Etherdrop Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 So I've been reading around the threads and I'm a little curious as to how things get vaulted. From what I understand it's a matter of old content being "vaulted" so that new content can have space for the void rng. As I kept reading it seems to me that everyone thinks that Loki is next to be vaulted, but from the way everyone sells Loki pretty cheap so yeah... Do you guys really think they'll vault an 80 - 120 plat warframe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Akuma_Asura_ Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonspartan1 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Just now, (PS4)Akuma_Asura_ said: Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyranem Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Historically they vault it based off the order in which they are added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genitive Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Primes are being vaulted in the order they were released, and Loki is next. Price has nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorrow-San Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 It's been based off of release date so far, and currently, Loki is the oldest Prime frame not in the vault. (Im pretty sure) On that note, it's supposedly DE's excuse that the "Tower drop tables are too cluttered" so instead of balanceing drops out among all Tower keys & mission types.... Or actually do somthing with Orokin derelict missions. They just remove one update(s) worth of prime things and input a new set of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etherdrop Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 That's pretty intense. So how do things get unvaulted? I mean I know Frost was available for a short time. How exactly does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhrekr Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, Etherdrop said: That's pretty intense. So how do things get unvaulted? I mean I know Frost was available for a short time. How exactly does that work? DE puts out a thread that goes like "Hey guys you can farm Frost or you can buy him in a special time-limited Unvault Access"! Then you either farm him or you buy the Vault Access. Then you have Frost. (Lasts roughly 1 month, happens in the last period of a Prime Access). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schregger Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Loki Prime is 80 -120 plat now. Once vaulted, watch as people triple or quadruple the price. I havent seen a Frost Prime sell for lower than 550 plat. For un-vaulting, I think thats just a thing they do for... reasons??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 26 minutes ago, Schregger said: For un-vaulting, I think thats just a thing they do for... reasons??? It's so they can sell you Vault Access packs for 60 bucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lord_Gremlin Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, TARINunit9 said: It's so they can sell you Vault Access packs for 60 bucks This. And also to make sure people trade Vaulted items for 200-500p which drives platinum sales. Lies about droptable clutters is actually kinda rude at this point. Derelict has droptable for survival and defense only. For example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratego89 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 You don't seem to understand the point of vaulting a frame... OP. They don't care what people buy/sell for on the free market. To try to control that would be foolish of them and would only backlash. It's a stable community-made economy that works perfectly fine, there's no need to touch it. DE puts frames in the vault to make room for the next new frame... they vault them in order of release. Nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratego89 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sorrow-San said: On that note, it's supposedly DE's excuse that the "Tower drop tables are too cluttered" so instead of balanceing drops out among all Tower keys & mission types.... Or actually do somthing with Orokin derelict missions. They just remove one update(s) worth of prime things and input a new set of them. That is their excuse- and it works. Why? Because Starchart 3.0 (they actually showed a new WIP on steve's twitter recently) is going to change how the void works entirely and rebalance everything so it's not a complete mess and the clutter on drop tables will not be an issue anymore. That's part of the reason it's taking so long to finish. Right now they are just doing this until SC 3.0 is completed. After that we won't see any more prime vaulting (most likely). TL;DR why bother rebalancing all the drops that are going to change in function anyways in an update coming SoonTM? Edited March 27, 2016 by Stratego89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-_GrayFox_- Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Well OP, like Schregger said, 47 minutes ago, Schregger said: Loki Prime is 80 -120 plat now. Once vaulted, watch as people triple or quadruple the price. I havent seen a Frost Prime sell for lower than 550 plat. For un-vaulting, I think thats just a thing they do for... reasons??? The price is gonna shoot up. So I recommend to you, to farm it's parts and then sell them off high later! :) It's what I'm gonna do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 why are we all worried about Loki getting Vaulted? Starchart 3.0 is supposed to fix the problem (hopefully). I'd still get the parts just in case, but I thought the Vault was going to be removed and all the primes set in places in the new Void. if I'm wrong, then correct me, because I hate knowing the wrong information as much as you probably hate reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currilicious Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 So in the new starchart, can we expect the vaulted primes to be dropable again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatose Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Just now, Currilicious said: So in the new starchart, can we expect the vaulted primes to be dropable again? That's the current expectation, yes, but don't count on anything til it's in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyranem Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Yeah, I never really expected DE to keep the vaulting/unvaulting system. Since we're beta they just wanted to rush us through stuff to see if it worked. They aren't really concerned with us grinding it out. I think this is why prime access exists. I highly doubt in the finished game that there's going to be a vault where new players can't get old gear. The devs are smart, we're just impatient mostly :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lord_Gremlin Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 39 minutes ago, Phatose said: That's the current expectation, yes, but don't count on anything til it's in game. Most likely ALL prime parts will be randomly available. So technically everything will be vaulted and unvaulted daily. And then people will complain that mission to get soma prime blueprint haven't appeared for 4 months straight because rng. I'm not liking new star chart. Looks like a downgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)KrakenUnchained Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 So 120p for Loki is cheap to you? when i started playing Warframe, Ember worth was 10p, Mag 20p and Frost 30p.. Im talking about fullsets.. I always got plenty of T4 keys and i was used to sell Ember sys and Frost bps for 10p each, Rhino chassis for credits.. Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorila_Azul Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) Bo Prime came out with Loki Prime, right? Does that mean Bo Prime will be vaulted next too? And on that matter, any clues on what weapon might be unvaulted next? I'd love to see the Glaive Prime coming back. Edited March 28, 2016 by p_ar7hur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorrow-San Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 2 hours ago, p_ar7hur said: Bo Prime came out with Loki Prime, right? Does that mean Bo Prime will be vaulted next too? And on that matter, any clues on what weapon might be unvaulted next? I'd love to see the Glaive Prime coming back. First question: Yes, such has been the case so far. Second Question: Check release dates on the individual primed items... However... It's likely the Mag is unvalted next, along with Boar prime and Dakra prime. However the one after that is Ember and she was released with Glave Prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorila_Azul Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 22 hours ago, Sorrow-San said: Second Question: Check release dates on the individual primed items... However... It's likely the Mag is unvalted next, along with Boar prime and Dakra prime. However the one after that is Ember and she was released with Glave Prime. *shivers with anticipation* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smilomaniac Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Since no one mentioned it, I'll say it: Vaulting things means exclusivity and is a way of "rewarding" older players or making them feel special, by not letting these things be available again. At least for a while anyway. There are a few items you can no longer get which have a unique design or particular significance to a game, an example from World of Warcraft would be the corrupted Ashbringer, which was legitimately hard to get. People who carry a transmog with it are almost certainly veterans of the game who did exceptionally well at that point in the game. It's a ballsy move for any company to make, because people will constantly bicker and moan about it from start to finish and only a very few will actually appreciate it. Whether you agree or not to this method, it's certainly something you don't see it that many games today. The thing I disagree with, however, is being able to sell parts after they've been vaulted or even "unvaulting" primes for that matter. It's a weird way of having your cake and eating it. You'll see some low'ish MR player with his newly gained prime ember or frost and boltor, leveling them alongside some non-crafted market weapon and the only difference between you and them is that they've paid their behind off for what they think is "omg best gear1!1!!". It cheapens the idea massively and should be remedied one way or the other, but that would create a fairly big outburst, which is understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsnforce Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I think it's kinda funny how many folks believe that the whole vaulting old primes thing is anything other than a money grab. It's called "Artificial Scarcity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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