Carnage2K4 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) Well I'm utterly convinced there is an underlying mechanic governing relics now, I suspect that new relics like the ones with Oberon P. S&A P. etc possess a different algorithm for rolling, Either that or them being Radiant does not work. I've been rolling for 2 days now trying to get the new parts, always Rads, I've not seen a gold drop yet, almost exclusively Bronze with the occasional Silver. But then I enter a Lith survival just for tracers... Gold... Gold... Gold.. repeat until fissure time was up. In 3 Lith survivals (the same level), each going to about wave 30, we amassed 15 gold items, all of it stuff I have, Saryn BP, Nekros BP etc... but WTF... I can grind for 2 days not get a single gold on the new stuff with Radients!...but enter a random Lith to collect crap with Intact (three was probably a few higher relics in there but not 15 golds worth) and just get 15 golds almost in a row... and that's just counting the ones I could collect, many times we got 2 or 3 gold drops in a round... I'm 100% convinced the new relics and the old relics are not equal, either Radiant stats are not being applied (but then why all the gold on intact) or there is purposefully code to make sure new relics do not have a high chance to roll gold... Which I could understand them doing, but it should be disclosed, and I was to understand all relics have an equal chance with Radiant. At this point, after today, no amount of denial or argument would be able to persuade me otherwise, to me now, it's not even a debate topic, relics are not equal. Just 1 of the runs: Edited June 2, 2017 by Carnage2K4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaTheFinalBalance Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Not gonna read alll that but I get the gist of where your getting at. Better late than never, Welcome to probability math and Pure f'ing RNG, where logic is out and randomness and none consistencies are common place and where life seems to troll the ever living day light out of you. Enjoy your stay, Love RNGesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrayArchon Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) I've had strings of good luck like you've noted. Survival fissure missions with all intact relics giving the rare reward 4+ times in a row. I also had good luck on my radshares for Oberon Prime, getting all the parts in the first run. Rares too. Sometimes RNG just doesn't like you. EDIT: You know radshares have an AVERAGE of three tries to get the rare part, right? That doesn't mean three tries guaranteed. From what I've observed, the standard deviation on that is somewhat high. It's not uncommon for me to have to run 10 radshares to get the rare part. Edited June 2, 2017 by GrayArchon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage2K4 Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, AlphaTheFinalBalance said: Not gonna read alll that but I get the gist of where your getting at. Better late than never, Welcome to probability math and Pure f'ing RNG, where logic is out and randomness and none consistencies are common place and where life seems to troll the ever living day light out of you. Enjoy your stay, Love RNGesus 11 minutes ago, GrayArchon said: I've had strings of good luck like you've noted. Survival fissure missions with all intact relics giving the rare reward 4+ times in a row. I also had good luck on my radshares for Oberon Prime, getting all the parts in the first run. Rares too. Sometimes RNG just doesn't like you. It's not just RNG, There is absolutely an extra underlying mechanic going on, the "pure RNG" response is pure delusion. It's statistically very clear... I don't mean to sound rude, but given the results I just witnessed, "pure RNG" is not possible. If I took those results in to my statistics lecturer and said it was pure randomness, I would be laughed at... Edited June 2, 2017 by Carnage2K4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katinka Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I had a couple of rares drop from my Radiants on my first day of Oberon Prime farming. Sadly they were the Relics I needed Uncommons from... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heckzu Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage2K4 Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Heckzu said: Edited June 2, 2017 by Carnage2K4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobistober Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I've had lith relics give me nothing but 1 common part out of the 3 a dozen times in a row. Even switched to meso and neo relics and come back to the lith only to continue getting the exact same common part. I get the whole 'RNG!' cop out, but it makes you question the algorithm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Cynicaid Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Axi O1 is my current cursed relic. About 15 Radiant Share runs and haven't seen a single System. This one relic has eaten all of the preparations I made beforehand, and I have only have some Formas and ducat fodder to show for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miser_able Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 It is rng. Because if it was some underlying system it would be happening all the time to everyone, and yet it doesn't. The most rares I've ever had in one mission was 3, and that was a 60 wave defense. Quite a few people get even less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorClipClop Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 It's random. Some Tenno get that rare drop on their first try. Some get it incidentally when squading up with others (that's how I finished Nekros Prime). Some never get it no matter how much they grind. It's all luck. It looks like fortune just isn't favoring OP today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joe03827 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Gotta love RNG amirite. I got Oberon and Sybaris sets easily but im struggling getting uncommon parts for silva and aegis (I got a gaurd in a random neo fissure lel). It's just RNG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeoxz Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Well somebody missed statistics class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaius Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I've had days where out of 120 waves over multiple mission only yielded commons and a few uncommons dispite using up 11 radiants over those 120 waves. Then the next day I pick up 3-4 rares over 5 waves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urlan Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I have had similar experiences with relics. Perhaps the relics are weighted rolls and that weighted variable is modifying the random roll? To be fair, the drop chances for the relics even while upgrading them are very low in my experience, but again that could be a weighted system making the relics less than useful; would be lovely to now if that was the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMazulia Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Just the other day I was trying to get Nekros Prime Neuroptics and I only had 2 relics for it. Used both of them. Ended up getting two Fragor Prime BPs, which was a rare drop. Not sure if I was lucky or unlucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currilicious Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Rngesus is fickle. While hunting for a Forma either no one rolls one or I get the Forma roll but teammate rolls a rare. If I go radiant targeting something specific, best thing I can get is usually the Forma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 best thing to do is just assume that what you want is the hardest thing to get, because 9 times out of 10, it is. luckiest drop so far was Oberon Prime Systems, but haven't had much luck since then. fortunately a Clanmate came forward with the Sybaris Barrel I needed and a bunch of other stuff. now I just need two very rare parts : Oberon Prime Helmet and S&A Prime Guard.. must make sure I give unto the void tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daktaro Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 5 hours ago, LordMazulia said: Just the other day I was trying to get Nekros Prime Neuroptics and I only had 2 relics for it. Used both of them. Ended up getting two Fragor Prime BPs, which was a rare drop. Not sure if I was lucky or unlucky. meanwhile i lost count of how many radiants i've done for the fragor bp and got none, but have multiple nekros neuroptics ; - ; it's just rng... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitus123 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 RNG is a fickle mistress my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kintair Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Throwing your arms in the air and shouting "RNG" can only go so far. When you consistently get more rare drops from intact Liths than you do radiant Axis you have to start wondering. Yes, you can handwave it all as statistical anomalies, but if there IS something wrong under the hood it'd be nice for it to be found and fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LycanPT Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) I notice this and I do long runs for a long time, if is about the party and relic combination, to a point it is RNG, but it is not per run but rather per session. this happens way too often: get nothing for rads and rares for intacts, rares for intacts usualy come in a 3-5 streak. Also if you start doing radshares and it drops like 2 gold in a row, STICK TO THE PARTY, you will get rares every round. Last day I had always 2 rares per radshare staying in the same party (always 2) and sometimes I have 5 radshare runs with the same rewards in the same order with the same people, I will start to screenshot to expose it is not as RNG as people think Edited June 3, 2017 by LycanPT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser_Suoh Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I miss old key system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage2K4 Posted June 3, 2017 Author Share Posted June 3, 2017 11 hours ago, Jeoxz said: Well somebody missed statistics class. Say you do 20 rounds of a mission and get 15 gold. Then do 20 rounds of another mission and get all bronze. Compleatly ignoring the fact that you've altered the latter to have statistically higher chance to get gold... What would be the statistical conclusion you would have to come to? Because that's what I'm looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)theframpton5 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 After the new prime items became available this week (on ps4) my first 2 runs yielded the new prime parts from the relics. I have done 8 runs since and haven't seen any of the new prime parts. I have been using both radiant and nonradiant relics. I am taking a certified quality technicians course and currently we are at a point where we are discussing using rng for sampling. There probably isn't any underlying conspiracy here, it is just a random chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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