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 But be mindful, as there will be meaningful consequences to your actions.

This only works in MMOs and RPGs where the player is allowed to have multiple characters. This is all but forbidden where Warframe is concerned.

The consequences will likely be walked back in severity in an update or two post TWW, just like Syndicate Rank Payments were reduced (turned into 1 time pays, regardless of how much flipping you do).

We've seen this before with Syndicates, Focus Schools, and the Gradivus Dilemma.

Don't threaten this DE, it has no teeth.

UNLESS DE wants to start assigning "consequences" to individual Warframes, and treating the Warframes themselves like individual Characters that the real life player can switch between.

 

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20 minutes ago, Brasten said:

This only works in MMOs and RPGs where the player is allowed to have multiple characters. This is all but forbidden where Warframe is concerned.

The consequences will likely be walked back in severity in an update or two post TWW, just like Syndicate Rank Payments were reduced (turned into 1 time pays, regardless of how much flipping you do).

We've seen this before with Syndicates, Focus Schools, and the Gradivus Dilemma.

Don't threaten this DE, it has no teeth.

UNLESS DE wants to start assigning "consequences" to individual Warframes, and treating the Warframes themselves like individual Characters that the real life player can switch between.

 

It could work with quest replay feature.

Also, it's not a threat. Don't take it as some personal attack.

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Maybe, just maybe...

"That which is done out of PLACE always takes LOVE beyond good and evil."

Even if it says what it says, the theme is duality. Tennobet isnt always in its proper place anyway.

Also, I had a spare wrench around, decided to throw it in. So yea, dont take me seriously lol.

 

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10 minutes ago, EmptyDevil said:

It could work with quest replay feature.

Also, it's not a threat. Don't take it as some personal attack.

It would not. A quest replay would not change a "final" outcome done on the first pass. Just like it doesn't change in the Second Dream replay. Every time you play it, you will still only get the dialog for the Focus School you picked initially.

And yes, it is a threat to the player(s) for making a choice. It will damage players access to content, especially if the choice is truly meaningfully. Which for Warframe has two flavors, Lore/Story access or Mechanics (guns, items, mods, etc.) access. As I pointed too DE has tried this before with the Gradivus Dilemma, Syndicates, and Focus Schools. It does not work in a 1 Character per Player system that Warframe is.

RPGs (MMO or stand alone) can get away with this by allowing multiple characters and/or multiple runs/play-through. This is discouraged by Warframes ToS, where multiple accounts made by 1 user are not supposed to interact. The intent is 1 character per player.

  • Gradivus Dilemma: Event weapons for the other side put into Assassins
  • Syndicates: Ranking costs reduced to a 1-time payment
  • Focus: Lenses accessible through Sorties (happily from the very start unlike the others that took)

And all of that done because in the original forms players were cut off from content on their single (with exceptions) Character/Account.

There is no benefit other than manufactured pointless hype to trot out "there will be consequences". If there are actual non-recoverable "consequences" then it was bad design that doesn't work with Warframe, which as been proven time and again over the years. If it can be recovered/reverted than there is no true consequence.

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3 hours ago, Omnijack said:

I don't think we're getting it today. If it was coming out, it'd have come out by now. I'll be back to checking hourly tomorrow.

3 hours ago, Ragingwasabi said:

Nah it wont be out today. Its too late. Theyd release it early in the day so they have time to fix any bugs and S#&$. So im betting tmr morning !

 

The Update is expected to deploy later this week.

 

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1 hour ago, Brasten said:

It would not. A quest replay would not change a "final" outcome done on the first pass. Just like it doesn't change in the Second Dream replay. Every time you play it, you will still only get the dialog for the Focus School you picked initially.

And yes, it is a threat to the player(s) for making a choice. It will damage players access to content, especially if the choice is truly meaningfully. Which for Warframe has two flavors, Lore/Story access or Mechanics (guns, items, mods, etc.) access. As I pointed too DE has tried this before with the Gradivus Dilemma, Syndicates, and Focus Schools. It does not work in a 1 Character per Player system that Warframe is.

RPGs (MMO or stand alone) can get away with this by allowing multiple characters and/or multiple runs/play-through. This is discouraged by Warframes ToS, where multiple accounts made by 1 user are not supposed to interact. The intent is 1 character per player.

  • Gradivus Dilemma: Event weapons for the other side put into Assassins
  • Syndicates: Ranking costs reduced to a 1-time payment
  • Focus: Lenses accessible through Sorties (happily from the very start unlike the others that took)

And all of that done because in the original forms players were cut off from content on their single (with exceptions) Character/Account.

There is no benefit other than manufactured pointless hype to trot out "there will be consequences". If there are actual non-recoverable "consequences" then it was bad design that doesn't work with Warframe, which as been proven time and again over the years. If it can be recovered/reverted than there is no true consequence.

Lore wise I don't think they have the resources to have divergent paths, much like the tubemen event where even though PS4 sided with Nef, nothing changed.

I suspect any choice will relate to a new system but as you point out, like focus, this will have have to be changeable at some point, you cannot expect players with 1000+ hours to be permantly  locked into a decision they may regret, it's a game, not real life.

also, these sorts of choices just encourage spoilers, players looking up the consequences and basing their choices on those consequences rather than the actual choice.

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