izzatuw Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) http://www.strawpoll.me/10347838 The recent changes have split the community apart pretty well so do you agree or disagree with the nerfs? The first 500 and 1000 votes Edited June 1, 2016 by izzatuw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt.Cuddles Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Mag of course not, Trinity could've been handled better, Mirage just makes sense, so does excal and valkyr to be honest, the only one I feel is suffering here majorly is probably Mag...poor thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyEnneract Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Crush and Polarize really need some love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevrex97 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I agree with the changes even tho they still need to tweek polarise cause what it is ment to do seem to be a bit delayed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoisonHD Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, Lt.Cuddles said: Mag of course not, Trinity could've been handled better, Mirage just makes sense, so does excal and valkyr to be honest, the only one I feel is suffering here majorly is probably Mag...poor thing... Have you even tried out the new Magnetize? It is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRufus7x Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Realistically, the community gets split apart by everything. Remember the Chroma helmet fiasco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YasaiTsume Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Excal and Valkyr : Yes for sure Mirage : Half no. She needed a nerf, but LoS mechanics in this game is wonky and she got gutted good. Trinity : Debatable. She needs that DR ready in raids and adding more conditions to it might affect some playstyles. Mag : Yes. DE just did a Saryn on her to make her scale better. A frame need not 1 shot a Level 100 to be viable. People need to get that straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzatuw Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, Lt.Cuddles said: Mag of course not, Trinity could've been handled better, Mirage just makes sense, so does excal and valkyr to be honest, the only one I feel is suffering here majorly is probably Mag...poor thing... I feel like Mag dilemma is Saryn all over again so I'm personally holding all opinions on her change for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YasaiTsume Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Just now, izzatuw said: I feel like Mag dilemma is Saryn all over again so I'm personally holding all opinions on her change for a while. Which was not a problem for adaptable players. Some people just refuse to change their playstyle and they rightfully suffer for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-BM-Mitz Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, PoisonHD said: Have you even tried out the new Magnetize? It is amazing. But at what cost? Polarize's effect being switched to fixed number rather than % based kills a lot of scaling potential for wide area debuffing. Magnetize is awesome yes, but was it worth? I personally am expecting some minute changes in the next few updates till everything balances out properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoisonHD Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Just now, Major_Phantom said: But at what cost? Polarize's effect being switched to fixed number rather than % based kills a lot of scaling potential for wide area debuffing. Magnetize is awesome yes, but was it worth? I personally am expecting some minute changes in the next few updates till everything balances out properly. Personally I think it was worth it. But, lots of people don't hold that opinion. I agree with you on the last part though, I am expecting minute changes over a period of time, that will completely balance her out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract7777 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I agree with the nerfs with the understanding that DE is planning to also nerf our enemies, nerf random sortie conditions that don't make sense and nerf unforgiving conditions in raids that induce rage, exclude non experienced players and frustrate everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xekrin Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, izzatuw said: I feel like Mag dilemma is Saryn all over again so I'm personally holding all opinions on her change for a while. Great idea, I wish it was shared by more people. 7 minutes ago, PoisonHD said: Have you even tried out the new Magnetize? It is amazing. I haven't played with it much yet, I never potatoed vanilla mag and mag prime is (finally) building, having broke down and bought the last two parts I needed. But overall, despite synergizing what sounds to be fairly well, polarize on its own, and crush for that matter, are being treated like they aren't all that amazing by themselves without magnetize to give them that oomph. I feel like this is what is causing most of the complaints. Well that and most mag players are just so used to pressing 3 and done, but some of more the detailed feedback makes the last two abilities out to be a bit lighter than they could be. Of course it is still only two days after the rework went live and a weekend at that, I wish some people would just give it a bit of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser_Suoh Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 No, no more words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanescent Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 17 minutes ago, xRufus7x said: Realistically, the community gets split apart by everything. Remember the Chroma helmet fiasco? Haha! Truer words have never been spoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawr1254 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) 27 minutes ago, PoisonHD said: Have you even tried out the new Magnetize? It is amazing. Wiping the entire team, sporadic damage in the bubble instead of dmg to everything inside like before, sometimes dealing dmg, sometimes not dealing dmg, sometimes exploding early, sometimes exploding late, explosions dealing no dmg, etc, etc. And as for OP I feel the only thing changed that was 100% needed was Prism. Everything else is also needed but was executed poorly. And as for the reworks, Volt is just...smh...Mag needs some touch ups(kinda like Saryn did, still waiting btw) and she'll be great. Edited May 30, 2016 by rawr1254 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoisonHD Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, rawr1254 said: Wiping the entire team, sporadic damage in the bubble instead of dmg to everything inside like before, sometimes dealing dmg, sometimes not dealing dmg, sometimes exploding early, sometimes exploding late, explosions dealing no dmg, etc, etc. Have actually never experienced that. I must be lucky or something.... Edited May 30, 2016 by PoisonHD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEternalJester Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) Some were definitely justified (Trin global Range, EB infinite punchthrough, Prism ignoring walls), some were questionable (Radial Blind for EB costing energy, Volt Discharge damage cap, Mag's abilities) and rest were welcome changes. Edited May 30, 2016 by TheEternalJester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawr1254 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PoisonHD said: Have actually never experienced that. I must be lucky or something.... Cast magnetize with a high lvl enemy, kill the enemy, stand in the center, let another high lvl enemy outside of the bubble shoot inside of it, watch the "amazing" happen. Edited May 30, 2016 by rawr1254 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoisonHD Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, rawr1254 said: Cast magnetize with a high lvl enemy, kill the enemy, stand in the center, let an enemy outside of the bubble shoot inside of it, watch the "amazing" happen. Of course you would die.... Its not like bullet attractor (Or whatever it was called) where it makes the enemy bullets that pass through that area, exclusively hit that certain enemy. Magnetize attracts bullets to the area around the target, in addition to the enemy it is cast on, not just the singular target, hence the reason he bubble stays around the dead enemy and attracts bullets that kill you.... It's not that hard to understand.... Edited May 30, 2016 by PoisonHD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sennera Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, PoisonHD said: Of course you would die.... Its not like bullet attractor (Or whatever it was called) where it makes the enemy bullets that pass through that area, exclusively hit that certain enemy. Magnetize attracts bullets to the area around the target, in addition to the enemy it is cast on, not just the singular target, hence the reason he bubble stays around the dead enemy and attracts bullets that kill you.... It's not that hard to understand.... I think the point rawr is trying to make is that team mates don't realize standing in the bubble is asking to get killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityPrime Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) Ya for the most part I agree. Would still like to see some minor buffs or changes though. Such as: Trin Well of Life: No longer cancels duration when threshhold for max restored hp is reached, no longer buffs enemies to 10x hp (cuz wtf), can recast to levitate multiple targets (for priority target cc). Mirage Eclipse: Changed to use either Equinox's day/night form style of switching modes or Ivara's quiver style. Excal: Weak radial blind on Exalted Blade slide removed and replaced with a more useful attack. Mag Magnetize: Shots flying around inside the bubble don't kill you or your teammates (maybe a glitch?). Valkyrie Ripline: snagging an enemy also snags 2 other nearby enemies (maybe this is more of an alternative augment tho). Edited May 30, 2016 by KnotOfMetal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoisonHD Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Just now, Sennera said: I think the point rawr is trying to make is that team mates don't realize standing in the bubble is asking to get killed. Ah, he should've just said that then lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratego89 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 44 minutes ago, PoisonHD said: Have you even tried out the new Magnetize? It is amazing. It's overpowered- definitely getting nerfed- and is the most annoying thing I've ever seen in the game when you're not the mag. Teammates need to be able to shoot through it. The damage per second inside of it either needs a heavy nerf or removal completely... but ofc that's all just my opinion. @OP I put my vote in the poll but just to mention here, What I said about + shield polarize needs scaling for shield strip and armor strip needs to be a % not a flat value. That's what needs to be different on mag IMO. Otherwise pretty good. Volt has some issues with discharge bugwise but ignoring those it needs scaling damage like scott said it would have. Not enough to nuke stuff but enough to make the CC more consistent since it has a damage cap on it. It wouldn't hurt to have just a bit of damage on the initial wave impact either just to feel like you didn't just seriously waste 100 energy when the enemies aren't close enough to shock each other and no others come along. Trinity's nerf was PERFECT- now we just need something similar for EV. Excalibur's nerf I haven't tested yet but it sounds like it was enough... for now. I still think it needs a proper rework. Valkyr's nerf was pointless. It did absolutely nothing to balance the skill. Invuln needs to go. Mirage needs rework to make up for the nerf to the one "good" thing she had. TL;DR- Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R34LM Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) All is well. Excal needs to ditch the cost to make the spin attack and Trinity's damage reduction needs to be less complicated and not reliant on other players health pools (so the guy who really needs the reduction isn't given the shaft). Otherwise the nerfs are justified and fair. Might be off topic, but Mag's new Polarize needs a second look or more time of testing to see where it fits (less likely). Edited May 30, 2016 by R34LM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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