(XBOX)Kuhl MC Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 So I farmed arbitrations to buy the missions just to find out, that they don't have matchmaking... Why? I can see, that maybe DE wants to boost their frame sales that way (time will tell, how the next new frames will be introduced), but for a game, that always had matchmaking for any activity so far, this is a big letdown. Reminds me of Destiny, where you had to look for groups in chat to do the raids, hated this from day 1, now coming to Warframe... I definitely prefer failing several times with an unsuitable crew over not being able to play the mission at all, because it's impossible to solo them, just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvid Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Any mission that requires a key, as a rule, will not have matchmaking. This is what allows Keysharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Kuhl MC Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 Razorbacks and Formorians also have matchmaking, you simply can't join them, if you don't fulfill the requirements, why not handle it the same way here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaKitsune56 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, (XB1)Kuhl MC said: So I farmed arbitrations to buy the missions just to find out, that they don't have matchmaking... Why? I can see, that maybe DE wants to boost their frame sales that way (time will tell, how the next new frames will be introduced), but for a game, that always had matchmaking for any activity so far, this is a big letdown. Reminds me of Destiny, where you had to look for groups in chat to do the raids, hated this from day 1, now coming to Warframe... I definitely prefer failing several times with an unsuitable crew over not being able to play the mission at all, because it's impossible to solo them, just saying. That's the way "Key missions" work. There's no matchmaking because you have to spend a key (Derelict mission or Grendel mission in this case) to access it. Just now, (XB1)Kuhl MC said: Razorbacks and Formorians also have matchmaking, you simply can't join them, if you don't fulfill the requirements, why not handle it the same way here? Because, Razorback Ciphers and Fomorian Disrupters are craftable key items that have to be in your Gear Wheel to use, not like Grendel's keys or the Derelict mission keys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3tallius Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Do other quest missions, like the limbo theorem have matchmaking? I can't recall. If they do, then I would say the OP is right and there should be continuity, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukinoki Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, (XB1)Kuhl MC said: why not handle it the same way here? So that a group of people can keyshare through the system. I find it much better to either be able to host a grendel mission for friends/clanmates without having to go "Oh yeah, before we can do this grendel mission you'll have to go through a few arbitrations...so tell me when you get you're 25 vitus." Further it allows people to have backups: Me and a few friends can buy a few keys apiece and then if we fail? So what we have another key to just try again. It dramatically cuts down on how much vitus is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinaMonsoon Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tsukinoki said: So that a group of people can keyshare through the system. I find it much better to either be able to host a grendel mission for friends/clanmates without having to go "Oh yeah, before we can do this grendel mission you'll have to go through a few arbitrations...so tell me when you get you're 25 vitus." Further it allows people to have backups: Me and a few friends can buy a few keys apiece and then if we fail? So what we have another key to just try again. It dramatically cuts down on how much vitus is needed. don't you keep the grendel keys on fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightBlitz Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, EdinaMonsoon said: don't you keep the grendel keys on fail? you do, they're only consumed on mission success 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinaMonsoon Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 have they updated/changed grendel's missions for console or do i not know what matchmaking means? it's a very flexible mission in that you don't even need to buy the keys, you can just find a game in recruitment chat and make sure at least one person has a key. or did they patch that out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, EdinaMonsoon said: have they updated/changed grendel's missions for console or do i not know what matchmaking means? it's a very flexible mission in that you don't even need to buy the keys, you can just find a game in recruitment chat and make sure at least one person has a key. or did they patch that out? OP is talking about automatic matchmaking when you set your game to Public. If you have no squad, set your game to Public, and click on a Grendel mission, the game will not find a squad to put you in, it will just start the mission 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GearsMatrix301 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) Because DE wants you to experience literal Hell at its maximum potential. Edited November 21, 2019 by (XB1)GearsMatrix301 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emolition Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) I think it's to increase the co op feel*. This way I can get the frame and spend 25 virtus on 1 key instead of 75 on 3 keys and if extreamly lucky like 1 of our clan memebers get the frame free as we allready had the 3 keys. * Forgot the word i was looking for but to increase the incentive to team up. Edited November 21, 2019 by Emolition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Quantaminum Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, (XB1)Kuhl MC said: because it's impossible to solo them I think it's possible. Someone made a thread about pulling it off with Revenant. It might actually be easier/faster solo, because there will be less enemies overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Kuhl MC Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 We have 10 people in our clan, that have different times that they are able to play, I usually play with a friend only. We did the survival, but I doubt that we two can handle the defense or the excavation. I'm in an alliance with over 1000 people, put in a group request an hour ago, still no response... How are one man clans supposed to do this, if it's not even possible to find players in an alliance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinaMonsoon Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, TARINunit9 said: OP is talking about automatic matchmaking when you set your game to Public. If you have no squad, set your game to Public, and click on a Grendel mission, the game will not find a squad to put you in, it will just start the mission oh okay i agree, it should be a thing. typing is annoying on consoles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Kuhl MC Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 And by the way: I managed survival up to 18 min with Revenant solo, before the oxygen ran out, together with my friend we did it. But the other two missions require target protection, energy regen and crowd control/kill potential and my friend has a tight working scedule, so we can't spend ages in chats begging for help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, EdinaMonsoon said: oh okay i agree, it should be a thing. typing is annoying on consoles And it would be a thing, if all squad members had to spend a Locator (like with Razorbacks). As it stands, only the person who clicks on the mission spends their Locator (like with Derelicts, old raids, original Void, Mutalist Alad V, etc.); thus, no Public matchmaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methanoid Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 35 minutes ago, (XB1)Kuhl MC said: Razorbacks and Formorians also have matchmaking, you simply can't join them, if you don't fulfill the requirements, why not handle it the same way here? this should also be how derelict vault runs work, even sorties have a check on requirements such as the missions with equipped weapon type limitations, if they can check for "bow only" weapons equipped im sure they could check for equipped keys, but *shrug*, another long requested feature left for dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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