Archistopheles Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Since like idk what was it livestream 6 ? I woulda cut to the chase much sooner, but your new avatar threw me off, buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)wintersandman Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Its funny, snowglobe was really overpowered, now that it is on a normal balance level where every skill should be people start raging, because the game actually gets a bit more challenging. I quit playing my frost because I was a bubble boy. This will make it more appealing as teams will get more creative. I think this will also make things more appealing for what DE has in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonWagner Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Problem is that Frost can't be much of a ninja with that hair-ripping lack of speed of his, can he? What I mean is that, if THAT was the point, he'd need a lot more changes than what was presented here. yep i support you he is very slow xd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 So we went from having a frame with 3 skills that don't scale well to all 4? Frost needed a buff, not a nerf. Freeze's change isn't a plus: Good players used it to their defensive advantage in it's current form. This change appears to kill that. Snowglobe is supposed to be a stationary bulwark: the proposed changes make it a speedbump at best No proposed changes to Icewave at all? That is literally his most useless skill and it gets to remain unchanged? This is truly one of those instances where Grineeer needs to come in and explain his vision for this frame... The suggestions here assert that Frost is going from a High defense/ low mobility/ poor scaling offense to Poorly scaling defense/ Low mobility/ Poorly scaling offense. If there is a plus here maybe he can point it out to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)wintersandman Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Even if you were to throw in a maxed Blind Rage into the mix (and mitigate it with Fleeting), at very max, 8540 HP really won't do quite enough if enough enemies are shooting at it. And I don't mean Wave 100 Defense enemies. I mean enemies in T3 Defense. Who says you need a frost to do t3 defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtus_Dei_Est Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 *sigh* What can we do? Frost mains will be mad no matter what is said or done. I wasn't there but this is probably how the Rhinos felt when Iron Skin was nerfed. Good for you! You should've moved on a while ago. ;) not the same, rhino iron skin granted god mode (like blessing now), then was nerfed / reworked , several times, until what we have today. the globe, is not by any mean like rhino skin before the nerf, you are open to moas and napalm damage, even if you ever did some nice t3 defense (i wont go as far as a t3 50 minutes survival), there is tmes when you are surrounded, and the globe cant protect you. i dont know what change i would propose for globe (i cant even understand how was OP, when blessing and molecular prime are still around) , but for certain not HP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravefire Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) I woulda cut to the chase much sooner, but your new avatar threw me off, buddy. Throws everyone off. I wish I had a frost one. Edited February 5, 2014 by Gravefire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormandreas Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Wrong. He is being nerfed. Frost is a very balanced frame. His globe isn't as allmighty as many think, as as soon as any enemy gets in at a high level, you're screwed.They are making Frost weaker. He is a necessary team member for Defence.... and they're making him worse... just like they did with Vauban.When I go online, I barely see any Vaubans now, and the same will happen for Frost...I've lost the very high respect I had for the Devs now, now that they are nerfing good frames, and leaving the weak ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mak_Gohae Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 It matters when something outside the AoE of Avalanche is filling you full of holes like swiss cheese while you're casting and unable to move or do anything. That applies to all AOEs, you need to pay attention and cast smartly. If this is the reason then all 4th skills should be sped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 like a baby in the night sky. I'm pretty sure you made up that metaphor on the spot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CephalonShy Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Who says you need a frost to do t3 defense? Now you definitely don't need him for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)lsu4life86 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) or they could have made it that the snow globe is impenetrable or any mobs that enter it are automatically frozen until its broken or and mobs inside of it get a DoT applied Edited February 5, 2014 by (PS4)lsu4life86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brynslustafir Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 All you're going to accomplish here is beating the bees-nest that is players who are upset by the potential change. So let them get upset. It's not my fault that they don't understand the changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Now you definitely don't need him for anything. He is needed for mastery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syle Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) ok if you are nerfing it to have limited health at least give it deflecting ability give frosts more movement speed to compensate for lowered survivability give his 1 aoe freeze give his 4 more range and more dmg and I think more dmg to his 2 - but its utter garbage anyway so might as well remove it obviously you want to change him into offensive warframe so buff his offense and mobility I think it would be fair if Scott would come out and explained on forums his vision to all the frames he is working on and the weapons that community is complaining about Edited February 5, 2014 by syle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemges Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 With fleeting exp frost will get extremely high damage output though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 So let them get upset. It's not my fault that they don't understand the changes. I respect your fortitude, but the change isn't even live yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CephalonShy Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) He is needed for mastery. Good point. Level and delete. Edited February 5, 2014 by MaxFable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leorion Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Anyone that says Deal with it : Get off the forums. Forums are here for us to voice our feedback, as long as something I love is going to be nerfed, then I will not deal with it. Frost is the defence frame, people use him for his defence ability. With this, he is requested and loved for it. However, now, it will greatly reduce that. IT'S HIS SPECIALTY in end game. All of his abilities are USELESS in anything above level 40. Snow Globe is the only thing. DO NOT CHANGE IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravefire Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I'm pretty sure you made up that metaphor on the spot... No. I just don't use a lot cause everyone's not intelligent enough to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazumha Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Didn't you see the nerf gun in Steve/Scott's office? Those are not made by nerf would just like to point that out. not picking on you just correcting I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeritol Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I understand and agree with the change to snowglobe. (mostly there is still a part that doesn't like it but ill get over it), however I would like to know if the new HUD will show health remaining of the snowglobe (and other affects like Ironskin) If so I have no problems with the idea. The numbers may need tweaking, but that is easy and impossible to tell until its tried out. The other two power changes seem like strict upgrades so I have zero complaints there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BETAOPTICS Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Well it sort of makes sense. I think Frost users never meant to use Continuity in the first place. Then again, I feel that 3500 hp is way too low value for it so while I sort of agree with this change, it still needs some serious compensation to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serialkillerwhale Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 i think that DE are trying to prevent some skill to be too op at later lvl - with this change people will have to search a new strategies and plan ahead. and not just spam one skill coughnonvatrinitycough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leorion Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Hello there, as an avid fan of Frost I would like to say my feedback. Do NOT change Snow Globe to health based. First of all, it makes no sense. Second of all, it is an already balanced ability. It blocks all attacks from out which include your own weapons or your team's weapons which means it cannot be just spammed. Enemies don't take damage, they still come in the globe and can still attack you with the same amount of damage. It is his ONLY balanced ability please DO NOT CHANGE IT. Please. The key word to note in this topic is : UTILITY. Because Utility > Damage. Always. Damage is not scaled good AT ALL in high level missions and so people have to rely on Utility. Every frame needs Utility. Snow Globe is Frost's utility and making it damage based will remove that. In high level missions enemies do so much damage and there is always a lot of them, so needless to say, it will become useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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