(XBOX)SweatyPick3L Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) After seeing this has anyboy's opinion changed about the Lotus and/or Natah? Sentients? Ballas (Orokin) or the Tenno? If so please explain. (I just love Waframe Lore and DE's cinematics) IMO I still think Natah and the Sentients need be exterminated from the Galaxy along with any remnants of the Orokin empire, yes including Teshin Dax. Edited December 19, 2019 by (XB1)SixGunLove Warning Vid is a bit loud, adjust accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaleek Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, (XB1)SixGunLove said: IMO I still think Natah and the Sentients need be exterminated from the Galaxy along with any remnants of the Orokin empire, yes including Teshin Dax. Kill em all. Loot em all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)SweatyPick3L Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 Just now, Skaleek said: Kill em all. Loot em all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahlence Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, (XB1)SixGunLove said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myscho Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) Lotus/Natah is traitor or hell of double/triple agent with own agenda STILL cant deside Edited December 19, 2019 by Myscho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Skippy575 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I think I'm more confused about stuff now. But Erra looks hella neat though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Lotus? Still think she's being controlled or manipulated, and it's not by the Orokin. Erra doesn't help that, particularly when I found out he's named after an old mythological figure, a god of Plague and Mayhem, who's chief roles included breeding political confusion and in-fighting and who's major legend involved him awakening from a long slumber to lead the destruction of humanity. Talk about nominative determinism. Natah's responses being short, brief and often monosyllabic, except when she's 'lapsing' is another indicator. Plus Erra flat-out lies during the Old War Segment. Hunhow is still alive when he says that "I am your only family left." Yeah I don't trust this guy one bit, and his presence only strengthens my suspicions that Lotus is more victim than traitor. To us, I suppose. Even Ballas, who was oh-so-convinced in Chimera, seems much less certain about what to call her. I mean, he does almost slip out a 'Lotus'... first time he's called her that, if memory serves. Speaking of Ballas, he on the other hand has gotten what he deserves, and if nothing else I look forward to extinguishing his Oro. As for the Dax I honestly feel sorry for them. Knowing that shortly after this, the Tenno will turn and slaughter them en-masse, it's apparent they're as powerless as anyone else. (Erra's voice is hella cool as well) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numerikuu Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) Can we all just take a moment to appreciate Erra's little eyebrows? (P.S: Is that Nora?) Edited December 19, 2019 by Numerikuu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)SweatyPick3L Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Numerikuu said: (P.S: Is that Nora?) Mind absolutely blown if it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Numerikuu said: Can we all just take a moment to appreciate Erra's little eyebrows? (P.S: Is that Nora?) Honestly on rewatching, it's possible. Teshin lived this long, this character seems to be partially cybernetic due to Dax 'upgrades' (as Nora seems to be, judging by the light-ups when she talks) and it would certainly be a reason as to why she seems to have such... spotty insider knowledge on the Tenno. She's familiar with an Orokin term for them, is aware we're immune to the infestation, but doesn't seem to have the precise details. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 The cinematic also gives us information on how many Tenno there are...lots and lots of them. Thousands, given the number of pods we see under the moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numerikuu Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) I kinda feel bad for the Sentients to some degree. They're not too much different to the Geth from Mass Effect. Created to do good, creators deemed them too intelligent, attacked first our of fear, then the Geth retaliated out of defence, etc. I do feel there's a hidden third player to all of this though. Edited December 19, 2019 by Numerikuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I love Ballas He is one evil monster... But hey what would that make me? Muhahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, Numerikuu said: I kinda feel bad for the Sentients to some degree. They're not too much different to the Geth from Mass Effect. Created to do good, creators deemed them too intelligent, attacked first our of fear, then the Geth retaliated out of defence, etc. I do feel there's a hidden third player to all of this though. They are Geth with Reaper AI. They are terrifying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)1kSakura Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 How come no one’s talking about the Tennos’ eyes? They’re dark like during the end of The War Within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 It’s also become clear that if this situation gets resolved as “And then the Tenno killed every last Sentient, The End” that will be awful, the last injustice of the Orokin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, (NSW)1kSakura said: How come no one’s talking about the Tennos’ eyes? They’re dark like during the end of The War Within. I figured because Ballas probably built in the ability for Natah to control the Tenno. I think we all assumed this judging by the lore we have currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Also...why do the Sentients have gender identity anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Myscho said: Lotus/Natah is traitor or hell of double/triple agent with own agenda STILL cant deside I starting to lean towards being her own faction, given the whole thing with the deal with Alad V, Amalgams, and how they eliminate each aspect's weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaleek Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said: Also...why do the Sentients have gender identity anyway? Not sure. But they do reproduce, so perhaps not dissimilar to why humans have genders. How do I know they reproduce... let's just say i walked in on lotus one time and.... No really, because Natah lost her ability to procreate when she traveled through the void. Edited December 19, 2019 by Skaleek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Zeo-mare Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Also i never noticed towards the end Lotus does not have a head just a floating face that has nothing but glowing behind it. It looks like it was designed like that and not a glitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said: Also...why do the Sentients have gender identity anyway? It seems they reproduce 'sexually' most likely by a similar process to modern-day neural nets, albeit likely with more control of the outcome, since Lotus appears to have been specifically created for a certain purpose. 53 minutes ago, Midas said: They are Geth with Reaper AI. They are terrifying Reaper AI they wrote in response to the betrayal. Honestly, I do feel sorry for them, but the Tenno went through a similar situation and the conclusion they reached was at least one that was marginally productive. (Not to mention their was likely caused by the Sentients inadvertently) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)SweatyPick3L Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, BornWithTeeth said: The cinematic also gives us information on how many Tenno there are...lots and lots of them. Thousands, given the number of pods we see under the moon. Yes, exactly right. Which makes me wonder, how many Sentients we've slaughtered. That and the way Excalibur P got taken out, not all WFs are equal or OP. Edited December 19, 2019 by (XB1)SixGunLove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)SweatyPick3L Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 hours ago, (NSW)1kSakura said: How come no one’s talking about the Tennos’ eyes? They’re dark like during the end of The War Within. Wonder if the Lotus has command of the "man in the wall"? It appears so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SECURATYYY Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I'm pretty sure Lotus is still on our side after seeing this. She was aware of our presence. Her mind is being tapped into. Anything she can see, anything she can think of, can be read and interpreted by the 'maker' or whatever. Mastermind. She may be playing a role here. If she acts any way other than 'team sentient forever', then mastermind is going to off her. Natah was created as the mimic queen. Her purpose was to invade and be a sneaky sneak. Swallow the pitch eggs from within, and whatnot. She may be on our side, but has to act her role for a bigger purpose. Literally doing what she was designed to do, but against the sentients. The war is coming, Natah knows this more than anyone. She may still be trying to protect us, and this may be the only way to do it. Play the bad guy to gain information or wait for the perfect opportunity to carry out XYZ plan. Mastermind wants us all dead period. Natah had a chance to kill us with the whole scene with Umbra/Ballas. She didn't fire, and if you pay attention to everything she says, there seems to be an underlying message. Could be wrong. However if there's the heart-string tugging, emotional touching, "Mommy I love you" moment - where shes like ""I CHOOSE MAH CHILDREN F YOU MASTERMIND" and joins our side or whatever... called it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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