Valkyr Prime design lore discussion

[AM-Bunny]

4 minutes ago, Zachles said:

I think it's plausible to believe that the Tenno continue to design and build their own new Warframes. Nova was designed by the Design Council, but she has a Prime, which strikes me as odd... There's a lot of contradicting stuff.

To be fair, Tenno are capable of designing and building new Prime gear. Dakra Prime and Boar Prime explicitly state this in their flavour text.

So Tenno probably did design Nova Prime.

[Hemmo67]

they are too stupid to follow the lore of her

^might be cruel but true

[LordOfScrugging]

19 minutes ago, AM-Bunny said:

However, it's obviously more akin to the tortured form, which as the product of Alad V's experiments.

there are elements of both skins. I think there are those that say she's based off tortured valkyr due to the bonds and restraints on her arms. other than that, it looks like gersemi in the torso region. 

[(PSN)T0katax]

They should have reskinned/named her powers, thats all:

1) A chain to choose the slain and drag em towards her (as, that was what valkyrs did, choosing the ones to be slain in battle)

2) A magnificent flash of divine light to paralyze her enemys

3) A inspiring warcry let out by a holy battlemaiden to uplift the efforts of her allies

4) Drawing out a 2-handed (or 2 one handed, since that moveset/range would be closer/identical to her claws-version) sword and enter a rightous rage, defieing dead until her enemys lie in the dust bevore her.

 

Do that and we have everything: Her original form, forged after the valkyrs, and her tortured, twisted form, still featuring the same abilitys,  but with a manic, dark fury.

[AM-Bunny]

2 minutes ago, LordOfScrugging said:

there are elements of both skins. I think there are those that say she's based off tortured valkyr due to the bonds and restraints on her arms. other than that, it looks like gersemi in the torso region. 

Disagree.

If you look at her back, especially up between her shoulder blades, she has an ornamented version of vanilla's 'flayed back' where it appears to be peeled open.

Her overall body texture is more riveted (not sure what to call it, like muscle tendons) as opposed to Gersemi's smooth sleek texture.

Comparing Valkyr Prime to Gersemi, I see almost literally no similarities, including the torso region. Is there anything specific you were referring to?

[Stonehenge]

23 minutes ago, Raniu said:

I think that what was beyond acceptable for Ballas was that the Corpus were too much into the so called 'profit'.

He exactly says "Those kneeling at the altar of commerce will be returned to the void" xD

It's like the Orokin wanted to make sure that the Corpus respect (or even fear) them.

Or worship them ! Maybe the Emperors were worshiped as gods and saw the cult of profit like an heresy or an apostasy.

Maybe the only thing you had to kneeling at were the Orokins and only them.

Edited November 22, 2016 by Stonehenge

[Stonehenge]

23 minutes ago, NightmareT12 said:

Neither was I.

Oh, nevermind.

[BiancaRoughfin]

58 minutes ago, SpeedOfLightPuncher said:

Nothing much to expect

She will be fighting the corpus with her same old powers

This ↑

She has some paying back to do.

[NightmareT12]

12 minutes ago, BiancaRoughfin said:

This ↑

She has some paying back to do.

I swear if they're not Corpus... I'll just stare at a corner out of desperation.

[Transformau5]

13 minutes ago, BiancaRoughfin said:

She has some paying back to do.

...Valkyr Prime is older than Gersemi, she has nobody to pay back to.

[BiancaRoughfin]

17 minutes ago, Transformau5 said:

...Valkyr Prime is older than Gersemi, she has nobody to pay back to.

Yeah but her None-Prime counterpart was tortured and vivisected by Alad V. So she has to revenge her. :3

[MopUpCrewman]

37 minutes ago, AM-Bunny said:

Disagree.

If you look at her back, especially up between her shoulder blades, she has an ornamented version of vanilla's 'flayed back' where it appears to be peeled open.

Her overall body texture is more riveted (not sure what to call it, like muscle tendons) as opposed to Gersemi's smooth sleek texture.

Comparing Valkyr Prime to Gersemi, I see almost literally no similarities, including the torso region. Is there anything specific you were referring to?

All of that in addition with DE personally mentioning they decided to go with a design similar to the vanilla.

[PoobahTheGrand]

1 hour ago, SpeedOfLightPuncher said:

First

Warframe skins don't give powers

Second 

She has her powers now because of Alad V

Third 

Whatever 

First: Gemeni is not "just" a skin

Second: She was a Warframe before Alad V, and therefore had powers before him, which were slightly altered to show that in the skin

Third: Gave up on giving false information?

 

[Railgun_Alter]

11 minutes ago, Transformau5 said:

...Valkyr Prime is older than Gersemi, she has nobody to pay back to.

Tbh, we don't exactly know whether Primes are older than non-primes or both are actually contemporary to each other.
Non primes might as well have been mass produced units, while Primes were reserved to the elite (?

Disclaimer : Theory should not be taken seriously. Just a thought, after all.

 

There might as well be a whole different reason for Valkyr Prime to have bonds that no one here expects, too.

We just have to wait a couple more hours to the reveal trailer.

[Zythean]

 

5 minutes ago, Railgun_Alter said:

Tbh, we don't exactly know whether Primes are older than non-primes or both are actually contemporary to each other.
Non primes might as well have been mass produced units, while Primes were reserved to the elite (?

Disclaimer : Theory should not be taken seriously. Just a thought, after all.

 

There might as well be a whole different reason for Valkyr Prime to have bonds that no one here expects, too.

We just have to wait a couple more hours to the reveal trailer.

See: https://warframe.com/news/primes-and-prime-access

Quote

Prime Warframes, Weapons and Sentinels are actual pieces of Ancient Orokin technology. These elite intricately gilded items have highly advantageous qualities and feature added polarity slots – allowing you to equip more powerful Mods and saving space in your MOD Capacity.

Non-Prime Warframes, Weapons and Sentinels are based on Orokin technology, however they are not genuine Orokin articles.

So yeah, they are older :-)

Edited November 22, 2016 by Zythean

[Transformau5]

10 minutes ago, BiancaRoughfin said:

Yeah but her None-Prime counterpart was tortured and vivisected by Alad V. So she has to revenge her. :3

Not really, she doesn't have to do anything.

3 minutes ago, Railgun_Alter said:

Tbh, we don't exactly know whether Primes are older than non-primes or both are actually contemporary to each other.
Non primes might as well have been mass produced units, while Primes were reserved to the elite (?

Disclaimer : Theory should not be taken seriously. Just a thought, after all.

 

There might as well be a whole different reason for Valkyr Prime to have bonds that no one here expects, too.

We just have to wait a couple more hours to the reveal trailer.

Of course, though for your theory to be true, we'd need some form of confirmation that indeed, there were some units among the Tenno forces that were deemed elite and equipped with Prime equipment; though for now, the "Prime = older, Orokin; Non-Prime = newer, mass-produced" is more plausible and I'll stick to it until proven wrong.

[BiancaRoughfin]

 

12 minutes ago, Zythean said:

 

See: https://warframe.com/news/primes-and-prime-access

So yeah, they are older :-)

Dont be so sure about that. Lorewise they never were actually built during the Orokin era. Margulis was executed wile working on Trancerence and Warframes. The blueprints we find can very well be her original designs which she never had the chance to build. Im pretty sure the Orokin council wouldnt invest their best resources making such refined Warframes for the Tenno children considering they were viewed as abominations. So the None-Prime warframes we use would be the cheap prototyped models made by the Orokin just to contain us.

[Kazzamo]

Considering Ballas never uses the word "prime" when talking about his designs I'd think to him the primes are the normal. Seems to be a hint at primes being first.

[Zythean]

8 minutes ago, BiancaRoughfin said:

 

Dont be so sure about that. Lorewise they never were actually built during the Orokin era. Margulis was executed wile working on Trancerence and Warframes. The blueprints we find can very well be her original designs which she never had the chance to build. Im pretty sure the Orokin council wouldnt invest their best resources making such refined Warframes for the Tenno children considering they were viewed as abominations. So the None-Prime warframes we use would be the cheap prototyped models made by the Orokin just to contain us.

Hmm, good point. That said, the source I used was from 2 years ago and might not have taken in account the current storyline they developed..

3 minutes ago, Kazzamo said:

Considering Ballas never uses the word "prime" when talking about his designs I'd think to him the primes are the normal. Seems to be a hint at primes being first.

However, like said here: The prototypes might be what we consider 'Prime' now

Edited November 22, 2016 by Zythean

[Misgenesis]

How does it lack resemblance to Gersemi. I just dont see it, looks much more like Gersemi to me. And the 'bonds' are there probably because of artistic reasons.

[Railgun_Alter]

There was a reason why I said it was just a theory, see?

DE has retconned stuff before, and that source is 2 years old. 
It very well may still be valid, but there's a chance that it may no longer apply in the future (?

[(PSN)sew310]

Or just use the gersemi skin on Valkyr prime 

[Chewarette]

Can we please just take a moment to appreciate how much gorgeous Valkyr Prime is, without caring about her lore just a few minutes ?

I played Valkyr a little bit with her regular design because Gersemi is basically a Nyx with a different helmet, her Prime version seems wonderful.

So yeah there are lore issues but... There are lore issues everywhere. If you're so pure, you just have to forget about Valkyr Prime's existence and believe that Gersemi is Valkyr Prime in your mind. We won't blame you for that.

[Birdframe_Prime]

Hmm... the way I see it... The frames we make now are simply using the modern materials to make knock-offs of the original warframes, the Primes, and they copy only most of the function, not always the form.

The Deluxe skins are ways to give more unique and flavourful concepts to the frames to change the way we think of them, thus Nova being based into the hindu-budhist-etc. religious themes, Banshee developing an old vinyl record and speaker set-up, Loki becoming a classic knave, Excal and Nyx showing off their Dark Sector roots, and Valkyr going full bondage-cat on us. And so on and so forth. Think of them as more like some clever Frame enthusiast's way of customising the exterior since the Prime era was lost.

Then there's the theme of the frame itself;

Valkyr has always been the Berserker frame, she doesn't have bonds because Salad V experimented on her, she has them because she's a berserker, and the ones she rips out of the Corpus tech resemble the ones she had before.

Berserkers started off quite vague, the idea that they were warriors who were able to go into a rage-trance where they fought without fear. They were supposed to go bare-chested or without shields, because they only attacked, never retreated or defended themselves. After a while, more theories popped up that the rage-trance meant they couldn't feel pain, and therefore couldn't be killed by their enemies, they fought until they won, or they died from bleed out, but they couldn't be stopped until their life force ran out.

Many people believed that the most powerful berserkers stayed near the berserk state at all times, and many were even supposedly chained down to prevent idle conversation or simple competitive attitudes from setting them off.

So Valkyr, as a berserker, would likely have had 'bonds' for ceremonial reasons during the Orokin era, and the bonds she gets after Salad scrambles her are more as a way to recall her Prime than to show she was captured and tortured.

Thoughts for consumption...

[Stoner]

6 hours ago, (XB1)Knight Raime said:

-snip-

I've stopped quoting you the moment you started calling me and others names. You're not worth my time, goodbye.