FIX THE TRIDOLON META! Make other frames viable

[Aldain]

Just now, Zilchy said:

Ah well that's a fair enough statement for sure.

Don't get me wrong, I'm just as guilty of bringing a Chroma/Rubico combination into Teralyst hunts (not confident enough for tridolons and the Switch version has no learning/casual parties or clans, at least none I've found) just to make sure that somebody can take the limbs down.

But the issue mainly is that snipers are pretty much the only realistic and easily attainable method of taking down most of these enemies, there's no balance or place for any other weapon type due to the insane DR on the Eidolon, but at the same time that DR is a requirement because without it a bullehose with raw DPS will kill things faster than 5 shots from a Rubico.

I think the issue is the reliance on eHP rather than raw HP with less DR, but I'm not a math wiz who can figure out the numbers needed to calculate that.

[(PSN)ImTheOx]

1 minute ago, (XB1)The Neko Otaku said:

It's not DE fault and they really can't do much about what people use for the meta of eidolons. People are going to use the most efficient frames to get as many eidolons in as possible in that hour window 

its not their fault. 

But its in their power to change things. 

if they dont Tridolon captures will continue to lose players due to Elitist arrogance. 

Eidolon hunts have the most toxic players in the game right now. 

Well not counting the Riven trading. 

[Dreadwire]

Even i would leave if i see a limbo in my squad 

[-CdG-Zilchy]

1 minute ago, Aldain said:

Don't get me wrong, I'm just as guilty of bringing a Chroma/Rubico combination into Teralyst hunts (not confident enough for tridolons and the Switch version has no learning/casual parties or clans, at least none I've found) just to make sure that somebody can take the limbs down.

But the issue mainly is that snipers are pretty much the only realistic and easily attainable method of taking down most of these enemies, there's no balance or place for any other weapon type due to the insane DR on the Eidolon, but at the same time that DR is a requirement because without it a bullehose with raw DPS will kill things faster than 5 shots from a Rubico.

I think the issue is the reliance on eHP rather than raw HP with less DR, but I'm not a math wiz who can figure out the numbers needed to calculate that.

I mean I've used a pyrana on the limbs if I accidently get downed and it's very effective but yeh, sniper combos are crazy so it's understandable that's all that's used. The same can be said with always bringing an itzal, it's just more useful, I blink to get lures, then during Terry healing phase I cast fighter escort and use cosmic crush to smash the escort and vomvalysts together to fill the lures. And all the 4 meta frames used in hunts also perfectly fill their roles. The issue is just the timed windows to hunt and the value of the rewards. Without those 2 factors, nobody would care what you bring. The ones who did still care would make their own hunting groups.

[(PSN)Hikuro-93]

13 minutes ago, ReaverKane said:

Actually Volt is pretty good and Meta for ESO and Tridolon...

Yes. Totally forgot him, ty.

[Aldain]

Just now, Zilchy said:

The issue is just the timed windows to hunt and the value of the rewards. Without those 2 factors, nobody would care what you bring.

Can't deny that, which is likely why the Profit-taker has less of a raw meta setup...the downside is that most people just solo it and finding PuGs for it is difficult because of it.

[(PSN)ImTheOx]

5 minutes ago, Zilchy said:

I mean I've used a pyrana on the limbs if I accidently get downed and it's very effective but yeh, sniper combos are crazy so it's understandable that's all that's used. The same can be said with always bringing an itzal, it's just more useful, I blink to get lures, then during Terry healing phase I cast fighter escort and use cosmic crush to smash the escort and vomvalysts together to fill the lures. And all the 4 meta frames used in hunts also perfectly fill their roles. The issue is just the timed windows to hunt and the value of the rewards. Without those 2 factors, nobody would care what you bring. The ones who did still care would make their own hunting groups.

Meybe you just have a solution in your post. 

meybe Eidolon hunts should not be timed.

Chose Eidolon hunt to go directly in the plains at night, or chose other bounties to go in at day time. 

 

We could finaly take our time to enjoy a good Eidolon hunt and experiment with new frames... 

 

Edited April 21, 2019 by (PS4)ImTheOx

[-CdG-Zilchy]

2 minutes ago, (PS4)ImTheOx said:

Meybe you just have a solution in your post. 

meybe Eidolon hunts should not be timed.

Chose Eidolon hunt to go directly in a plains at night, or chose other bounties to go in at day time. 

 

We could finaly take our time to enjoy a good Eidolon hunt and experiment with new frames... 

 

Absolutely mate. I know it's cliche but I recommend playing with clan mates who aren't fussed about using whatever. I do that all the time with my mates, makes the game much more fun.

[(PSN)Hikuro-93]

49 minutes ago, (PS4)ImTheOx said:

my problem is not adaptation.

I mastered all the Meta for Tridolon, and can Take any role in the capture. The problem is that all the good loot is in Tridolon capture and playing the same frame for the 88th Hydrolist capture makes me wanna kill my self. 

And anytime i wanna go with a different frame in a random game everyone freaks out like i have no freakin clue. 

Its just ridicolouse that only a combination of 4 specific warframes is a good meta for a 4capture in a night. 

They need to allow other frames abilities to actualy work on eidolons to kill the monotonous grind.  (Pun intended) 

I was unsure if that was what you truly meant, but yes, that's severely off putting. I could do any role as well, specially Trinity. I did it to the point I burned out completely gave up for 7 months, and then resumed just to finish my focus farming once and for all. And once I got it done I just bought whatever arcanes I didn't have yet because I never want to hunt any Eidolon again.

So yes, while those are good frames, and I still find Mesa too strong to target joints, there is other stuff the other frames could contribute with as well. And allI said was as a former daily raider who enjoyed doing Law of Retribution every day. Because there were at least 5 roles that didn't need an insane damage output llke a rivened chroma. And at least we had different tasks and paces, unlike taking down 3 versions of the same creature several times. On that I do agree a lot.

[mikakor]

10 minutes ago, (PS4)ImTheOx said:

its not their fault. 

But its in their power to change things. 

if they dont Tridolon captures will continue to lose players due to Elitist arrogance. 

Eidolon hunts have the most toxic players in the game right now. 

Well not counting the Riven trading. 

"Elitist arrogance" Lol, what a #*!%load of crap.

You go in pub, you deal with it. People want to be the most efficient. Limbo is NOT one of the most efficient frames for tricap, end of the line. If you're too salty to even try to change, boo #*!%ing hoo, too bad.

 

Sadly, something that would help towards this is not having a bloody timegate on eidolons. But DE still needs to admit and change it. Then, people would be less toxic. They are toxic because a boss is gated behind a IRL condition. Being available at certain hours. So they get toxic when someone who won't bring the maximum he can to the team enter.

In this context, you are the said person, because there is frames way more useful to a fight than Limbo. It's your sad reality, deal with it. I would like Limbo meta, but he's not. Adapt, or crash.

[(PSN)ImTheOx]

4 minutes ago, Zilchy said:

Absolutely mate. I know it's cliche but I recommend playing with clan mates who aren't fussed about using whatever. I do that all the time with my mates, makes the game much more fun.

Ah my clan is not all that active. 

Im a warlord in a clan of like 10folks and no one plays. 

the rest are only random newbies that i invited so they can get weapon blueprints. Besides i told you, i like random folks. but most randoms just leave seasons if the squad isnt exactly perfect. 

Less and less players do Tridolons just for fun and they all scream in the mic or attack in chat anyone that F*up.

like any little mistake determinantes if someone will live or die (in real life). 

its so sad. 

[Vortuna]

If Profit Taker or Exploiter orb provided focus shards like eidolons did, we could've just left the tridolon hell as it is.

[(PSN)ImTheOx]

2 minutes ago, mikakor said:

"Elitist arrogance" Lol, what a #*!%load of crap.

You go in pub, you deal with it. People want to be the most efficient. Limbo is NOT one of the most efficient frames for tricap, end of the line. If you're too salty to even try to change, boo #*!%ing hoo, too bad.

 

Sadly, something that would help towards this is not having a bloody timegate on eidolons. But DE still needs to admit and change it. Then, people would be less toxic. They are toxic because a boss is gated behind a IRL condition. Being available at certain hours. So they get toxic when someone who won't bring the maximum he can to the team enter.

In this context, you are the said person, because there is frames way more useful to a fight than Limbo. It's your sad reality, deal with it. I would like Limbo meta, but he's not. Adapt, or crash.

Read my other posts. 

i was giving Limbo as an example. 

[Aldain]

1 minute ago, (PS4)ImTheOx said:

Less and less players do Tridolons just for fun and they all scream in the mic or attack in chat anyone that F*up.

And that's why I turned voice chat off. I automatically assume that every random player I run into is just an a-hole waiting to happen.

Voice chat with randoms has almost always backfired on me in any game I've played, not taking that chance anymore.

[-CdG-Zilchy]

3 minutes ago, (PS4)ImTheOx said:

Ah my clan is not all that active. 

Im a warlord in a clan of like 10folks and no one plays. 

the rest are only random newbies that i invited so they can get weapon blueprints. Besides i told you, i like random folks. but most randoms just leave seasons if the squad isnt exactly perfect. 

Less and less players do Tridolons just for fun and they all scream in the mic or attack in chat anyone that F*up.

like any little mistake determinantes if someone will live or die (in real life). 

its so sad. 

RiP

[kotex073]

tbf, i met so many troll Limbo's i leave whatever mission i 'm in, not just eidolons.

[mikakor]

3 minutes ago, (PS4)ImTheOx said:

Read my other posts. 

i was giving Limbo as an example. 

Then you have all my excuses for my misunderstanding

[(PSN)ImTheOx]

5 minutes ago, kotex073 said:

tbf, i met so many troll Limbo's i leave whatever mission i 'm in, not just eidolons.

i know, i freaking love Limbo. 

Yet there are so many high ranking players that piss me off with him, thats why i always start giving them tips in chat on how to use him. 

In a nice way ofcourse. Some still get angry though 🙄

 

As a Limbo player you need to have Empathy, you need to not only understand Limbo, but how Limbo works with other frames/Weapons/Mission objectives. 

 

and when mastered is such a nice frame, especialy if you are a complication loving persone like me. 

 

Wait, arent we all playing Warframe becouse its complicated AF?? 

Edited April 21, 2019 by (PS4)ImTheOx

[kotex073]

1 minute ago, (PS4)ImTheOx said:

i know, i freaking love Limbo. 

Yet there are so many high ranking players that piss me off with him, thats why i always start giving them tips on chat on how to use him. 

In a nice way ofcourse. Some get angry though 🙄

 

As a Limbo player you need to have Empathy, you need to not only understand Limbo, but how Limbo works with other frames/Weapons/Mission objectives. 

 

and when mastered is such a nice frame, especialy if you are a complication loving persone like me. 

 

Wait, arent we all playing Warframe becouse its complicated AF?? 

I don't feel that warframe is complicated at all, but i get your point.

[(XBOX)Nightingale589]

1 hour ago, (XB1)Cubic Clem said:

No!

Savage

[(XBOX)The Neko Otaku]

28 minutes ago, (PS4)ImTheOx said:

its not their fault. 

But its in their power to change things. 

if they dont Tridolon captures will continue to lose players due to Elitist arrogance. 

Eidolon hunts have the most toxic players in the game right now. 

Well not counting the Riven trading. 

But change too much and eidolons become too easy and people complain that one of the few end gameish activities is no longer endgame

[(PSN)ImTheOx]

1 minute ago, (XB1)The Neko Otaku said:

But change too much and eidolons become too easy and people complain that one of the few end gameish activities is no longer endgame

no no, dont make it easy, but allow other frames powers to also have an impact on Eidolons. 

if you want easy, just go with a Meta squad. 

Edited April 21, 2019 by (PS4)ImTheOx

[Aldain]

Just now, (XB1)The Neko Otaku said:

But change too much and eidolons become too easy and people complain that one of the few end gameish activities is no longer endgame

It is already too easy for the people who do 5x3s.

The initial design might not have intended for more than a 2x3, at most, but the players destroyed the "difficulty" by doing god-knows how many in one night.

[(PSN)Ryfore2]

I solo Tridolon sets in 35ish minutes as Trinity so you can use whatever you want your team just doesn't want to carry you so figure out soloing your way and carry 3 even worse frames through

[(PSN)ImTheOx]

7 minutes ago, Aldain said:

It is already too easy for the people who do 5x3s.

The initial design might not have intended for more than a 2x3, at most, but the players destroyed the "difficulty" by doing god-knows how many in one night.

and remember DE allready nurfed Chroma becouse of Eidolon hunts. 

So i rather see they implement other frames powers effects on Eidolons.