moooooski Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, White_Matter said: You are telling that to a guy who paid 250 dolars for a founders package. Makes alot of sense. Hey man check your spelling (dollar) and btw it was his choice and being a founder doesn't makes you special. Edited March 7, 2019 by moooooski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObviousLee Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, (XB1)ECCHO SIERRA said: You dont understand feedback threads belong in the feedback forum so you? If I had a dollar for every time somebody used the "slap in the face" metaphor around here. Jesus. As mentioned several times before, the thread was moved here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObviousLee Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Zeclem said: you can but k what proof? except your "proposition" is nothing but bashing de cus hildryn can hover. thats the topic of this thread. its not exactly a waste in open fields, so git gud i guess? no, i wont. im not gonna read a "proposal" written in a childlike tantrum. Then by all means, demonstrate that I'm wrong about animation locks. open fields aren't the majority of gameplay and therefore are an outlier and you don't balance against an outlier? there's been no bashing? Edited March 7, 2019 by ObviousLee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeclem Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, ObviousLee said: Then by all means, demonstrate that I'm wrong about animation locks. you come up with the claim that animation locks exist. go prove it to me. its your job, not mine. 1 hour ago, ObviousLee said: open fields aren't the majority of gameplay and therefore are an outlier and you don't balance against an outlier? actually they make quite a sizable part of the gameplay since open fields contain the only traces of "endgame" content we have, and there are quite a few large open spaces in a few tilesets as well. 1 hour ago, ObviousLee said: there's been no bashing? did you even read what you post? you have been blaming de with favoritism and how much they suck at making this game. both are pretty damn false. how is it now bashing? holy crap you arent even worth replying after this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObviousLee Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, Zeclem said: you come up with the claim that animation locks exist. go prove it to me. its your job, not mine. actually they make quite a sizable part of the gameplay since open fields contain the only traces of "endgame" content we have, and there are quite a few large open spaces in a few tilesets as well. did you even read what you post? you have been blaming de with favoritism and how much they suck at making this game. both are pretty damn false. how is it now bashing? holy crap you arent even worth replying after this. Sure. As soon as I get off work I'll be happy to invite you to the simulacrum and demonstrate that you are wrong. The only thing I said about favoritism is that it is wrong. I'm guessing you haven't seenthe video from Rehetalius pointing out some of the same issues I'm mentioning here and now. It's not bashing because I've made it clear from the beginning that open top being corrected if I'm wrong, by the developers. You, don't speak for them. Whether or not the plains and vallis are your definition of endgame is irrelevant. It's not even part ofthe topic. The only relevance those locations have is in relation tothe argument that zephyr is fine because plains exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White_Matter Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 hours ago, moooooski said: Hey man check your spelling (dollar) and btw it was his choice and being a founder doesn't makes you special. You know you got destroyed when you find your self trying to point out a spelling error of random post on an online forum. Keep it up 😂 3 hours ago, (XB1)Cubic Clem said: Probably the most baseless argument I've ever read.. Jesus Christ. Solid rebuttal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moooooski Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Just now, White_Matter said: You know you got destroyed when you find your self trying to point out a spelling error of random post on an online forum. Keep it up 😂 Solid rebuttal. pff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, (XB1)RDeschain82 said: Except in Hyldrons case it does?! Lol 52-54: "Take flight Tenno" Zephyr Profile video 15:25: "Zephyrs abilities send her into flight" The trailer says "It's fight and flight, Tenno." It's a play on "fight or flight." Fun fact, "flight" in "fight or flight" does not mean to literally become airborne. Given that Hildryn has actual thrusters, I seriously do not see the issue here. Thrusters allow individual to take to the air and hover, that is their purpose. Zephyr can, by virtue of being lightweight and her abilities, take to the air and literally fly for a period of time (think flying squirrel). This entire thread is a non-issue. Edited March 7, 2019 by (PS4)abbacephas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObviousLee Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: The trailer says "It's fight and flight, Tenno." It's a play on "fight or flight." Given that Hildryn has actual thrusters, I seriously do not see the issue here. Thrusters allow individual to take to the air and hover, that is their purpose. Zephyr can, by virtue of being lightweight and her abilities, take to the air and literally fly for a period of time (think flying squirrel). This entire thread is a non-issue. Flying squirrels don't actually fly though. They glide. Entirely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, ObviousLee said: Flying squirrels don't actually fly though. They glide. Entirely different. Gliding flight. Want to try again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObviousLee Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: Gliding flight. Want to try again? Sure. Gliding flight cannot gain altitude unless using thermal updrafts. You can gain incremental altitude only temporarily with the methods in your link. Powered flight, which is actual flight, can attain higher altitude under its own power in greater increments unaided by thermals. Good article though. Edit: your flying squirrel example is noted by your own source to be unable to gain altitude. So, as I said, incomparable. Second edit: I know most this offhand because I was a pilot in the army. Edited March 7, 2019 by ObviousLee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)psycofang Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 7 hours ago, (XB1)RDeschain82 said: Except in Hyldrons case it does?! Lol 52-54: "Take flight Tenno" Zephyr Profile video 15:25: "Zephyrs abilities send her into flight" They use the word differently for each frame. Whay youre not understanding or refuse to understand is thst flight had many different applications which is not false advertising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, ObviousLee said: actual flight Who are you to define what 'actual flight' is? There are different forms of flight. Just because the other forms do not match your misguided, preconceived notions of what flight should be (ie. perpetual motion in the air) does not inherently disqualify them as legitimate forms of flight. The very first statement in the article I linked says: Gliding flight is heavier-than-air flight without the use of thrust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)psycofang Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: The trailer says "It's fight and flight, Tenno." It's a play on "fight or flight." Fun fact, "flight" in "fight or flight" does not mean to literally become airborne. Given that Hildryn has actual thrusters, I seriously do not see the issue here. Thrusters allow individual to take to the air and hover, that is their purpose. Zephyr can, by virtue of being lightweight and her abilities, take to the air and literally fly for a period of time (think flying squirrel). This entire thread is a non-issue. Bingo. Op is being obtuse on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObviousLee Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, (PS4)psycofang said: Bingo. Op is being obtuse on purpose. Might wanna read my last post, and Bully for you for claiming the literal unknowable. You're not helping here. Please be on topic or remove yourself from the thread. Thank you. Edited March 7, 2019 by ObviousLee Wrong word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)psycofang Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, ObviousLee said: Might wanna read my last post Might wanna read all applicable definitions of flight. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)LeBlingKing Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ObviousLee said: You're not helping here. Please be on topic or remove yourself from the thread. Thank you. Damn, what a superiority complex. Also, all you had to say was that Zephyr should be able to fly, just like Hildryn, because of her theme and aesthetic. That's literally all you had to say. I agree with your point, but the way you displayed it was so bombastic that it kinda just threw me off. Favoritism? Not necessarily. It's always been a habit for DE to keep working on new stuff but then only touch old stuff only every once in a while. So what? If it bothers you that much, just don't use the Warframe. Or, better yet, use your imagination and pretend that Zephyr is capable of flight. I don't know. This whole thread just seems kinda pointless to me. Edited March 7, 2019 by (PS4)LeBlingKing69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moooooski Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ObviousLee said: Might wanna read my last post, and Bully for you for claiming the literal unknowable. You're not helping here. Please be on topic or remove yourself from the thread. Thank you. ALL THIS RAGE CAUSE ZEPHYR CAN'T FLY BUT HILDRYN CAN LET IT GO MON Edited March 7, 2019 by moooooski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seprent Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 i see were still on the topic of birds allow me to lighten the mood Spoiler Chinese golden pheasant enjoy birb on a off topic note has the dark and light themes of the forum changed? im on dark theme and it looks way different background wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepychewbacca Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 17 minutes ago, moooooski said: ALL THIS RAGE CAUSE ZEPHYR CAN'T FLY BUT HILDRYN CAN LET IT GO MON How else to get 15 minutes of fame? Post a 'supposedly' feedback thread in General Discussion. Make it something that's relatively insignificant. Claim it as an issue of UTMOST IMPORTANCE. Add a clickbaity title. Respond aggressively. Grofit all the attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSG501 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 22 hours ago, ObviousLee said: I understand why Titania can fly, she's a fairy. Makes sense. So please help me understand why a frame that has zero avionic thematics can ALSO fly, but zephyr still cannot fly. Dictionary definition of zephyr is a light breeze (or a west wind).. ie to do with wind, which she is. Zephyr as a shorted version of Zeppelin, well they float unless they have propulsion... zephyr already does this. I don't see where you're getting an avionic theme from her other than the fact she looks 'bird like' which is stretching the term at best and that's ignoring the fact not all birds fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)SweatyPick3L Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: The trailer says "It's fight and flight, Tenno." It's a play on "fight or flight." Fun fact, "flight" in "fight or flight" does not mean to literally become airborne. Given that Hildryn has actual thrusters, I seriously do not see the issue here. Thrusters allow individual to take to the air and hover, that is their purpose. Zephyr can, by virtue of being lightweight and her abilities, take to the air and literally fly for a period of time (think flying squirrel). This entire thread is a non-issue. Oh so I'm supposed to know that by just watching a profile vid of the Lotus saying Zephyr's abilities can send her into flight, Not flight but flying squirrel flight?! Come on lol even that's a reach. Lol in the end I guess we'll have to agree to disagree cuz I think she should freaking fly like a bird and you think she should fall gracefully. Lol whatever. Srry OP, I tried. Some people u just can't reach. Edited March 7, 2019 by (XB1)RDeschain82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, (XB1)RDeschain82 said: Oh so I'm supposed to know that by just watching a profile vid of the Lotus saying Zephyr's abilities can send her into flight, Not flight but flying squirrel flight?! Come on lol even that's a reach. Lol No. It's rudimentary knowledge that there are different types of flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)SweatyPick3L Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: No. It's rudimentary knowledge that there are different types of flight. By DE standards, Is it tho? I don't think so.. Edited March 7, 2019 by (XB1)RDeschain82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Just now, (XB1)RDeschain82 said: By DE standards, Is it tho? I don't think so.. Are you claiming to know that DE doesn't know that there are different types of flight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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