Darkmatt3r Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 the reserch cost of the new weapon is just wrong . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sangiros Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 14 minutes ago, ShogunNoir said: You consider 7000 Oxium EASY? If you don't then I'm guessing you're either undersourced, or your clan doesn't have the habit to organize farming rallies for resources. Do you have a Despoil Nekros, a Swarm Hydroid, or an Ivara? You can easily acquire 7k oxium with any of those. 17 minutes ago, Wolfdoggie said: I have close to 500 Mutigen Samples from consistently playing for years. How do we get 500k for my clan? XD With the whole clan pitching in all those unused Samples. Clan researches are definitely not scaled for a single player to bank in everything. If you do, your clan is severely inactive, search for another one. 35 minutes ago, Prime-Ares said: ...and when exactly do we plan on doing this? Using new and/or Prime equipment as basis for that argument is... Huh. By which I mean, you're definitely not supposed to get them all on a single day. Be a bit more patient! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfdoggie Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, Sangiros said: If you don't then I'm guessing you're either undersourced, or your clan doesn't have the habit to organize farming rallies for resources. Do you have a Despoil Nekros, a Swarm Hydroid, or an Ivara? You can easily acquire 7k oxium with any of those. With the whole clan pitching in all those unused Samples. Clan researches are definitely not scaled for a single player to bank in everything. If you do, your clan is severely inactive, search for another one. Using new and/or Prime equipment as basis for that argument is... Huh. By which I mean, you're definitely not supposed to get them all on a single day. Be a bit more patient! Well if every single person in my Clan actually had around 500 to donate among 749 people it still wouldn't come close to finishing it. ;o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sangiros Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Just now, Wolfdoggie said: Well if every single person in my Clan actually had around 500 to donate among 749 people it still wouldn't come close to finishing it. ;o Sadly, yes, but mutagen samples aren't terribly rare. Matter of fact, any Nekros doing any mission on Eris could definitely supply it like water in a few dozen runs. Though I'm sure that for a 500-limit clan the cost is reduced compared to the rest of Mountains and Moon Clans :x Then again, this inflated cost is pretty much DE's answer to everyone complaining about how the broken-down resources are useless, with Fieldrons, Injectors and Masses being distributed as a whole on Invasion missions. Welp...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mints Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) Grind a crap mission for 20 minutes to have a chance for a Nidus components to drop when the blueprint is a reward from the most broken buggy quest to be released in years. You know, that mission that probably ate 200,000+ of your credits due to forced mission failures and bugs? Hope you didn't expect to get a chance at the part you need every Rotation C though, because you're going to get Stretch mods half the time. Oh and let's not forget the fact that you can get duplicate component pieces. So expect a three hour grind investment MINIMUM for a quest reward Warframe. Great job DE. You have successfully demonstrated that you will say one thing and do another. If this is your idea of reducing the grind then I don't even know what to tell you. Edited December 22, 2016 by Mints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 guys, calm your teats, it's probably a bug. DE seem to have thrown this out before the holidays with the intention of fixing it when they return to the office in the new year. until then, play in moderation, or spend time with your families, that's what the holidays are about after all. that and getting so drunk that Vay Hek looks like he's got Lotus' curves XD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smilomaniac Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 To the people saying "ez farm", you're being ridiculous. By that I don't mean that it's anywhere near impossible to farm these things, but they're so obviously overpriced compared to nearly everything else in the game, that the statement completely falls apart - The "git gud" attitude is little more than bait to infuriate others. As for the Hema, it has to be a bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buff00n Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 14 minutes ago, Smilomaniac said: As for the Hema, it has to be a bug. Prepare your salt: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smilomaniac Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Buff00n said: Prepare your salt: Thanks for the link. No salt from me, I spent some of my hard earned plat on buying the whole pack, so I skipped all the grief. As for my clan mates, sucks to be them and everyone else who has to grind. On the upside, at least you feel like you earned it. It's fairly discouraging to see however. As far as I can tell, it's pretty good and should be sortie worthy as a status weapon. The life-steal on headshots I need to test more, but it seems powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)LeBlingKing Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 It's not the grind that's sad It's the fact that people still believe that DE is trying to reduce it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buff00n Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 11 minutes ago, Smilomaniac said: It's fairly discouraging to see however. It's a worrying trend. The justification is basically that the Hema has a new and unique mechanic and is somehow "worth more effort" to acquire. However, DE has stated that they want to start making more weapons with new and unique mechanics. My take away is that this is only the beginning of a new era in outrageous research/build requirements. I kept my mouth shut with Knux, and Wukong, and Sibear, and Vauban Prime. But Hema represents a several orders of magnitude resource creep, trivializing all other things that need Mutagen Samples or Neurodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smilomaniac Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, Buff00n said: It's a worrying trend. The justification is basically that the Hema has a new and unique mechanic and is somehow "worth more effort" to acquire. However, DE has stated that they want to start making more weapons with new and unique mechanics. My take away is that this is only the beginning of a new era in outrageous research/build requirements. I kept my mouth shut with Knux, and Wukong, and Sibear, and Vauban Prime. But Hema represents a several orders of magnitude resource creep, trivializing all other things that need Mutagen Samples or Neurodes. Well said. Pointless effort, is more like it. I suppose the new salvage mode may drop more of these samples, but there's no quality gameplay or time spent grinding for one rifle. Even the argument of "it's something to do" falls flat on its butt when the requirements are so absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyLagging Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 You didn't think they're going to actually do that didja? I never had faith in that statement. The only real grind reduction was Endo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShikiRen Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 6 hours ago, GodOfRandomnesss said: No goals to reach = no play...at least thats how i game But when 3 years woth of a ressource isn'T enough to pay for a research cost, something sucks major hairy balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madway7 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 10/10 Best April fools day joke ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinc120 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Sangiros said: Sadly, yes, but mutagen samples aren't terribly rare. Matter of fact, any Nekros doing any mission on Eris could definitely supply it like water in a few dozen runs. Though I'm sure that for a 500-limit clan the cost is reduced compared to the rest of Mountains and Moon Clans :x You sure about that? Because my experience over multiple runs on Eris shows that it takes on average a few hundred kills to even get a single drop even with a Nekros. eg: (and that's with my friend playing as Nekros) This is a full run going up to rotation C on the new infested salvage mission. Nearly a thousand kills with a Nekros on my team and we got a total of 3 Mutagen Samples. Other runs we did showed similar results. You're trying to tell me that at this rate, it will only take a few dozen runs to get the 5000 required mutagen samples? Edited December 23, 2016 by vinc120 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firetempest Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Thats just Dev stream talk about things they would like to do... not what they will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vastarov Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 6 hours ago, Greenshockclaw said: Don't forget: the entirety of the relic system, Ivara, atlas, the sibear, limbo, kela 2.0, etc. Except the Sibear, they were all still reasonable grind-walls -fences. 500 mutagen samples from every single clanmate just to start a research... hmm nah, that's a bit over the top :I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METAL_BAWKSES Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Buff00n said: It's a worrying trend. The justification is basically that the Hema has a new and unique mechanic and is somehow "worth more effort" to acquire. However, DE has stated that they want to start making more weapons with new and unique mechanics. My take away is that this is only the beginning of a new era in outrageous research/build requirements. I kept my mouth shut with Knux, and Wukong, and Sibear, and Vauban Prime. But Hema represents a several orders of magnitude resource creep, trivializing all other things that need Mutagen Samples or Neurodes. Can't help but start thinking about the shotgun that was teased a week or so back when I read this. Especially given the fact that the concept art had different types of shells. Could be the next weapon in the new trend of stupidly high research requirements for guns with unique mechanics . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treltheblue Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 holy jesus the grind of items is nothign compared to the grind of sheer @(*()$ boredom and time involved in Nidus. Yeah I want to spend 5 hours playing crappier excavation missions after like 7 games of 3 index rounds in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helljack84 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 We reduced the grind by increasing it by 1031%. I don't think that's how you reduce grind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustSneaky Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Helljack84 said: We reduced the grind by increasing it by 1031%. I don't think that's how you reduce grind. That's superior Chinese math. More mean less- Sun Tzu, The Art of War. Edited December 23, 2016 by JustSneaky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volinus7 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Chicken lord demands it. Keep being no-lifer or shove the money in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Helljack84 said: We reduced the grind by increasing it by 1031%. I don't think that's how you reduce grind. Well DE never intended on reducing the grind. That just simply wasn't true. DE wants to increase the grind because it encourages players to buy plat to bypass the grind. Honestly, it's not the grind that's the issue. It's that it's RNG-based, and that the drop chances are just too low. But you know what? Their strategy worked on me. I don't grind for anything. Either I buy the item, or I just don't get the item at all. Edited December 23, 2016 by AntoineFlemming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)SkyAtreides Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 There is a reason I consider my Vauban Prime a Status Symbol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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