Sabrewolfe Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) All her abilities are terrible ... honestly ... such a good concept but the execution is so pitiful ... I wanted to pair my Dex Sybaris with the Mesa I created long ago and I was about to wipe off the dust gathering on her but then I realised she is a pathetic excuse for everything and anything. Edited March 23, 2016 by Sabrewolfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0V3REiGN Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I don't very much like where she is right now but saying she is garbage doesn't really help in giving any useful feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrewolfe Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 minute ago, S0V3REiGN said: I don't very much like where she is right now but saying she is garbage doesn't really help in giving any useful feedback. The useful feedback has already been given and regurgitated a thousand times by many different people on the forums, the subreddit, the wiki, even steam discussion forums .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misgenesis Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Shooting Gallery and Shatter Shield are some of the better abilities in the game. Ballistic Battery and Peacemaker do their job well enough. Shes far from garbage but needs tweaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrewolfe Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Misgenesis said: Shooting Gallery and Shatter Shield are some of the better abilities in the game. Ballistic Battery and Peacemaker do their job well enough. Shes far from garbage but needs tweaks. Shatter Shield only serves well in low-level missions. 95% damage reduction is nothing at high levels, you'll still get one-shotted. Shooting gallery is also unreliable. Edited March 23, 2016 by Sabrewolfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venomzz0 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Shatter Shield is amazing on any non-infested mission, and even then a positive range Shooting Gallery makes up for that by stunning melee based enemies as well, I agree her 1st is pretty bad, and if Peacemaker scaled off of secondary mods it would be godlike, but its still pretty good for clearing trash at high levels. Shes far from garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venomzz0 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Sabrewolfe said: Shatter Shield only serves well in low-level missions. 95% damage reduction is nothing at high levels, you'll still get one-shotted. Sorry for double post, but you will not, I can easily stand infront of 10 level 85 heavy gunners and be fine for a loooong time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misgenesis Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Just now, Sabrewolfe said: Shatter Shield only serves well in low-level missions. 95% damage reduction is nothing at high levels, you'll still get one-shotted. Works well into third sortie levels. Life Strike/WoP Furis to help with health loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnulast Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) I play mesa, but I prefer zephyr or valkyr because of speed. The only reason why I don't use her most of the time, is because she is similar to excailbur the most, since well, 3/4 of the abilties have the same function. Edited March 23, 2016 by Magnulast Added more things.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Clockwork_Kaiju Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 She is my muse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genitive Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, Sabrewolfe said: 95% damage reduction is nothing at high levels, you'll still get one-shotted. That's the problem with scaling, not frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AM-Bunny Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Mesa's really good. She's not perfect, but certainly not in as bad a place as people seem to think she is. On the list of Warframes that need attention, I don't think she's even close to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Clockwork-Crow Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 If you won't play a frame for the utility or powers it has, then do it for the style. Unleash your inner Warframe fashionista! Mesa + Telos Akbolto + Salix Syandana = Endgame Mesa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth-Buldge Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Need a mesa? I go mesa alot Add me at Fluttershy750 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillbrookWest Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 For me, she kinda has a bad damage to energy cost ratio. Trying to improve one or the other ends up rendering her kinda weak. She needs a balance pass, coz she was really undone by the efficiency/continuity tweak. So i wouldn't say she's pathetic, you just have to know the limitations of the build you build for her currently (for me, i can't keep her energy usage under control). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemza Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 haven't seen any mesa since the rework either and i didn't even tried it since O: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)C0gnitive 0n3 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Come to think of it, I haven't seen her in any PUG's, either. Personally, I haven't used her since they reworked her... ...then again, and I feel terrible for this, I haven't used Valkyr nor Chroma since U18 hit consoles. WHAT.AM.I.DOING!?!?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Ballistic Battery is underwhelming and Peacemaker is annoying. Peacemaker is still a strong ability though, as are her other two. I personally never see Nova. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekroArts Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) There are 41 frames (including primes), there will be times when you hardly see a certain frame. Shooting Gallery and Shatter Shield are good abilities, use them together and she'll survive in high levels. Edited March 23, 2016 by NekroArts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I almost never see Banshee or Nekros these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 i play her weirdly but it works. personally she needs a rework on 4rth to make her fair well i hope for a run and gun peace maker ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemmo67 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 all her skills are just fine except for immobile pacemaker make u able to move atleast slowly but any movement would be good. ivara slow movement when she is invisible perhaps? and make pacemaker scale off pistol mods aaaaand give shatter sheild half the dmg reduction it gives to ranged dmg. if ur's is 90% u reduce incoming melee dmg by 45% that's all goodnight ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Rebecca Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) Just a few quick conversational remarks about Mesa, particularly Peacemaker. 41 minutes ago, Venomzz0 said: Shatter Shield is amazing on any non-infested mission, and even then a positive range Shooting Gallery makes up for that by stunning melee based enemies as well, I agree her 1st is pretty bad, and if Peacemaker scaled off of secondary mods it would be godlike, but its still pretty good for clearing trash at high levels. Shes far from garbage. As Venomzz0 was points out 'and if Peacemaker scaled off of secondary mods it would be godlike'. I was recently discussing the fact that almost all other Warframe-unique weapon abilities (Exalted Blade, Hysteria, Artemis) scale with underlying weapon-type mods, and now we are prototyping Peacemaker to scale with Secondary Weapon Mods to possibly join the club. So stay tuned if this is a prototype that interests you! Edit: Also cleaning up this thread a bit. A reminder that constructive remarks are best, and a thank you to those in the thread that worked to salvage constructive discourse. Edited March 23, 2016 by DERebecca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareT12 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 minute ago, DERebecca said: Just a few quick conversational remarks about Mesa, particularly Peacemaker. As Venomzz0 was points out 'and if Peacemaker scaled off of secondary mods it would be godlike'. I was recently discussing the fact that almost all other Warframe-unique weapon abilities (Exalted Blade, Hysteria, Artemis) scale with underlying weapon-type mods, and now we are prototyping Peacemaker to scale with Secondary Weapon Mods to possibly join the club. So stay tuned if this is a prototype that interests you! No chance for Peacemaker to work like Artemis Bow or Exalted Blade I understand right? I think most people would like it if Mesa started to feel a bit more like those concepts -- especially since she already had in-built weapons in her design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auramaru Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DERebecca said: Just a few quick conversational remarks about Mesa, particularly Peacemaker. As Venomzz0 was points out 'and if Peacemaker scaled off of secondary mods it would be godlike'. I was recently discussing the fact that almost all other Warframe-unique weapon abilities (Exalted Blade, Hysteria, Artemis) scale with underlying weapon-type mods, and now we are prototyping Peacemaker to scale with Secondary Weapon Mods to possibly join the club. So stay tuned if this is a prototype that interests you! Why don't all warframes scale like this? warframes like vauban, limbo, zephyr, etc... They are so lackluster compared to these "divine weapon" warframes EDIT: understandably, if divine weapons were the only ult spread across all warframes, it'd be a bland game, but it can't be that hard to design a concept for individual warframes to have more engaging ult-play. example: chroma has a sentry turret as his ult which drains energy faster than World on Fire... No engagement and even less effective. Edited March 23, 2016 by Aura Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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