work it out, *cue countdown music*.

No? That's a darned shame, I had such high hopes for you.

The answer is that you multiply the total damage of the weapon, making the value of the Toxin damage multiplicative.

To explain this again, multiplicative's definition is ''subject to or of the nature of multiplication''.

Toxin damage or even just damage in general is of course the subject, and in order to work out your damage you have to subject it to multiplication in the form of the formula ''Total damage x (1+30%)''.

If you want to know the total damage of your weapon, you perform multiplication. This means that each figure can also be argued to be ''of the nature of'' multiplication as it requires multiplication to get it.

Isn't learning fun, I'm glad we took this journey together.

No one is going to get confused if someone refers to Toxin Lash as multiplicative.

Once again, look at Toxin Lashes Blocking Reduction stats, that is additive. There is a very clear difference between the two.

First of, i know i should not stir up this dying topic up again. Secondly, English is not my native language and i have no idea what math is. Forgive me wise monkey.

But if you read this post 

11 hours ago, 4thBro said:

 

And that being said, why don't ya go ahead and list off all the frames that even HAVE multiplicative damage bonus abilities.

 

Correct me if i'm wrong. Is he implying that all other warframes damage bonus is only additive ? So without giving any specific or realistic numbers, as far as my broken engrish goes, I understand that he tried to say that Saryn's buff is far more potent than every other frame's buffs.

 

[4thBro]

Don't twist my words. I said to list off the other frames that have multiplicative damage bonuses. That means do that. It does not mean anything else.

 

Point being, the list is ultra short. No, Saryn isn't alone on it. And frankly, she's probably the lowest multiplicative value on there. But 30% is 30%, and even higher with Strength. It may be the lowest on the list, but it's HIGHER than more than half the frames. Saryn, this super omega pack clearing frame also has a multiplicative damage buff to serve her well for bosses.

 

Mob clearing specialist?

Yes.

Limited to just that?

No.

 

And that's my point. MOST of the pro-Saryn arguments are, "but she's only good at one thing!"

False.

 

That's the point I am making.

 

Never twist my words again.

[(PSN)lhbuch]

Onslaught is not a good measure for saryn becayse tge spawns happen right next to you insread of 5 rooms away

[failedtodiet]

21 minutes ago, 4thBro said:

Don't twist my words. I said to list off the other frames that have multiplicative damage bonuses. That means do that. It does not mean anything else.

 

Point being, the list is ultra short. No, Saryn isn't alone on it. And frankly, she's probably the lowest multiplicative value on there. But 30% is 30%, and even higher with Strength. It may be the lowest on the list, but it's HIGHER than more than half the frames. Saryn, this super omega pack clearing frame also has a multiplicative damage buff to serve her well for bosses.

 

Mob clearing specialist?

Yes.

Limited to just that?

No.

 

And that's my point. MOST of the pro-Saryn arguments are,

False.

 

That's the point I am making.

 

Never twist my words again.

Your words came out exactly as you typed in and bolded them up. Nobody can twist it except you.

 

You ignored every other points aside from "but she's only good at one thing!". But now you toned down a bit, there are still half of frames that have HIGHER multiplicative value than her. Also, half of the frames out there are outdated and requires rework.

 

Also could you kindly post your high str build ? I'm having very rough time with 230+ str at high level.

[4thBro]

1 minute ago, failedtodiet said:

Your words came out exactly as you typed in and bolded them up. Nobody can twist it except you.

 

You ignored every other points aside from "but she's only good at one thing!". But now you toned down a bit, there are still half of frames that have HIGHER multiplicative value than her. Also, half of the frames out there are outdated and requires rework.

 

Also could you kindly post your high str build ? I'm having very rough time with 230+ str at high level.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa WHOA.

There you go again, twisting my words.

Or, more accurately, misunderstanding them I guess.

 

I didn't say "half of the frames in the game have multiplicative bonuses". I said MORE than half DO NOT.

In fact, it's probably something like... 3-5 frames DO? And Saryn is one of them.

 

What post did I ignore? Show me and I will directly address it. I felt I was doing a good job at responding. (Keep in mind, I was not in this thread from the start. I came in late and didn't wanna read 9 pages of BS. But that being said, I implore you to show me a post you want my response for.)

 

As for the build, let me just tell you that 175% Efficiency is not needed. When was the last time you went OOM spending 6 energy per spell?

ALL of that unused energy directly represents stats that you're missing out on.