2000 Endo enough to motivate veterans to do the sorties ?

[Vicious_Vipa]

disclaimer:  I believe that "rewards" should not be the only reason for players to do the sorties because if this was the case, Warframe would really be an EXCLUSIVE farming (grind) game without any actual purpose and right to exist (... in a sense games like Overwatch exist where players play for the sake of playing the game).

But "should not"  does not mean that this really is not the case.

I think these are 2 aspects which would be interesting to discuss about.

Thanks for your opinions.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Vicious_Vipa

[chaotea]

You should change your tile so people actually know what your post is about. Dont have your title just be the first sentence in your post.

[KIREEK]

For me the gameplay is enough to make me do sorties, 2000 endo and a chance at a legendary core is also pretty good, over time you will get enough endo to make maxed mods and trade them to other users.

It really depends on your objective whithin warframe, for me it's pretty sweet and i have plenty of endo.

[LSG501]

endo rewards and drops in events for that matter are too low IMO.  Personally I think ALL endo rewards need to be increased by a factor of 5 or even 10. 

Reasons for why I think they're too low...

- the amount of endo we need to max out mods, especially primed ones (ignoring money side of things)

- the need to have multiple mods for things like shotguns due to not being able to use the same mod on sentinel weapons as main weapons

- the need to have multiple mods because we can't 'down tune' out high level mods to suit items when they're being levelled up.  Admittedly this is lessened as you get to higher MR but it can cause issues. 

- In my experience drop rate for endo is considerably lower than any other resource outside alertium resources and argon.  The recent nerf, sorry I mean correction to the drop tables recently was too much of  a reduction in endo drops.

- There needs to be a balance between farming required for new players (there's A LOT) and adjusting to try and run out all the stuff the long term players have received in the past.  At the present moment it feels more like the dev's are focusing on the later. 

- Endo drop rate doesn't even appear to increase as you go after higher level enemies... it really should as the higher levels usually mean higher level players who need more endo to do their mods etc....

 

Also the new ayatan addition doesn't compensate for the recent change in the drop tables because you need to spend money to get this converted to endo...which considering how much you get from the conversion is rather expensive considering how much we get in credit rewards (which I also think could do with doubling as they're too low IMO).

Edited October 10, 2016 by LSG501

[AdunSaveMe]

You know what would motivate me to do sorties? Interesting sorties.

[------Solo------]

This was already discussed when we still had the old system with Cores, in other words, deal with the things you got in front of you.

[Vicious_Vipa]

4 minutes ago, PrimeDCookieMonstah said:

This was already discussed when we still had the old system with Cores, in other words, deal with the things you got in front of you.

recent "events" have shown that DE reads and hears players' opinions here.
Just 2 examples:  vacuum and endless missions.

So I think it's a good idea to discuss things here - no matter how old this thing is.

Sorties have to change. Either become "more interesting themselves" or get "more interesting rewards".

Edited October 10, 2016 by Vicious_Vipa

[Naftal]

Only time I do sorties is it they release something new (mastery) through it.

The only rewards worth the time doing 3 missions are 4k endo and legendary core.

Sorties should never have things like lenses or old weapons or nezha as a reward. Lenses should be in some noob content anyway, old weapons can be released through baro and nezha can be put anywhere.

Since it's a daily you can't farm, it should have a guaranteed decent reward. Not 99% chance of getting S#&$.

[Urlan]

No, I don't believe 2000 endo is much of a reward honestly, but its the low reward for bad luck or getting all the real rewards for the sortie season. I did like the weekend where each sortie run gave the fusion cores (as they were then) but sadly that didn't stay as a feature. Still, for some just getting introduced to sorties, 2000 - 4000 endo is a good amount; just because its not that useful to me as a reward doesn't mean it isn't a treasure for them who might really be the target audience for it.

[ashrah]

i play what i like no matter of rewards....i get dally 5000-10k endo i am ok with that

[Nocam]

1 hour ago, AdunSaveMe said:

You know what would motivate me to do sorties? Interesting sorties.

Pistol only defense.

Pistol only Kela de Thaym Assassination.

F*** that noise.

[Icpmcp]

There is no real rason for me to play sorties.

I can only play rarely with others due to my connection and getting 2000 endo again with no real chance on that legendary core is just not worth it.

In the time I finish all 3 sorties with randoms(I have no one to actually coordinate sorties with) I could've done something better.

Like leveling a frame I don't like to 30 and airlocking it.

[MystMan]

The 2k-4k is fine with me. In the long run, it stacks up nicely. When a new R10 mod is released, I will by then have more than enough endo to max it. Every little bit helps, it's not like sorties take a huge amount of time to finish each day.

I honestly never ever specifically farmed for fusion cores / endo. I got crazy plenty of them by just playing the game having fun my way. I have no reason to change that.

The sorties themselves, I like them. They make me think outside of the box, out of my comfort zone. I end up trying frames and weapons and mod setups I have never done before.  Sortie rewards?  I don't care can't hear you. I'm too busy having fun.

[Nocam]

Just now, Icpmcp said:

There is no real rason for me to play sorties.

I can only play rarely with others due to my connection and getting 2000 endo again with no real chance on that legendary core is just not worth it.

In the time I finish all 3 sorties with randoms(I have no one to actually coordinate sorties with) I could've done something better.

Like leveling a frame I don't like to 30 and airlocking it.

I've solo'd some of the Sorties. If I'm online when you are, we could always team up. For high level content like that, I either run Radial Blind Excal with a 4 Forma, Crit Dex Sybaris, or a Rhino with Jat Kittag, Crushing Ruin, and enough Corrosion and Blast damage to send things flying or keep em down.

[AdunSaveMe]

25 minutes ago, Nocam said:

Pistol only defense.

Pistol only Kela de Thaym Assassination.

F*** that noise.

Yeah, that. I'm not going to want to do sorties if they keep being high level enemies with some random gimmick modifier, like level 80 excavation sniper-only. It's not fun, and tacking a bigger reward onto it isn't going to make it fun.

[Icpmcp]

17 minutes ago, Nocam said:

I've solo'd some of the Sorties. If I'm online when you are, we could always team up. For high level content like that, I either run Radial Blind Excal with a 4 Forma, Crit Dex Sybaris, or a Rhino with Jat Kittag, Crushing Ruin, and enough Corrosion and Blast damage to send things flying or keep em down.

Yeah my main problems are that I can only play on some rare weekends(yesterday was one of these).

And most of the recommended Frame builds like savage silence Banshee don't work for me. I just die with them. Problem is that my build that I can survive with ruins Banshee(and also Sayrn/Prime)

Edited October 10, 2016 by Icpmcp

[Nocam]

1 minute ago, Icpmcp said:

Yeah my main problems are that I can only play on some rare weekends(yesterday was one of these).

And most of the recommended Frame builds like savage silence Banshee don't work for me. I just die with them. Problem is that my build that I can survive with ruins Banshee(and also Sayrn/Prime)

It's recommended that people use Daikyu as MR fodder. I use Daikyu for killing Grineer on Sedna.

Recommended builds are only recommendations by others. Go with what you feel works for you. Like me and my Daikyu. The fact Oberon is one of my favorite Frames.

[DAWGUNITALPHA]

Sorties are just generally not fun. The modifiers and game modes basically decide whether or not I'll even bother with them. If it's a spy or rescue I'm just not going to play that day. Why? Well Spy missions suck without cyphers. The little mini games aren't fun at all, stealth is janky at best especially on the corpus maps and if by some unfortunate chance I'm playing with randoms inevitably one of them will screw it up and fail the mission. Rescue on the other hand just sucks because they don't scale up the target very well so trying to escort the paper mache man through swarms of toxin, scorches and nullifiers is just awful.

As for the modifiers? Sniper Only is misery. This game has no good snipers. Eximus Stronghold on an infested map is just no fun because it's no power hour thanks to all the parasitic eximus. The rest range from situationally nightmarish, like super armor grineer for mission 3 where my whole team was just shaving off tiny bits of health from them with a full set of corpro and some spiffed up heks. Or completely unnoticeable, like the reduced energy one 90% of the time it shows up.

Rewards on the other hand? I guess it's nice they guarantee you get some stuff, like the wrath weapons. But I'm mostly just trying to collect them for mastery. Maybe I'd care more if legendary cores had better rates or were guaranteed. As much as I need endo, I don't really care about it as a reward. I still don't have nezha and don't really feel bothered to get it, either.

[Nocam]

8 minutes ago, DAWGUNITALPHA said:

Sniper Only is misery. This game has no good snipers

Lanka is actually worth it.

[Icpmcp]

6 minutes ago, Nocam said:

It's recommended that people use Daikyu as MR fodder. I use Daikyu for killing Grineer on Sedna.

Recommended builds are only recommendations by others. Go with what you feel works for you. Like me and my Daikyu. The fact Oberon is one of my favorite Frames.

Its just that while I'm able to survive with these builds(They always have vitality, redirection and vigor in them. Except for Inaros where its just Vitality and vigor) it cripples most frames when it comes to modding out abilities to a point where using them won't make a difference(Banshee and Sayrn are just energy sinks as their abilities do next to nothing. Valkyr is an energy sink now too sadly. I keep all 3 only for fashion by now)

[Nocam]

5 minutes ago, Icpmcp said:

Its just that while I'm able to survive with these builds(They always have vitality, redirection and vigor in them. Except for Inaros where its just Vitality and vigor) it cripples most frames when it comes to modding out abilities to a point where using them won't make a difference(Banshee and Sayrn are just energy sinks as their abilities do next to nothing. Valkyr is an energy sink now too sadly. I keep all 3 only for fashion by now)

I don't have the problems you have, then. At least, I don;t think I do.

[Icpmcp]

9 minutes ago, Nocam said:

I don't have the problems you have, then. At least, I don;t think I do.

Tbh I think I'm the most S#&$ty player there can be.

I build all of my frames for survivability, most of my wepaons have Viral on them because it just feels like it helps me more than corrosive, I only very rarely use melee and none of my weapon builds contain acolyte mods.

I can hit more enemies directly with an Ogris with heavy cal than with a Dex Sybaris. I'm not even joking. ^_seriously

Edited October 10, 2016 by Icpmcp
hellodarknessmyoldfriend

[Nocam]

I've never even seen an acolyte mod and all of mine are modded for survivability, yet both my Ivara and Excalibur have over 300 Power.

I run Viral with Heat. Viral Proc cuts life in half, heat ticks away their life.

Some people have better aim. That's all.

[BlackCoMerc]

2 hours ago, Vicious_Vipa said:

disclaimer:  I believe that "rewards" should not be the only reason for players to do the sorties because if this was the case, Warframe would really be an EXCLUSIVE farming (grind) game without any actual purpose and right to exist (... in a sense games like Overwatch exist where players play for the sake of playing the game).

But "should not"  does not mean that this really is not the case.

I think these are 2 aspects which would be interesting to discuss about.

Thanks for your opinions.

NOTHING is enough to motivate me to do Sorties, in their current state:

-Broken enemy scaling. You dont fight. You cheese with CC or die in one shot to even grunt level enemies. Its not as if Sorties are at all FUN or ENJOYABLe.

-TERRIBLE rewards: Oh look; more Endo. That I dont need. Or ONE weapon part. For a set I will never manage to complete. Or worse, a common Lens, when I can buy a better one after two trades for Plat from the market.

As an end game endeavor, Sorties are absolutely pathetic, and I have no intention of ever running another one unless they fix the disaster that is enemy scaling in Warframe.

[(PSN)B0XMAN517]

Many players in my situation, or "vets", have more endo than they know what to do with, that's part of why they feel aimless with this game. For me no. I have around 200k endo and don't need anymore.

Edit: Literally the only reward on the list I want is a lens I can buy off someone for 5p. If I'm playing Sorties, it's usually only when they're survival or defense missions (for funs sake).

Edited October 10, 2016 by (PS4)B0XMAN517