Nez-Kal Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Before I make the multi-hundred plat trade to acquire the additional 8 I need for a full Rank 3 Arcane Energize, I thought it wise to pose the question to DE themselves, "Hey! Is this stupidly powerful and rare Arcane working as it was intended, or is this another "Condition Overload" case?" My fear comes from the fact that, on the tin, Arcane Energize claims to "On Energy Pick-up: 40% chance to replenish Energy to nearby allies (+1 Arcane Revive)" HOWEVER, this Arcane provides another bonus (which is the stupidly powerful part) which is that, if proc'd, it provides the user with 100 energy on an energy orb pick-up, instead of the default 25. This has been the main reason the Player Community pines for and praises this Arcane, making it a staple item in many High Energy Usage Warframe builds that would not be able to sustain themselves otherwise. This has been the case for as long as its been around, roughly 4 years now, so many Players feel it's "Safe" and that there's no question about whether or not it's correctly following its intended purpose. Counter-point however: Condition Overload was in the game for roughly 3 and a half years, and according to DE, it was never working as intended, and yet was never mentioned nor touched until that faithful day of the Melee 3.0 update. So, before anymore "Damage" is done, and anyone else puts forth investment in this clearly powerful item that does NOT spell out its true power there on the can and in-game, I ask the question once more: DE, is Arcane Energize "Working as Intended"? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachnyn Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Turns out you are infact your own ally. Yes it's working as intended, no that doesnt mean you are safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nez-Kal Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, Drachnyn said: Yes it's working as intended, no that doesnt mean you are safe. I need DE staff to confirm this first before I accept it. Here and now, or a link to a previous quote where they stated as such would work too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echoes Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I'm not DE, but I think the arcane is working as intended, the proc creates an AOE of energy replenishment, which may be taken as that current desciption, but is not the full description of the proc itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shonaney Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I guess ... the names of stuff are save, but their values or behavior could always change if DE focus at a rework...like CO changed with the melee rework, Energize could change with a rework of the whole energy system ... and we (and may also DE) never know when such stuff will happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyDinosaur Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Yea I'm sure DE will get right on this. You'll have your answer in no time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Erudite Prime Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Everything is working as intended until DE decides they don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nez-Kal Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, SpicyDinosaur said: Yea I'm sure DE will get right on this. You'll have your answer in no time. I accept your sarcasm, and understand I wholeheartedly deserve it. Still, doing what I can to seek some kind of stability to my investments before diving into them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachnyn Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Gerade eben schrieb Tangent-Valley: I accept your sarcasm, and understand I wholeheartedly deserve it. Still, doing what I can to seek some kind of stability to my investments before diving into them. While energize certainly is very powerful it is also extremely overrated. Save your plat for something else like deluxe bundles, slots or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcatraz Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Tangent-Valley said: I need DE staff to confirm this first before I accept it. Here and now, or a link to a previous quote where they stated as such would work too. You don't need them to confirm anything. I can confirm it for you right now. Arcane Energize was made to give a YOU and any of your squad in range, ENERGY by a chance percentage. I am telling you right now that this is how the arcane has been for 3 or more years. First introduced in Jordas Verdict, the infested version of Law of Retribution. Check them out on the wiki Arcane Pulse which gives health on health pickup, gives it to the user as well. You can stop here, as my word on this Arcane is just as good as you'd get from DE. Edited January 1, 2020 by Alcatraz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shonaney Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 just ask yourself the question, is the investment worth it, even if i only have some months to enjoy it? (like paying 5k for rivens that get downed all the time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Erudite Prime Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tangent-Valley said: I accept your sarcasm, and understand I wholeheartedly deserve it. Still, doing what I can to seek some kind of stability to my investments before diving into them. DE has taught us many times that there is no stability, ever. No matter how long it's been around, anything can get nerfed to oblivion or outright removed from the game at any time. That being said, Arcane Energize has been a part of the game since 2015, and DE hasn't touched it or made any comment about it at all, so it's probably safe. Edited January 1, 2020 by (XB1)Erudite Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ailith Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Tangent-Valley said: My fear comes from the fact that, on the tin, Arcane Energize claims to "On Energy Pick-up: 40% chance to replenish Energy to nearby allies (+1 Arcane Revive)" HOWEVER, this Arcane provides another bonus (which is the stupidly powerful part) which is that, if proc'd, it provides the user with 100 energy on an energy orb pick-up, instead of the default 25. Simple solution is to check the wiki page: https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Arcane_Energize At rank 1, Energize provides a 10% chance for 25 extra energy. At max rank, it provides a 40% chance for 100 extra energy. Obviously, any item is subject to nerfs if DE thinks it's too strong, but it is quite literally "working as intended". If anything, I'd expect nerfs to synergies with Zenurik's bonus energy passive and/or double-stacking arcanes somewhere down the road, but I don't work at DE, so don't quote me on that. I personally think paying thousands or even hundreds of plat for items like this is absurd to begin with, so I'd rather slowly acquire them via Nightwave. Edited January 1, 2020 by Ailith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcatraz Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, Tangent-Valley said: So, before anymore "Damage" is done, and anyone else puts forth investment in this clearly powerful item that does NOT spell out its true power there on the can and in-game, I ask the question once more: Speaking of investment: This is actually cheap for what this Arcane used to run for. 500 Plat, each piece. 5k for a whole set back when it was on the commonly nicked named Trials: "Raids." https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Arcane_Energize https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Arcane_Pulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespilan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 vor 13 Minuten schrieb Drachnyn: While energize certainly is very powerful it is also extremely overrated. Save your plat for something else like deluxe bundles, slots or something. It is actually not that overrated, though there are cheaper ways to get energy. I would, personally, always choose something functional over something cosmetic. I own a R3 Energize and it is the singlemost best investment I have ever made. Even on energy-hungry builds, I am constantly topped up when used in conjunction with Dethcubes energy generator. If Ember is used with the augment on her 4, efficiency can become a dump-stat, thanks to energize. A cheaper way to gain energy is, of course, Zenurik's energizing dash OR exodia brave. I recommend using a full-on crit dagger-type zaw to spam heavy attacks. Covert lethality adds a base combo counter as of the recent reworks too. Build properly, this reliably one-hits enemies up to Lv. 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachnyn Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 vor 1 Minute schrieb Vespilan: It is actually not that overrated, though there are cheaper ways to get energy. I would, personally, always choose something functional over something cosmetic. I own a R3 Energize and it is the singlemost best investment I have ever made. Even on energy-hungry builds, I am constantly topped up when used in conjunction with Dethcubes energy generator. If Ember is used with the augment on her 4, efficiency can become a dump-stat, thanks to energize. A cheaper way to gain energy is, of course, Zenurik's energizing dash OR exodia brave. I recommend using a full-on crit dagger-type zaw to spam heavy attacks. Covert lethality adds a base combo counter as of the recent reworks too. Build properly, this reliably one-hits enemies up to Lv. 100. Oh yea it is powerful but I dont think it's worth the price when there are so many cheaper energy options that accomplish extremely fast energy regen. Zaw heavy attacks might be my favorite one out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespilan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) vor 7 Minuten schrieb Drachnyn: but I dont think it's worth the price Warframe trading is long past the point of charging what something is worth. I saw people trying to sell +cc +cd +ms Rubico rivens for 14.000 platinum. Sure, the pricing is ridicolous, but not as bad as it has been once. Arcanes are given out through nightwave, they're much easier to obtain (15 arcanes in 30mins if you got the technique) and yet still expensive as balls. But unlike rivens, they're not multiple layers of rng but something you have to work for and become proficient in. Edited January 1, 2020 by Vespilan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachnyn Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 vor 5 Minuten schrieb Vespilan: Warframe trading is long past the point of charging what something is worth. I saw people trying to sell +cc +cd +ms Rubico rivens for 14.000 platinum. Sure, the pricing is ridicolous, but not as bad as it has been once. Arcanes are given out through nightwave, they're much easier to obtain (15 arcanes in 30mins if you got the technique) and yet still expensive as balls. But unlike rivens, they're not multiple layers of rng but something you have to work for and become proficient in. Oh yea I definitely like arcanes far more than rivens. Currently I have a rank 1 energize and it already does a lot of work if I decide to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpicyDinosaur Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I ground this up myself from Eidolons because I never got it in raids. Have had it for awhile and it's been available on a much more common level since raids when you only had three chances at it in a day. I don't think it will change so that's the best answer I can give from my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeWurrum Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Tangent-Valley said: yet was never mentioned nor touched until that faithful day of the Melee 3.0 update. I think it was mentioned some, honestly, but you'd have to religiously follow the devs to really have noticed. But worth noting: nothing in this game is "safe" If it's powerful enough to be considered brokenly OP, it could one day be nerfed. Condition Overload was brokenly OP due to exponential scaling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synpai Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Avid forum warrior and warframe partner. Nothing is safe, anything can change. So take that into consideration before you make any purchase. That's the actual answer. It's the exact same with "ribbens" 50 minutes ago, Ailith said: I personally think paying thousands or even hundreds of plat for items like this is absurd to begin with, so I'd rather slowly acquire them via Nightwave. ^this is my take. If you feel like it's not worth the investment even if it could change, then don't do it. If you're gonna enjoy the ride even though it could change some year down the road, then don't. REALLY not the answer you wanted, but it's the only 100% answer that anyone who has played long enough can tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8faiNt Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Drachnyn said: While energize certainly is very powerful it is also extremely overrated. Save your plat for something else like deluxe bundles, slots or something. I think this is the worse investment suggestion I ve ever heard of +Energize: a very useful energy maker + extra revive/s +Deluxe bundles: pure cosmetic, has no effect in games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachnyn Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 vor 1 Minute schrieb 8faiNt: I think this is the worse investment suggestion I ve ever heard of +Energize: a very useful energy maker + extra revive/s +Deluxe bundles: pure cosmetic, has no effect in games Imagine having bad fashion and spending way too much plat on energy when there are far cheaper options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8faiNt Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Drachnyn said: Imagine having bad fashion and spending way too much plat on energy when there are far cheaper options. Cheaper yet not as useful as energize. yes bad advice is bad advice. Edited January 2, 2020 by 8faiNt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachnyn Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 vor 1 Minute schrieb 8faiNt: bad advice is bad advice. Only if you dont care about how you look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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