Immune to corrosive kuva liches.

[Avienas]

4 hours ago, tarfeef101 said:

Well, you see, here's the thing:

Liches are supposed to be "endgame" content for vets who want to put in effort (and theoretically a challenge, although it's really just a high-level grind than difficult). So, making the gear requirement high is perfectly reasonable. 

Yeah forgot to put a point out but Kuva liches are not end-game, its just D.E. putting another system out in Waframe`s wild, because the game is in eternally a beta, since D.E. is constantly having to overhaul the game if all the bugs and issues present are not a clear sign. Closest thing we had to a end-game was raids, since it was a massively different way of how we played at the time, such as running a 8 man group, having some excessive team-work to do things like blow up toxin generators & open a larger door, escort a cargo as mini-bosses spawn and harass us and we had to fight a quite a hard boss at the time, even if people eventually got so used to it that you could solo or even duo some of the content. But that was mostly due to people becoming insanely good at it, plus the power creep of more OP stuff letting you skip thru a number of nuisances.

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As for what you need, you really don't need an amazing god-roll riven. Yes, I use rivens for basically everything because well, why not. I like to min-max. I find that fun.

Exactly riven is not needed, its just something of a good idea to optimize the build so you are not stuck taking the slow approach or having to really dig deep on how to YEET a lich solo, without relying on a pre-made group for tearing thru rank 4-5 tier liches.

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But, many weapons can function almost as well with and without rivens. There's a reason disposition is a thing.

The point of disposition and riven mods themselves were to power up weaker weapons, but D.E. poorly designed the system (LIKE USUAL) so people just abuse it to further stack more DPS on weapons even when the disposition of the riven is 1. There is a good reason why i will keep on stabbing the riven mod system with a poker so hot, your wondering why it hasnt melted despite being the temperature of the sun. The system like many others need some fine-tuning to not only make it more tolerable, but also reign in the ridiculousness they brought in marketing and `meta-style farms, that are especially present in eidolon hunting. Aka where people will use riven mods to justify you being the dps or not, despite you having a huge track record on hydrolyst captures.`

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There's plenty of weapons that are still great w/o them. I recommend snipers+bows personally cause that's what I use the most, and most of em are perfect for lich hunting. And I know some of those rivens are just 2 stats, and a drop of some crit reliability or some extra elemental ain't a huge deal.

Tried the bow and sniper style against kuva liches, but as expected, trying to do it solo, with my ivara made it feel rather slow to take down adds for missions and just felt kind of clunky to me with how i had to setup empowered quiver`s dash-wire bonus, argon scope`s head shot bonus and so many other factors, that it felt more tedious and boring to me just running in with Rhino, slowing all nearby enemies and the lich with a stomp and just utterly destroying him while in public.

....but yet again, kuva liches themselves are still poorly optimized in terms of the grinding and durability they have, so i would hope the next update entails further fixes towards them before they start cramming corpus liches on us, with likely just as poorly designed durability. Which would be rather annoying to deal with a corpus `lich` who has the armor or gets some ridiculous things like durable disruptor bubbles, osprey grenades or even bursa missile salvos.

 

 

Well thanks to another post, i got a rather fun idea atleast to combine my Rhino setup with a Raksa kubrow to have a nasty setup for tanking capability, using its howl for a nice `synergy` of Add C.C. and having the doggo able to deal 5 digit slash proces and debuff spreading on those same tankie adds, plus not counting the side-bonuses from certain mods (Mecha empowerment). Would be neat to use a Mecha set mark on a kuva lich to just further the DPS, since its not like the lich is immune to being `marked` for a damage bonus.

Too bad i need to get my hands on a Raksa kubrow again though lol...

 

Edited February 13, 2020 by Avienas

[tarfeef101]

23 hours ago, Avienas said:

Yeah forgot to put a point out but Kuva liches are not end-game, its just D.E. putting another system out in Waframe`s wild, because the game is in eternally a beta, since D.E. is constantly having to overhaul the game if all the bugs and issues present are not a clear sign. Closest thing we had to a end-game was raids, since it was a massively different way of how we played at the time, such as running a 8 man group, having some excessive team-work to do things like blow up toxin generators & open a larger door, escort a cargo as mini-bosses spawn and harass us and we had to fight a quite a hard boss at the time, even if people eventually got so used to it that you could solo or even duo some of the content. But that was mostly due to people becoming insanely good at it, plus the power creep of more OP stuff letting you skip thru a number of nuisances.

Exactly riven is not needed, its just something of a good idea to optimize the build so you are not stuck taking the slow approach or having to really dig deep on how to YEET a lich solo, without relying on a pre-made group for tearing thru rank 4-5 tier liches.

The point of disposition and riven mods themselves were to power up weaker weapons, but D.E. poorly designed the system (LIKE USUAL) so people just abuse it to further stack more DPS on weapons even when the disposition of the riven is 1. There is a good reason why i will keep on stabbing the riven mod system with a poker so hot, your wondering why it hasnt melted despite being the temperature of the sun. The system like many others need some fine-tuning to not only make it more tolerable, but also reign in the ridiculousness they brought in marketing and `meta-style farms, that are especially present in eidolon hunting. Aka where people will use riven mods to justify you being the dps or not, despite you having a huge track record on hydrolyst captures.`

Tried the bow and sniper style against kuva liches, but as expected, trying to do it solo, with my ivara made it feel rather slow to take down adds for missions and just felt kind of clunky to me with how i had to setup empowered quiver`s dash-wire bonus, argon scope`s head shot bonus and so many other factors, that it felt more tedious and boring to me just running in with Rhino, slowing all nearby enemies and the lich with a stomp and just utterly destroying him while in public.

....but yet again, kuva liches themselves are still poorly optimized in terms of the grinding and durability they have, so i would hope the next update entails further fixes towards them before they start cramming corpus liches on us, with likely just as poorly designed durability. Which would be rather annoying to deal with a corpus `lich` who has the armor or gets some ridiculous things like durable disruptor bubbles, osprey grenades or even bursa missile salvos

1. Nothing in warframe right now is endgame, but this is part of what they intended to be endgame. Just like raids (which as you mentioned you could basically solo), or arbitrations, or any other number of things they've tried
2. You misunderstand. For example, I literally just finished a lich last night. I used the kuva twin stubbas to kill him each time. As I was leveling them. Without a riven. It took maybe 7s to get him down each stage? Btw that's solo with no frame powers. So I feel like you're really overstating the tankiness of liches here.
3. People don't abuse the system anymore like that (as much, at least, there is always one or two things overlooked, which is to be expected). Wish disposition per variant of weapons, it's actually quite fair now. The system is not bad anymore. You could argue they don't update values often enough or accurately enough, but the framework is viable. As for your point about the whole recruit chat thing, yeah people are idiots, never gonna get around that. If it wasn't rivens, they'd demand some other pointless thing. 
4. Try just running some generic tank frame with no damage buffs, and a good build. See point #2 above. You really don't need much. Perhaps look at your buildcraft a bit (or maybe your aim if you feel using snipers/other precise weapons is too difficult, no hate but many have said they have issues aiming, just trying to address that point, don't get all upset because i mentioned it could exist like many do)
5. Claiming liches are too boring and pointlessly grindy is valid, but that isn't what my comments talked about, so I'm not really gonna go into that. If you think they're too tanky still, see all my above comments

[VenomousValentine]

On 2020-02-12 at 10:00 AM, Marmelade said:

Just had fun 1 v 1 with immune to corrosive kuva lich lasting for 19 min.

Since it wasn't my first encounter with here since i got 3 words unveiled i came prepared.

She was immune to corrosive weak to impact and explosive.So i went out bought Magistar riven fully leveled formaed Sancti Magistar , spent 50k kuva rolling riven, went full impact and a bit of explosive and added shattering impact.

I've draped myself as Sauron , took trusty hammer in my hands and started mars sabotage i was dreadful i swinged to the left and to the right killing her thralls in single swings until she came the dreadful , unyielding Pabiri Gashori.

Then the horror began i swinged my trusty hammer and she stopped it with her bare hands smiling into my Valkyr Prime face and then kicking me across half the tile, i kept shoting her with Kuva Hind but i dealt pitiful 10 - 20 damage to lvl 5 Lich i attempted to fight her with Sancti Magistar fully modded to her weaknesses but it dealt no more damage than Hind i attempted to melt her with Kuva nukor and i almost succeeded coz she almost choked from laughter,  then she beat me hard , first she broke my spine , then she broke my legs , then hands , after all revives were gone i was hiding behind boxes sending spectres against her.Then when i understood that there is no road to me left ( coz she initiated doors lock down) i had to resort to my trusty wisp spectre teleporting into her take downs shielding me from them and spending energy pads to keep Valkyr 4 up and so after whole 19 minutes i've was victorious due to Valkyr talons being the only thing that dealt 40 damage instead of 20.

TLDR.
Shattering impact does not work on Liches.

Due to insane armor values nothing deals reasonable damage to them.

If you want to keep immune to Corrosive Liches a thing

Make shattering impact work on them.

"this content needs nerfs because I CAN'T DO IT"

Its so easy to decimate a level 5 lich even with an element they're resistant to if you don't build like a goon. Stop asking for things to be nerfed because you can't be bothered to formulate a method via trial and error.

[Amoral_Support]

I haven't had a chance to test this but are Liches immune to the bullet attractor effect of the Scourge? Are the effected by Grineer faction mods?

I figure if i can't strip their armor stacking as many damage multipliers as possible makes sense.

Edited February 15, 2020 by Amoral_Support

[SilentCompletionist]

Use revenant. He can survive anything and kill liches very fast.

[taiiat]

Lich Weaknesses are largely a sham. if the Lich is immune to Corrosive, a tough life ahead, but then you move to Puncture, the next strongest Damage Type vs the Lich most likely. as for Elemental Damage, one of the times the Lich appears, if you look at it with your Scanner if you bought that Simaris widget, you can see its Weaknesses/Resistances, so that you'll know what Elemental Types it is ACTUALLY weak to relative to the rest and know what to Mod for on top of Puncture.

[DrakeWurrum]

Kuva Liches don't have armor that insane. Stripping it isn't really necessary. Just pick a weapon that hits and crits hard, and they'll go down. Hell, specters work wonders on them, if nothing else fails.

I've even killed my lich with a not-maxed Banshee Prime, equipped with Ogris and Prisma Twin Gremlins (Neither maxed). I had applied Forma to it all, so I was trying to get them back up all at once and decided to just fight my lich. Still took him out.

Admittedly, I used all my revives to do it. I'm not very good with Banshee. I didn't trust my Ogris enough, so I just pewpewed him down with the Gremlins. I did take cover behind random boxes a lot.

Edited February 15, 2020 by DrakeWurrum

[Avienas]

Bit late on the reply but felt like touching up some stuff.

20 hours ago, tarfeef101 said:

• Nothing in warframe right now is endgame, but this is part of what they intended to be endgame. Just like raids (which as you mentioned you could basically solo), or arbitrations, or any other number of things they've tried.

Intent to be end game is honestly to me just a fancy way of getting reminded of certain content creator videos, that touch on the subject on how D.E. will never have a end-game without a major change of style of content. 

Since warframe can never have end-game, because new stuff constantly gets released, which usually results in the `end-game` being trivalized so horribly that it just turns into a person soloing a content intended to be run by 4+ people and that person just DPS races thru the thing faster then a simple joe squad. Which can easily make said content obsolete. The reason why raids worked is because Arcanes were scarce as FK and exclusive ONLY to raids, plus the nightmare ones had things like B.P.s (in addition to easy to spawn `rare resource caches` and easy to spot ayatan statues, especially on the final stage of LoR) to straight up let you craft rare resources, which the resources were not cheap, but it was a nice way when you run into those situations where you are short a resource or so, when it was not so easy to farm for loot.

Plus i find the idea of instead of group focused end-game, D.E. has it act more solo-ish or take advantage of a unique spin on the squad link they now are finally getting around to bringing in for real, where people have to run the content in separate instances and by doing certain tasks, they help thar other team-mates instead of it being full on 100% carry(which we all know how those GoTL alerts, fissures and so on tend to normally go), since all related team-mates have to actually do stuff in something like a multi-floor climbing like raid end-game-ish content.

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• You misunderstand. For example, I literally just finished a lich last night. I used the kuva twin stubbas to kill him each time. As I was leveling them. Without a riven. It took maybe 7s to get him down each stage? Btw that's solo with no frame powers. So I feel like you're really overstating the tankiness of liches here.

Which rank was the lich? Was it a lich with radiation or Toxin effects? Did the lich have resistances to the normal ferrite armor stats and/or was it weak to the elements you were shooting with? The issue is not that the lich is just over-ly tankie, it also is an issue where its damage can be rather nuts and if it has the correct weapon (Ogris, Bramma, etc.), it turns into an absurd monster that can either rip most of your health apart in a single shot at MID-HIGH rank lich tier or just straight up one shot you, even with a sturdy frame.

Which especially gets even worst if the lich straight up throws a viral effect on you aka half your E-health was just yeet`d from yourself.

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• People don't abuse the system anymore like that (as much, at least, there is always one or two things overlooked, which is to be expected). Wish disposition per variant of weapons, it's actually quite fair now. The system is not bad anymore. You could argue they don't update values often enough or accurately enough, but the framework is viable. As for your point about the whole recruit chat thing, yeah people are idiots, never gonna get around that. If it wasn't rivens, they'd demand some other pointless thing. 

Though i mostly tend to try and avoid riven mods, it becomes quite a necessity when i need to maximize my build for content that can require it to drastically reduce my frustrations on content that typically have the bullet sponge memes attached to it, which for now is Kuva liches, with Eidolons i do not need to care about till D.E. announces they are revamping focus skills to actually make a bunch more viable.

Funfact, i have Zenurik & Madurai (except the 2 detrimental ranks for the flash on void mode) fully maxed with Naramon one rank short of being fully maxed. While Unairu & Vazarin have all the worth-while skills max with maybe around 5 or 7 ranks between the remaining skills to max out.

Since D.E. has not even released new amp parts and doing the whole arcane selling market is kind of poor when people want full sets for only 30~40 plat, kind of makes me care little about optimizing my don-hunting builds futher, when i have no reason right now to farm it. Otherwise, anything else beyond those 2 can literally give zero care about riven mods.

and yes, now that plenty of people are spoiled by riven mods, just like with the relic `up to 4 options when sharing pick system`, people would likely whine about something else, if D.E. suddenly got rid of riven mods or relic sharing. I still like to stand by my statements that if those specific bits were never introduced, people would never of got spoiled with them.

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• Try just running some generic tank frame with no damage buffs, and a good build. See point #2 above. You really don't need much. Perhaps look at your buildcraft a bit (or maybe your aim if you feel using snipers/other precise weapons is too difficult, no hate but many have said they have issues aiming, just trying to address that point, don't get all upset because i mentioned it could exist like many do).

If you were to try running a Valkyr or a Inaros without any health regen measures, no adaptation, and especially not arcane grace, you would be rather amazed at how easy rank 4-5 content can yeet them, with likely an exception if they had the weaker end of the kuva guns. This is why i took up builds focused around sturdy armor, some means that can actually C.C. the boss to save me some hassle(since no one enjoys liches with bombard KAI tier levels of one-shotting nor do they enjoy kuva liches jumping/teleporting around), Plus of course a regen so i am not constantly disengaging to use magus repair on my operator to heal my frame every several seconds.

Plus a generic tank frame is stuff more along the lines of Excalibur, Khora, Heck even Ash. Aka frames that are very sturdy, but not on the high-tier that is mostly due to buff effects that allow them. P.S. i do not consider Valkyr a high-end tank because absurdly high armor gets SHAT on by the D.R. value from armor getting worst as you get higher armor, which Valkyr`s health is nothing impressive, so her E-health is alot lower then one may think it is. Unless you are one of the big-brain individuals who abuse scaling buffs, such as how i recently learned about how absurd Mecha Pulse can be, Especially when one can stop using kavats for thar buffs.

Plus just as a heads up i play on PS4, which console games, especially warframe, are not that great when it comes to threading needles with headshots, unless its a FPS game with very smooth & feel-good controls for shooting and hit-boxes on the head actually not being tiny dots, aka Destiny.

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• Claiming liches are too boring and pointlessly grindy is valid, but that isn't what my comments talked about, so I'm not really gonna go into that. If you think they're too tanky still, see all my above comments

Never the less, i do not have an issue yeeting the liches these days, now that i use more optimized methods to YEET them. My new ultimate annoyance with Kuva liches is how it feels like such a turn-off grind because of the murmurs & R.Mod portions feel tedious and is especially something i do not want to be burning plat to just stockpile the R.mods nor do i enjoy having to go back to the kuva fort to keep spinning the wheel for the R.Mods i need, by just simply doing public...

...because some might say its better to use void traces to run radiant R.Relics, but one needs a quantity of the mods and that means alot of void traces. Which we all know that no one wants to tack another extra grind of farming on a grind of farming just so one can do another grind of farming before they can finally do the main grind of farming, which does not even count the unlucky moment of needing to restock the relics. Aka quite literally going from Relic farming to Trace Farming, To Mod Farming, To Murmur farming to Lich farming. Which normally your only going to do 2 to 3 of them, but your likely going to be forced to do the first 2 if you do not like doing public kuva fissure runs.

Edited February 15, 2020 by Avienas

[Avienas]

23 minutes ago, DrakeWurrum said:

Kuva Liches don't have armor that insane. Stripping it isn't really necessary. Just pick a weapon that hits and crits hard, and they'll go down. Hell, specters work wonders on them, if nothing else fails.

Very sure you meant to say Liches CANNNOT be debuffed thru elemental status proc effects, aka people cant take the normal approach to taking down grineer with them aka strip the absurdly high D.R. value which is the main reason its E-health is such a pain to take down. Plus give a specter any good weapon and enough time and they likely can kill anything, critical point is no one wants to spend an hour trying to smack a single lich dead when they could of already be half way done with the second one by now.

This of course means the only way to YEET a lich is with over-kill of ridiculous damage, but kind of like dealing with lephantis, you can`t just one shot them unless you have some friends buddy up to do your best impression of a Tokusentai episode and you all stack damage buffs to the most absurd of levels and still likely cry at the fact you still can`t one shot 1/3rd of the health bar of a rank 4-5 lich.

Which is kind of where just consistently spamming DPS with things like the kuva douba stubba tends to be more reliable on just chipping them down, but include some buffs that could atleast up your dps by about 50%~100% at the very least.

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I've even killed my lich with a not-maxed Banshee Prime, equipped with Ogris and Prisma Twin Gremlins (Neither maxed). I had applied Forma to it all, so I was trying to get them back up all at once and decided to just fight my lich. Still took him out.

Anything that can apply damage buffs is basically the option B to dealing with absurdly tankie enemies. I would not of been amazed that banshee`s weak point buff could actually work on the lich, since its mostly non-standard debuffs that actually work on these B.S. enemies since they normally do not work on some status chance proc mechanic. Which we all know how fun a banshee able to spam her weak point bonus AND can stack it can be. Still, we all know how fun explosive weapons and self damage can be though, especially when you consider the other factor on them being highly unreliable for procing weak-point damage bonuses, in addition to them always being a one-shot hazard against yourself.

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Admittedly, I used all my revives to do it. I'm not very good with Banshee. I didn't trust my Ogris enough, so I just pewpewed him down with the Gremlins. I did take cover behind random boxes a lot.

Never the less as you stated, It took all your revives to yeet them, plus you were not trusting your Ogris. Which honestly, i normally only fired explosive weapons while in the air or from far away like a artillery cannon, since even the Lenz can easily yeet you and any weapon with instant explosion on impact is a even more fun case. 

Granted, whenever i had to disengage from the lich long enough for something like energy pancakes or re-buffing my frame`s defensive and offensive buffs, i tend to usually just bullet jump a good 30 to 50 meters away, while letting the lich focus on the public randoms who were in my squad or just dump 3 pancakes instantly to get enough energy back, instead of waiting for the energy ticks.

Edited February 15, 2020 by Avienas

[(PSN)thegarada]

You know.. most dev games figured out immunities (or high resistances) is a very bad idea. While DE is innovative on many stuff, for mob design they all mostly behind.

[akots]

On 2020-02-12 at 1:00 PM, Marmelade said:

She was immune to corrosive weak to impact and explosive.

I had a similar lich immune to corrosive but without any weaknesses with Iron skin. It was a major pita to deal with. The problem is that armor cannot be stripped and it blocks impact, so there is no point in using impact in your case. At level 3, when the problem started to show up, I decided to scan my lich to actually find out what is going on and it showed what others have already told that puncture is the way to go but it is better to have a high critical, hard hitting and fast melee with BR and raw damage/combo/speed mods (Auger strike plus Sundering strike), use Loki/Ash/Ivara, and Zenurik with Temporal blast just in case you get carried away and pop out of invisibility. There are a few weapons that should fit. I used Vaykor Sydon which worked just fine. It still took some time but no longer than a single Loki invisibility cycle (30-35 seconds) for each bar.

[tarfeef101]

7 hours ago, Avienas said:

Bit late on the reply but felt like touching up some stuff.

Intent to be end game is honestly to me just a fancy way of getting reminded of certain content creator videos, that touch on the subject on how D.E. will never have a end-game without a major change of style of content. 

Since warframe can never have end-game, because new stuff constantly gets released, which usually results in the `end-game` being trivalized so horribly that it just turns into a person soloing a content intended to be run by 4+ people and that person just DPS races thru the thing faster then a simple joe squad. Which can easily make said content obsolete. The reason why raids worked is because Arcanes were scarce as FK and exclusive ONLY to raids, plus the nightmare ones had things like B.P.s (in addition to easy to spawn `rare resource caches` and easy to spot ayatan statues, especially on the final stage of LoR) to straight up let you craft rare resources, which the resources were not cheap, but it was a nice way when you run into those situations where you are short a resource or so, when it was not so easy to farm for loot.

Plus i find the idea of instead of group focused end-game, D.E. has it act more solo-ish or take advantage of a unique spin on the squad link they now are finally getting around to bringing in for real, where people have to run the content in separate instances and by doing certain tasks, they help thar other team-mates instead of it being full on 100% carry(which we all know how those GoTL alerts, fissures and so on tend to normally go), since all related team-mates have to actually do stuff in something like a multi-floor climbing like raid end-game-ish content.

Which rank was the lich? Was it a lich with radiation or Toxin effects? Did the lich have resistances to the normal ferrite armor stats and/or was it weak to the elements you were shooting with? The issue is not that the lich is just over-ly tankie, it also is an issue where its damage can be rather nuts and if it has the correct weapon (Ogris, Bramma, etc.), it turns into an absurd monster that can either rip most of your health apart in a single shot at MID-HIGH rank lich tier or just straight up one shot you, even with a sturdy frame.

Which especially gets even worst if the lich straight up throws a viral effect on you aka half your E-health was just yeet`d from yourself.

Though i mostly tend to try and avoid riven mods, it becomes quite a necessity when i need to maximize my build for content that can require it to drastically reduce my frustrations on content that typically have the bullet sponge memes attached to it, which for now is Kuva liches, with Eidolons i do not need to care about till D.E. announces they are revamping focus skills to actually make a bunch more viable.

Funfact, i have Zenurik & Madurai (except the 2 detrimental ranks for the flash on void mode) fully maxed with Naramon one rank short of being fully maxed. While Unairu & Vazarin have all the worth-while skills max with maybe around 5 or 7 ranks between the remaining skills to max out.

Since D.E. has not even released new amp parts and doing the whole arcane selling market is kind of poor when people want full sets for only 30~40 plat, kind of makes me care little about optimizing my don-hunting builds futher, when i have no reason right now to farm it. Otherwise, anything else beyond those 2 can literally give zero care about riven mods.

and yes, now that plenty of people are spoiled by riven mods, just like with the relic `up to 4 options when sharing pick system`, people would likely whine about something else, if D.E. suddenly got rid of riven mods or relic sharing. I still like to stand by my statements that if those specific bits were never introduced, people would never of got spoiled with them.

If you were to try running a Valkyr or a Inaros without any health regen measures, no adaptation, and especially not arcane grace, you would be rather amazed at how easy rank 4-5 content can yeet them, with likely an exception if they had the weaker end of the kuva guns. This is why i took up builds focused around sturdy armor, some means that can actually C.C. the boss to save me some hassle(since no one enjoys liches with bombard KAI tier levels of one-shotting nor do they enjoy kuva liches jumping/teleporting around), Plus of course a regen so i am not constantly disengaging to use magus repair on my operator to heal my frame every several seconds.

Plus a generic tank frame is stuff more along the lines of Excalibur, Khora, Heck even Ash. Aka frames that are very sturdy, but not on the high-tier that is mostly due to buff effects that allow them. P.S. i do not consider Valkyr a high-end tank because absurdly high armor gets SHAT on by the D.R. value from armor getting worst as you get higher armor, which Valkyr`s health is nothing impressive, so her E-health is alot lower then one may think it is. Unless you are one of the big-brain individuals who abuse scaling buffs, such as how i recently learned about how absurd Mecha Pulse can be, Especially when one can stop using kavats for thar buffs.

Plus just as a heads up i play on PS4, which console games, especially warframe, are not that great when it comes to threading needles with headshots, unless its a FPS game with very smooth & feel-good controls for shooting and hit-boxes on the head actually not being tiny dots, aka Destiny.

Never the less, i do not have an issue yeeting the liches these days, now that i use more optimized methods to YEET them. My new ultimate annoyance with Kuva liches is how it feels like such a turn-off grind because of the murmurs & R.Mod portions feel tedious and is especially something i do not want to be burning plat to just stockpile the R.mods nor do i enjoy having to go back to the kuva fort to keep spinning the wheel for the R.Mods i need, by just simply doing public...

...because some might say its better to use void traces to run radiant R.Relics, but one needs a quantity of the mods and that means alot of void traces. Which we all know that no one wants to tack another extra grind of farming on a grind of farming just so one can do another grind of farming before they can finally do the main grind of farming, which does not even count the unlucky moment of needing to restock the relics. Aka quite literally going from Relic farming to Trace Farming, To Mod Farming, To Murmur farming to Lich farming. Which normally your only going to do 2 to 3 of them, but your likely going to be forced to do the first 2 if you do not like doing public kuva fissure runs.

Okay here we go again

 

1. Again, this was not about arguing about endgame content. You understand that this was intended endgame regardless of the outcome, and that's all that matters. I have posted about raids and endgame in general many times, and you can stalk my profile to hear more about those thoughts. I have enough to go through already.
2. Lich tankiness - my previous liches: all of mine have hit rank 5, and I've had all of them as toxin or rad. Both immunive to corrosive. I rarely get them with weaknesses, my luck is balls but not literally the worst ever so I've always had at least one of viral or radiation that they weren't resistant to when they were corrosive immune.
3. Lich damage/tanky frames
   1. Tanky frames; no, excal and ash aren't tank frames. They're frames that happen to have not terrible armour. Nidus, inaros, chroma are tanky frames. Don't try to say anything otherwise to justify your points, we're not idiots here.
   2. This is supposed to be endgame content. So saying you get dmged without using things like arcanes, an easy to acquire mod like adaptation, and no health regen like the magus arcanes that are easy af to get is just irrelevant. You could complain if killing vay hek w/o those is difficult. Not if liches in some of the highest level content we have make them (almost) necessary
4. Rivens again: you didn't really bring up anything to refute my points here, so gonna move on. you have not refuted my emperical evidence that it isn't necessary to kill them in under a minute per stage even under these conditions, so I don't feel the need to spend more time talking about this dead horse
5. I used to play on console many moons ago. It's fine. You can headshot things if you want to and have some level of ability. I'll let other console players debate this further as I have no ability to provide more evidence than my experiences from years ago
6. yes there is a lot of grind, never said there wasn't, and it isn't the point of anything I said so wasting time typing even more about this in replies to me is a giant waste
7. you really need to go and actually play the ***** game. stop whining on the forums, go get the endgame level gear for this endgame level content (Which i don't include rivens in, you again do not need them for this), learn how to build weapons well, and then see for yourself how these complaints will magically go away

[Avienas]

1 hour ago, tarfeef101 said:

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My current `playtime on warframe` pretty much consists of just casually farming avionics and salvage for dirac on Gian point till i wait for D.E. to actually fix some things. Alongside restocking the forma i burnt up after going thru all 16 kuva weapons and putting 5 forma on for the maximum mastery.

Really is not much else for me to do on Warframe except when D.E. does a major spook like how prime chamber was just released to the public yesterday and i had a `despairful run` rushing to get 2000 ducats to get the thing ASAP. Otherwise, im just playing some other titles in my spare time.

 

P.S. if we want to talk about end-game, i also had fun getting a new Raksha kubrow, putting a bunch of forma on it and doing a little spin on a 4-set mecha mod setup with my Rhino, to have a nice setup that still retains my need for Fetch & primed animal instinct while making the kubrow tankie, Terror enemies and proc those high-slash damage `corpse bombs` with ease. Which is funny enough, one of those few times i get to have some actual fun on making something that actually makes me not want to use Smeeta, when i do not need to care about resources that much.

 

Now i could try and poke your comments word for word, but clearly this is turning into a philosophical bicker-match and those are almost as boring as stalking market chat for hours just to peel a few hundreds of plat to prepare for the next delue skin S.storm when D.E. ships out an impressive one all of a sudden, despite several others have been teased and even had models out already.

[BloodKitten]

i just use a zaw dagger with high crit chance and just melee them, i might get grabbed once or twice at level 5 befor downing them, but being able to rapidly hit them in short amount of time with crit weapons can eat the armor/health away, for better effect mesa with high crit and multishot + fire rate can work.

[DeckChairVonBananaCamel]

There's a lot of responses, so i dont know if this was already said, but im pretty sure kuva liches are immune to status effects so even if your lich was not immune to corrosive, it would still be immune to corrosive procs.

However your mistake was bringing Valkyr and then proceeding to use literally anything other than hysteria.

[taiiat]

9 hours ago, Avienas said:

people cant take the normal approach to taking down grineer with them aka strip the absurdly high D.R. value which is the main reason its E-health is such a pain to take down. 

 

This of course means the only way to YEET a lich is with over-kill of ridiculous damage, [...] you all stack damage buffs to the most absurd of levels and still likely cry at the fact you still can`t one shot 1/3rd of the health bar of a rank 4-5 lich.

i'll have to try and repeat what you responded to again, we'll try a second time - Liches don't have "absurd DR". there's some Armor, there's also probably some special DR, but mostly they just have considerable amounts of Health since it's a Boss type of Enemy.

 

that sounds like putting in a lot of work of stacking Damage Multipliers and without much for results - though that's odd, even just like, one Damage Multiplying Ability should be enough to dispatch with a Lich quickly. i use a quite modest choice for Damage Multiplying and performance is good, my guess is probably Damage Type choices being the difference.

[DrakeWurrum]

14 hours ago, Avienas said:

Very sure you meant to say Liches CANNNOT be debuffed thru elemental status proc effects, aka people cant take the normal approach to taking down grineer with them aka strip the absurdly high D.R. value which is the main reason its E-health is such a pain to take down. Plus give a specter any good weapon and enough time and they likely can kill anything, critical point is no one wants to spend an hour trying to smack a single lich dead when they could of already be half way done with the second one by now.

This of course means the only way to YEET a lich is with over-kill of ridiculous damage, but kind of like dealing with lephantis, you can`t just one shot them unless you have some friends buddy up to do your best impression of a Tokusentai episode and you all stack damage buffs to the most absurd of levels and still likely cry at the fact you still can`t one shot 1/3rd of the health bar of a rank 4-5 lich.

Which is kind of where just consistently spamming DPS with things like the kuva douba stubba tends to be more reliable on just chipping them down, but include some buffs that could atleast up your dps by about 50%~100% at the very least.

Never really paid attention to whether they can or can't. I've never really bothered using any specific strategy to kill liches. I just pick a loadout I feel like using and go with it. I normally use tanky loadouts like Inaros or Revenant, to be fair, but I've done it with squishier guys like Volt and obviously Banshee now.

It's kinda... extremely simplified logic to say "the only way to kill it is with over-kill of ridiculous damage"

That's Warframe. That's literally the whole game. I mean... you can't kill them without using damage. And Warframe's entire design is about using ridiculous amounts of damage for hilarious over-kill. So. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I didn't even pop out my specter until I had one revive left, because I usually try to avoid using them.

Also, when I'm using hard-hitting weapons like the Tigris P, I am plenty capable of instantly removing an entire health bar without using insane buff stacking. You're WAY overestimating how much HP and armor they have.

It's worth noting that the OP was complaining heavily about using a melee hammer and getting owned.

Generally speaking, that's the only rule I have to fighting liches: never use melee. Their super-pro-wrestling move is too dangerous to risk melee.

14 hours ago, Avienas said:

Anything that can apply damage buffs is basically the option B to dealing with absurdly tankie enemies. I would not of been amazed that banshee`s weak point buff could actually work on the lich, since its mostly non-standard debuffs that actually work on these B.S. enemies since they normally do not work on some status chance proc mechanic. Which we all know how fun a banshee able to spam her weak point bonus AND can stack it can be. Still, we all know how fun explosive weapons and self damage can be though, especially when you consider the other factor on them being highly unreliable for procing weak-point damage bonuses, in addition to them always being a one-shot hazard against yourself.

Actually, I didn't even use Banshee's abilities. I probably should have used her Sonar, now that you mention it. Was too busy pewpewing with Gremlins and hiding behind Corpus boxes to think about what her buttons do.

14 hours ago, Avienas said:

Never the less as you stated, It took all your revives to yeet them, plus you were not trusting your Ogris. Which honestly, i normally only fired explosive weapons while in the air or from far away like a artillery cannon, since even the Lenz can easily yeet you and any weapon with instant explosion on impact is a even more fun case. 

Granted, whenever i had to disengage from the lich long enough for something like energy pancakes or re-buffing my frame`s defensive and offensive buffs, i tend to usually just bullet jump a good 30 to 50 meters away, while letting the lich focus on the public randoms who were in my squad or just dump 3 pancakes instantly to get enough energy back, instead of waiting for the energy ticks.

Well, like I said, I'm not very good with Banshee. I typically like to use frames with defensive capabilities, and Banshee's kit leans more to towards stealth or "caster" play.

I hadn't exactly brought the Ogris with the intent of using it on the lich, so much as I was wanting to re-max it to finalize it's mod build. It wasn't until the lich spawned that it hit me "Oh, right, this is probably a bad weapon choice"
The main reason being that liches constantly spawn thralls, and they get in the way.

Thing is, even on my Banshee, my loadout's pretty solidly thought out in a general case way, thinking about how I *should* be playing them, with mods mostly maxed out and builds polarized fairly well. I'm not saying a lich is easy to kill, but it's not like I have to work excessively hard at it, either. I don't plan out specific strategies for it. I had a hodge-podge loadout with my Banshee that didn't really lean into her playstyle, and still pulled it off.

Edited February 16, 2020 by DrakeWurrum

[Avienas]

14 hours ago, taiiat said:

i'll have to try and repeat what you responded to again, we'll try a second time - Liches don't have "absurd DR". there's some Armor, there's also probably some special DR, but mostly they just have considerable amounts of Health since it's a Boss type of Enemy.

 

that sounds like putting in a lot of work of stacking Damage Multipliers and without much for results - though that's odd, even just like, one Damage Multiplying Ability should be enough to dispatch with a Lich quickly. i use a quite modest choice for Damage Multiplying and performance is good, my guess is probably Damage Type choices being the difference.

Honestly i was being a little dramatic, but thats how it feels when taking on them since most content never really dealt with absurdly tankie `NOT main-objective` type enemies.

P.S.: Noxes, Bombards, Bursas and Eximus units do not count.

Because people can call Liches bosses, but in thar current state, they act more like random-encounter bosses similar to how the Gustrag 3, Zanuka Hunter and Stalker works. They show up whenever the fk they want and the only way to hunt THEM is to spam the missions they can spawn in. Which is another peeve i have with how kuva liches currently work, Since not only do i need to have my frame good for whatever mission i am doing to, it must also overlap on being able to be good at downing a lich too.

Which we also know how fun it is to run multiple gun types, because something of a `random-encounter boss`, has to actually have such a random level of resistances slash immunities, that you can easily be forced to not using the elements that ferrite armor is normally weak against, because the random-encounter boss decides to just be immune with you having likely no idea how D.E. has it programmed, since you could be spamming it with corrosive and it decides to get immunity to radiation or magnetic for some freaking no-explained reason why.

 

Never the less, its still another case of till people learn how much the boss is pathetic once you can give it a middle finger against its ability to basically jump all over the room, can one-shot you if you run anything `normal` and its durability being a wolf of saturn six clone(emphasis on clone, since WoS2 had more absurd resistance), then most would likely rather just take the nuclear option to get thru that annoying bully that requires way too many steps of grinding to kill it, yet the only big reward was a weapon. Which honestly all the time invested to just to killing the thing, feels not as rewarding, unless you only count fighting the lich and none of the grind to get to the point of finally taking them down. Which pretty much makes me wish we fought them on a forward base of thars as a ultimate show down instead of them just popping up to annoy us.

...but honestly i guess the whole fact on how liches were originally portrayed is still askewing my view on them which will likely do so, till D.E. actually gets the entire lich system properly done in a way that feels more fun then tedious.

Edited February 16, 2020 by Avienas

[Monolake]

On 2020-02-12 at 10:42 PM, -Kittens- said:

Then you're doing it wrong, because in the empty and dead sea of corpses of the land of Exaltia, where the husks of any male frame plus titania litter the carrion dunes, the dual queens of Scratchy-Pants and Make the Cowboy song noise and Press 4 to Win, Why Ever Play the Game stand far and alone.

Also lol at refusing to swap out mods on an exalted weapon. Did you know mods are changeable on demand and but mah forma is not an excuse? True Story. Now on Neflix.

 

Yep. Definitely doing it wrong, even on a Rhino Lich.

( Marmelade said: Make shattering impact work on them.)

It does work on them. Except you did a damage build instead of a hits per second build, and then switching weapons.

As in many instances throughout history time and space the problem is between the monitor and chair.

Protip: Bring a red crit weapon, even immune enemies will take slight damage.

So many empty words and insulting tone, yet so little knowledge, absolute shame, Shattering impact doesn't work on liches, dont spread misinformation

You should edit your post and apologize to topicstarter

 

For a showcase: Sarpa with Shattering impact and little damage - doesn't strip armor, damage values dont increase,

https://streamable.com/u1v9c

 

 

Edited February 18, 2020 by Monolake

[CopperBezel]

On 2020-02-15 at 7:04 PM, DeckChairVonBananaCamel said:

There's a lot of responses, so i dont know if this was already said, but im pretty sure kuva liches are immune to status effects so even if your lich was not immune to corrosive, it would still be immune to corrosive procs.

It's still ferrite armor, though. (Even though it should be alloy, but whatever.) So corrosive is doing 1.75x its damage value ... while ignoring 75% of the armor, which on high-armor targets just means another 4x mult.

Corrosive-immune liches are what happen when we remember that we're normally getting 7x damage on armored units and then suddenly don't. God I wish Corrosive and Slash could get hit with the nerf bat so that all armor values could be normalized. X /

 

[DeckChairVonBananaCamel]

On 2020-02-18 at 2:03 PM, CopperBezel said:

It's still ferrite armor, though. (Even though it should be alloy, but whatever.) So corrosive is doing 1.75x its damage value ... while ignoring 75% of the armor, which on high-armor targets just means another 4x mult.

Corrosive-immune liches are what happen when we remember that we're normally getting 7x damage on armored units and then suddenly don't. God I wish Corrosive and Slash could get hit with the nerf bat so that all armor values could be normalized. X /

 

Oh i thought OP was just complaining about the fact they couldn't strip armour

[CopperBezel]

Nope, liches have weaknesses, resistances, and immunities, and immunity means they simply do not take damage in that damage type. Once in a while you'll get one that's immune to corrosive, and it's a slog.