I am disappointed and frustrated with warframe

[ranks21]

Just now, (NSW)Greybones said:

Where are you getting that number?

look around the game it seems  emptier than the usual even in this cv 19 lockdown aint it? better yet check your clan attendance if you are in one you truly don't need a graph to see the obvious.

[(NSW)Greybones]

Just now, ranks21 said:

look around the game it seems  emptier than the usual even in this cv 19 lockdown aint it? better yet check your clan attendance if you are in one you truly don't need a graph to see the obvious.

So that 50% is based off personal observation? Thought you had actual numbers or something 😕 You were quite confident in using it as a point of argument

The obvious, hm? 🤔 

[xXDeadsinxX]

11 minutes ago, (NSW)Greybones said:

Where are you getting that number? 🤔 

I’m not sure what the number is but it’s pretty obvious a lot of the player base aren’t happy with the recent behaviors of DE. Look at the Forums, Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, and even the Steam Charts, I think that’s pretty telling if you ask me.

[(NSW)Greybones]

Just now, xXDeadsinxX said:

I’m not sure what the number is but it’s pretty obvious a lot of the player base aren’t happy with the recent behaviors of DE. Look at the Forums, Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, and even the Steam Charts, I think that’s pretty telling if you ask me.

I’ve seen the posts and heard the stories, yeah. Personally I think it’s more complex than most would have me believe. I tend to keep my judgement to myself and instead see what others say. Lot of food for thought floating around 👍 And it’s neat seeing the perspectives of others at times

[xXDeadsinxX]

Just now, (NSW)Greybones said:

I’ve seen the posts and heard the stories, yeah. Personally I think it’s more complex than most would have me believe. I tend to keep my judgement to myself and instead see what others say. Lot of food for thought floating around 👍 And it’s neat seeing the perspectives of others at times

Absolutely, it definitely is interesting to see different perspectives.

[(PSN)FriendSharkey]

I don't get it, you'd think the inner kid would win out and awesome would be the rubric for anything added to a PVE game if you were a dev...I really wish they would get rid of Riven stats and change them out for passive bonuses that are fun rather than this constant drama of nerf and buff every few months. I mean who cares if your riven gives you extended radar, or increase your speed, or turns you invisible if you slow walk, but things like that are just inherently fun or useful over damage numbers that foment casino slot handle mechanics and player rage....

Edited April 12, 2020 by (PS4)FriendSharkey

[TehMadness]

Just quit like I have.  The varizin nerf was the last straw for me.  I have been playing for about 2 years and I can put up with a p2w game that's pve but nerfing things that people put time effort and money into is really messed up. 

At this point I think even EA has better business practices .

I will keep checking the forums every now and again in the hope DE starts taking the player base seriously. 

[SneakyErvin]

2 hours ago, xXDeadsinxX said:

I’m not sure what the number is but it’s pretty obvious a lot of the player base aren’t happy with the recent behaviors of DE. Look at the Forums, Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, and even the Steam Charts, I think that’s pretty telling if you ask me.

No, that is the vocal minority. You dont tend to see many of the happy players posting since they are in the game playing while the disgruntled minority multi post across different social media platforms.

And if you look at the numbers on Steam the event is fun enough and not too many have been discouraged by the recent dispo changes.

[condimentking]

Tbh every anger to WF nowadays has started since the game breaking unfinished bugs on newer contents... . But the core game is still good.

My suggestion is just take it ez. It's your life, you can do whatever you want with it.

I'm not the type that i have to defend or attack a game for its content, if the game is still enjoyable to play at, i play nonetheless... .

Unless when it's dead, oc... .

[Sovyul]

2 hours ago, condimentking said:

game breaking unfinished bugs

How would a game breaking finished bug look like?

[xXDeadsinxX]

2 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

No, that is the vocal minority. You dont tend to see many of the happy players posting since they are in the game playing while the disgruntled minority multi post across different social media platforms.

And if you look at the numbers on Steam the event is fun enough and not too many have been discouraged by the recent dispo changes.

Even if it is a small minority of the player base, that doesn’t take way the fact that it’s still a problem regardless. I’d rather have them fix/balance the old systems and such before adding any new content, but that’s just me.

While yes, the numbers are currently doing better than they were back in January if I can recall, that doesn’t tell much though. Players can still be discouraged about the recent event and still play it regardless. Are the majority of players enjoying it? Absolutely, nothing wrong with that, but the event still has its problems just like many things in this game.

[condimentking]

1 hour ago, Sovyul said:

How would a game breaking finished bug look like?

Em, i mean game breaking bug to the point that it has the state of an unfinished game, sorry... . 😂

[ranks21]

steam charts are for all platforms not only pc, plus steam counts all the games in your library even if your not logged into that game the timer still registers as if you were. if you don't believe me, look at the steam hrs and then look at your igh when you are playing<, check your profile.... they are never matched equally.

[Sovyul]

3 hours ago, condimentking said:

Em, i mean game breaking bug to the point that it has the state of an unfinished game, sorry... . 😂

yeah i know what you meant, i was hoping for a joke tbh

anyhow, let's forget this ever happened

[(NSW)Greybones]

4 hours ago, ranks21 said:

steam charts are for all platforms not only pc, plus steam counts all the games in your library even if your not logged into that game the timer still registers as if you were. if you don't believe me, look at the steam hrs and then look at your igh when you are playing<, check your profile.... they are never matched equally.

Huh. Steam tracks my Switch playtime?  🤔 Didn’t think Steam had any way to see it on Switch (could be wrong though)

Edited April 13, 2020 by (NSW)Greybones

[nickelshark]

You can do both. If this game isn't providing you with what you need then find something that will. I understand that it is hard to pull away from a game you've sunk a lot of time and money into and it was for me as well. I felt like I had to justify my spending on this game. But I realized that by doing that it's just consuming more of my time. You can still check in every so often or just watch the dev streams. Or just do what I did and check out completely for almost a year. The only reason why I came back was for the revised update. You owe nothing to this game and there are plenty of other awesome games out there to play.

Edited April 13, 2020 by nickelshark

[Kaotyke]

8 hours ago, (NSW)Greybones said:

Huh. Steam tracks my Switch playtime?  🤔 Didn’t think Steam had any way to see it on Switch (could be wrong though)

It doesn't. You just need to use common sense and ask "Steam having access to data of Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony when it's a PC platform?".

[(NSW)Greybones]

2 minutes ago, Kaotyke said:

It doesn't. You just need to use common sense and ask "Steam having access to data of Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony when it's a PC platform?".

Thanks for the answer, though the jab was unnecessary 🤨. I was hoping @ranks21 could clarify where they were coming from with their information, which is why I asked them

[SneakyErvin]

16 hours ago, xXDeadsinxX said:

Even if it is a small minority of the player base, that doesn’t take way the fact that it’s still a problem regardless. I’d rather have them fix/balance the old systems and such before adding any new content, but that’s just me.

While yes, the numbers are currently doing better than they were back in January if I can recall, that doesn’t tell much though. Players can still be discouraged about the recent event and still play it regardless. Are the majority of players enjoying it? Absolutely, nothing wrong with that, but the event still has its problems just like many things in this game.

Indeed it has problems, but there are also people exaggerating those problems. If it was as bad as the vocal few claims we'd have lich levels of activity for it, where people would just say nope and avoid it. There have even been issues around this event that werent actual issues on the scale people made it out to be, since part of the actual issue was made up of pure player errors that should be near impossible to see happen. People that couldnt follow simple text in a mission log, people that cannot figure out if it is proper for them to go to space or ground. Those people should not be listened to.

2 hours ago, Kaotyke said:

It doesn't. You just need to use common sense and ask "Steam having access to data of Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony when it's a PC platform?".

Heck it doesnt even track the whole PC population or anywhere close to it.

 

[xXDeadsinxX]

25 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

Indeed it has problems, but there are also people exaggerating those problems. If it was as bad as the vocal few claims we'd have lich levels of activity for it, where people would just say nope and avoid it. There have even been issues around this event that werent actual issues on the scale people made it out to be, since part of the actual issue was made up of pure player errors that should be near impossible to see happen. People that couldnt follow simple text in a mission log, people that cannot figure out if it is proper for them to go to space or ground. Those people should not be listened to.

Just for the sake of argument, let‘s say myself and other players are indeed exaggerating about these problems. If we were exaggerating these problems into something big that it’s not, that still doesn’t take away the fact Warframe has its problems for years now and should take top priority. 

No, not all of the problems are substantial enough for players to quit and leave, but they’re still problems however you look at it. As for me, I’d love for them to be fixed and polished instead of them abandoning it for years in a broken state. Wouldn’t you want a better new player experience? Better explained systems and mechanics? Scaling rewards? More in-depth missions? No more separate islands like PoE, Fortuna, and Railjack and rather have them interconnect with the normal game? Better PvP that’s balanced and rewarding? Not sure about you, but these have been problems for years and I’d rather have those take priority instead of new content. 

[Marine027]

vor 3 Minuten schrieb xXDeadsinxX:

Just for the sake of argument, let‘s say myself and other players are indeed exaggerating about these problems. If we were exaggerating these problems into something big that it’s not, that still doesn’t take away the fact Warframe has its problems for years now and should take top priority. 

No, not all of the problems are substantial enough for players to quit and leave, but they’re still problems however you look at it. As for me, I’d love for them to be fixed and polished instead of them abandoning it for years in a broken state. Wouldn’t you want a better new player experience? Better explained systems and mechanics? Scaling rewards? More in-depth missions? No more separate islands like PoE, Fortuna, and Railjack and rather have them interconnect with the normal game? Better PvP that’s balanced and rewarding? Not sure about you, but these have been problems for years and I’d rather have those take priority instead of new content. 

This so much.

On top of one problem might not make you leave, but rather seeing several stack up over the years might make you leave instead.

More the amount then one problem itself.

[SneakyErvin]

2 minutes ago, xXDeadsinxX said:

Just for the sake of argument, let‘s say myself and other players are indeed exaggerating about these problems. If we were exaggerating these problems into something big that it’s not, that still doesn’t take away the fact Warframe has its problems for years now and should take top priority. 

No, not all of the problems are substantial enough for players to quit and leave, but they’re still problems however you look at it. As for me, I’d love for them to be fixed and polished instead of them abandoning it for years in a broken state. Wouldn’t you want a better new player experience? Better explained systems and mechanics? Scaling rewards? More in-depth missions? No more separate islands like PoE, Fortuna, and Railjack and rather have them interconnect with the normal game? Better PvP that’s balanced and rewarding? Not sure about you, but these have been problems for years and I’d rather have those take priority instead of new content. 

I'd like to see parts of those things. I dont mind PoE and Fortuna as islands, they work well that way. Scaling rewards? Depends, I'm not gonna sit through an hour or more in defense for worthwhile rewards. So it depends what you mean by scaling rewards. More in depth missions, sure, that would be cool, but kinda not the priority for the genre or very fitting for a horde shooter. I mean we had more in-depth missions with mechanics, like Exploiter Orb and Ropey, neither were recieved very well since it wasnt mindless shooting. The only thing that could make PvP better would be to remove it and not waste more resources on it since it will never have true dedicated servers nor will it be able to support a decent number of players. It will forver be a small scale arena crapfest, something I just dont touch.

The biggest issue is that people are more interested in straight up S#&amp;&#036;posting and complaining, otherwise we'd see far less reee threads in general and far more constructive posts/threads in feedback. But it is easier to go to general and complain, since then you can complain a second time later down the line about how DE doesnt listen.

[Marine027]

vor 17 Minuten schrieb SneakyErvin:

The biggest issue is that people are more interested in straight up S#&amp;&#036;posting and complaining, otherwise we'd see far less reee threads in general and far more constructive posts/threads in feedback. But it is easier to go to general and complain, since then you can complain a second time later down the line about how DE doesnt listen.

Maybe becasue general feedback often gets ignored and some people are fed up over the years not wanting to be constructive anymore and are simply angry?

Sure only the community is to blame.

[(PSN)CrazyBeaTzu]

23 hours ago, xXDeadsinxX said:

I’m not sure what the number is but it’s pretty obvious a lot of the player base aren’t happy with the recent behaviors of DE. Look at the Forums, Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, and even the Steam Charts, I think that’s pretty telling if you ask me.

Uhm ok...all I see are pictures of people's art and funny memes. Why would people still draw and make all that stuff if everyone was so mad. 

"Ugh this company is basically done with! But let me draw a beautifully detailed picture of Wisp in a sexy pose to show my anger!"

[SneakyErvin]

10 minutes ago, Marine027 said:

Maybe becasue general feedback often gets ignored and some people are fed up over the years not wanting to be constructive anymore and are simply angry?

Sure only the community is to blame.

They are the only to blame since if they want change they dont post in general discussion.

Plenty of ideas that people had for liches got implemented because people went to the feedback forum aswell as specific feedback threads to post their opinions. Same deal with the changes to the loot in RJ, how thermia fractures work nowdays and several changes and additions to arbitrations. Just because every idea isnt implemented it doesnt mean DE isnt listening. People need to accept that their ideas arent automatically better, or in some cases just straight up bad, just as DE needs to realize that not everything that they release is good, like the case of the liches. Which took time to get changed because of some odd pride going on around the project at DE, which is just as silly and bad as players getting upset about their idea not being listened to.