What is a God Roll Riven?

[Carnage2K4]

On 2017-12-21 at 7:39 AM, (XB1)HypeR SnipE x said:

I wanted to get an informed view of what is a God Riven?

I've been told multiple answers and yet when I go to advertise a Riven I get of that stature I am told it I should not a God roll.

 

just looking through the market trade people say a God Roll is 2 +'S and 1 negative.

But does that rule out rivens I have rolled to have 3+'S for example ; +CRit Damage +Status Chance +Crit Chance.

To me the above I said a God Roll, however when advertising I am told it is not as it has no negative, surely no negative with no bad affect on the gun is what makes a God roll?

 

Please could I get a reply to what you think a God Riven is.

Thanks.

I see a few people saying and up-voting that it's a personal choice type thing... lol, it's not, a riven can be evaluated, and you can get a "god tier" Riven for a crappy weapon.
You may find that you cannot get a god tier Riven for a 1 distribution weapon like the Tigris, as the Stat Grade is just too low to be worth using.
However there is the problem of Riven sellers calling any old crap a "god tier" Riven, it's pretty easy to see that they are not. God tier Rivens are as rare are the name implies and the reason I will explain below via my Riven evaluation system.

I use 2 main points to decide how good a riven is:
Stat Set: This is the 2-4 actual stats listed on the riven, Crit Damage, Attack Speed etc..
Stat Grade: This is the overall Grade of each Stat in the Stat Set, every stat has a maxium and minimum it can be, so this is the rating of where it sits on that range.

Part one; Stat Set
The Stat Set is a bit malleable it depends on the weapon, how you use the weapon and the weapons attributes.
Take for example the Scoliac, using Semlar.com's stat popularity statistics we can see what is likely the best Stat Set to get for the Scoliac:

So say Range, Slide for Crit and and Elemental (electricity), getting those 3 with a negative like Status Duration is part 1 of a "god like" riven.

Part two; Stat Grade
The Stat Grade is a set range, it is not a personal preference or variable.
Again using Semlar.com we can see the possible range of each stat in the stat set (this is related to the Riven Distribution of the weapon)

So a "god like" riven would look like this for the Scoliac:

160-160.5% Range
Slide Attack has 120-120.7% chance to be a Critical Hit.
120-120.7% Electricity Damage
-88% Status Duration

This has a little bit leeway, getting Attack Speed or Critical Chance is fine, but the stats need to be high for it to be a god tier Riven for me.
You can also use the Samodius bot Many Discord Servers use to calculate Stat Grade by loading in an image of your riven with "$g" in the text and you'll get something like this:

As you can see this Opticor is just on the edge of "god tier" for it's Stat Grade and Stat Set, if that Crit Damage was a little higher...
I would want to see A+ or S on each Stat to consider this to be a God Teir Riven.

Edited May 13, 2018 by Carnage2K4

[Klokwerkaos]

On 2017-12-20 at 3:18 PM, (XB1)HypeR SnipE x said:

Thanks for the fast response, it's something that is thrown out in the Market Chat a lot, and you've helped me understand it's just a marketing strategy.

It's not jist a marketing strategy, there are some weapons that need certain traits to be of better function.  For example, if you look at a Tigris riven, lots of people try to get damage and ms, but really the only thing you can replace in a proper 100% status Tigris build is shred which has pt and reload, anything is a direct downgrade.  Getting a riven that has pt and rs on it plus ms and a harmless neg is the god roll for that weapon because it is the most powerful meta combo you can functionally manage.  That said the term general means "the most powerful combo" for the riven, but because people are ignorant and don't understand nodding very well a lot of unscrupulous people use the term to describe any good riven on the surface to help part fools from their plat.  It's not exactly the most ethical way to trade, but it's also inevitable that the stupid and ignorant will get ripped off in anything but a socialist utopia where everything is provided and there are limitless resources.  That said, if you don't know what the god roll for the riven is that you need, don't buy it for a jacked price just because someone says it's a god roll... and really it also depends too on what you are doing with the riven.   For me the ignis riven I bought I got pretty cheap because what I was after wasn't for top dps, which would be a waste since am ignore wrath isn't a super high damage weapon... instead it was designed for low level clearing because I know how much dps I need to melt faces on the star chart vs eso, and in eso there are better weapons with other riven to use.  So it's not always about what is "the most damage" because sometimes riven are about utility.  Good riven traders know this which is why you can see Lanka and castana rivens selling at high prices without any sort of good roll, because they know the value of the weapons utility and it's not necessarily about following the current meta to provide value.  In short, what you said isn't untrue, but it's more complicated than that.

[(XBOX)O Minato G]

The reason having a negative on a god roll riven is good is because of riven disposition having that one negative with a gun that has a high disposition greatly boosts the positives for example if the riven was 80% crit chance 80% crit damage 80% stat chance -40% fire rate and it was put on a weapon with a high disposition then those stats would get boosted to like 200% bad example but it gets the point across

[(XBOX)ECCHO SIERRA]

On 2017-12-20 at 3:09 PM, (XBOX)HypeR SnipE x said:

I wanted to get an informed view of what is a God Riven?

I've been told multiple answers and yet when I go to advertise a Riven I get of that stature I am told it I should not a God roll.

 

just looking through the market trade people say a God Roll is 2 +'S and 1 negative.

But does that rule out rivens I have rolled to have 3+'S for example ; +CRit Damage +Status Chance +Crit Chance.

To me the above I said a God Roll, however when advertising I am told it is not as it has no negative, surely no negative with no bad affect on the gun is what makes a God roll?

 

Please could I get a reply to what you think a God Riven is.

Thanks.

First of all its a subjective question. There is no "official" answer but imo the best answer is, a "perfect" riven. 

3 relevant stats and a free neg. 

You dont want crit stats on a status weapon for example.

+ crit chance + multishot +crit damage-zoom for example would be considered a god roll on a lot of weapons. 

No neg = not a god roll. no exceptions.

A bad neg = NOT a god roll. No exceptions.

1 or more irrelevant positives even if the neg is good and the other stats are good = not a god roll. No exceptions.

Every time you roll a riven youre hoping for a bunch of dice rolls to land in your favor at once.

Does it even have a neg?

Is it a good neg or a bad neg?

Does it have 3 stats or 2?

Are all of those stats relevant to the weapon or  is even 1 useless like +zoom?

And then what are the grades on those stats?

[shut]

1 hour ago, (XBOX)O Minato G said:

The reason having a negative on a god roll riven is good is because of riven disposition having that one negative with a gun that has a high disposition greatly boosts the positives for example if the riven was 80% crit chance 80% crit damage 80% stat chance -40% fire rate and it was put on a weapon with a high disposition then those stats would get boosted to like 200% bad example but it gets the point across

 

7 minutes ago, (XBOX)ECCHO SIERRA said:

First of all its a subjective question. There is no "official" answer but imo the best answer is, a "perfect" riven. 

3 relevant stats and a free neg. 

You dont want crit stats on a status weapon for example.

+ crit chance + multishot +crit damage-zoom for example would be considered a god roll on a lot of weapons. 

No neg = not a god roll. no exceptions.

A bad neg = NOT a god roll. No exceptions.

1 or more irrelevant positives even if the neg is good and the other stats are good = not a god roll. No exceptions.

Every time you roll a riven youre hoping for a bunch of dice rolls to land in your favor at once.

Does it even have a neg?

Is it a good neg or a bad neg?

Does it have 3 stats or 2?

Are all of those stats relevant to the weapon or  is even 1 useless like +zoom?

And then what are the grades on those stats?

Yall realize you're responding to comments from literally 4 and a half years ago, right?

[Zimzala]

9 minutes ago, shut said:

Yall realize you're responding to comments from literally 4 and a half years ago, right?

The data is still applicable, it has not magically changed because of time, you realize that, right?

[shut]

1 hour ago, Zimzala said:

The data is still applicable, it has not magically changed because of time, you realize that, right?

And?

[Deifrost]

"God rolls" are just the ideal stats on the right weapon, and the ideal stats vary from weapon to weapon. For instance with an incarnon weapon you'd want 3 ideal stats and specifically negative crit chance.  Since the incarnon weapons benefit from non-crits. Or the ideal roll on Vectis with depleted reload/primed chamber build would be cc/cd/multishot -negative magazine capacity. Treat every weapon on a case by case basis.   

[damongautama]

I agree with most of what has been said here. For me a god roll is 2+, 2+ 1-, or 3+ 1- with the negative being minor or meaningless, and the positives fitting the weapon. I have a Tonkor riven that is +CC, +CD, -Impact. For me, that is god roll because it gets CC above 100% (making Hunter Munitions more reliable) and massively increases Crit damage (making Hunter Munitions more deadly).

I find what matters is the context. If someone in a Youtube video mentions that they are using a god roll riven on a build, I believe them. It is a clearly descriptive way of letting me know that my experience using the weapon might be a bit different. If someone selling a riven calls it god roll, I find that completely meaningless.

[Yakhul]

woah! such necro post!

But my take: A god Roll riven to me is a riven rolled with stats that WORKS for the weapon. Some weapons need more of one stat than other, not everything is gonna be crit damage and crit chance. heck, i had better results on some weapons with more multishot and more front damage than critical chance and damage.

[PR1D3]

On 2017-12-20 at 3:15 PM, Ryim_Drykeon said:

No such thing. The name is only click-bait for trade chat. The actual thing is subjective to each and every player.

It really is. It's honestly a marketing thing to throw on a ridiculous price tag. I've bought rivens off of people that I considered 'god tier'/perfect stats for my specific build at the time and they sold it for nothing. If anything I would say that there is sort of a standard that revolves around pure 'meta' damage output that revolves around crit, damage, and multishot and a negative like -zoom. Most of everything else is treated as trash. Ignore it and don't fall for gougers' tricks.

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

1 hour ago, PR1D3 said:

It really is. It's honestly a marketing thing to throw on a ridiculous price tag. I've bought rivens off of people that I considered 'god tier'/perfect stats for my specific build at the time and they sold it for nothing. If anything I would say that there is sort of a standard that revolves around pure 'meta' damage output that revolves around crit, damage, and multishot and a negative like -zoom. Most of everything else is treated as trash. Ignore it and don't fall for gougers' tricks.

It's really not. You're confusing an uninformed player calling something a groll when it's not. 

Even if you didn't want it or don't prefer the stats.....rolling a CC CD MS -zoom is incredibly rare. 

If you instead wanted a CD CC FR - that's still a groll based in your preferences, but both examples are grolls because they're just rare.

For a Phenmor or Laetum (another example)....some may want MS DMG FR -CC while another may want MS DMG TOX -CC. Both are very unlikely to be rolled so easily and follow the basic +++- formula. 

But yes....I've seen inexperienced players call something a groll just because it had FR PUNC RELOAD -zoom when we all know that's not a groll.

[PR1D3]

1 hour ago, (PSN)Madurai-Prime said:

It's really not. You're confusing an uninformed player calling something a groll when it's not. 

Even if you didn't want it or don't prefer the stats.....rolling a CC CD MS -zoom is incredibly rare. 

If you instead wanted a CD CC FR - that's still a groll based in your preferences, but both examples are grolls because they're just rare.

For a Phenmor or Laetum (another example)....some may want MS DMG FR -CC while another may want MS DMG TOX -CC. Both are very unlikely to be rolled so easily and follow the basic +++- formula. 

But yes....I've seen inexperienced players call something a groll just because it had FR PUNC RELOAD -zoom when we all know that's not a groll.

Except that it is and your response still supports the overarching point we made of it being personal preference. And in the part of the community that exists within the cesspool that is Trade Chat it's a ridiculous descriptor that rocks between the silly and the incomprehensible.

[(PSN)slightconfuzzled]

A God Roll Riven is when Zeus, Athena, Heimdall or any other kind of deity is hanging ten with a sweet onshore breezy, but maybe the water is a bit too choppy, and they ends up in a River after doing a sick barrel roll. Stoked dudes call that a gnarly god roll riven! 

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

1 hour ago, PR1D3 said:

Except that it is and your response still supports the overarching point we made of it being personal preference. And in the part of the community that exists within the cesspool that is Trade Chat it's a ridiculous descriptor that rocks between the silly and the incomprehensible.

It's not completely personal as there's still desirable stats involved that literally give you more mod space..... allowing you to free up your build for anything else you want. Mods that you'll never get in game anywhere else.

Can you help explain how a +puncture +impact +reload speed -zoom is a groll just because you personally wanted that?

[cute_moth.npc]

+Multishot

+Fire rate 

+Damage

-Projectile Speed (as much reduction as possible)

For STUG

[Pakaku]

God rolls are overrated, it's all about the Devil's rolls

[Tiltskillet]

8 minutes ago, cute_moth.npc said:

+Multishot

+Fire rate 

+Damage

-Projectile Speed (as much reduction as possible)

For STUG

Ah yes, classic. 

 

[cute_moth.npc]

1 hour ago, Tiltskillet said:

Ah yes, classic. 

 

Whoaoaaoaaoa someone actually has my dream riven?!

I've been trying for like 200 rolls now to get -projectile speed ;_;

[Tiltskillet]

4 minutes ago, cute_moth.npc said:

Whoaoaaoaaoa someone actually has my dream riven?!

I've been trying for like 200 rolls now to get -projectile speed ;_;

Do you really want both RoF -and- multi? 10 stacks will happen fast.  Is the plan to stand in place and  spin?   Which, hey, that's cool.

 

[cute_moth.npc]

2 hours ago, Tiltskillet said:

Do you really want both RoF -and- multi? 10 stacks will happen fast.  Is the plan to stand in place and  spin?   Which, hey, that's cool.

 

No the plan is to do switch bombing with Titania like bird poop explosion!! I want to empty the magazine as fast as possible and have as much spam as possible!

I already have like.. 2 fully forma'ed Sporelacers with Pax Soar and I have a +cc +cd -pointless negative riven for these actually proper weapons for switch bombing, this is just for the memes.

...Almost every build I make now is a meme / weird / experimental. The game is literally too easy to actually stress trying to min max this stuff.

Edited December 1, 2022 by cute_moth.npc

[Tiltskillet]

10 minutes ago, cute_moth.npc said:

No the plan is to do switch bombing with Titania like bird poop explosion!!

Oh of course. :P

[cute_moth.npc]

1 minute ago, Tiltskillet said:

Oh of course. :P

I'm a grown up I get to make my own stupid calls ;_;

I can feel the judgement from here ><

[Tiltskillet]

5 minutes ago, cute_moth.npc said:

I'm a grown up I get to make my own stupid calls ;_;

I can feel the judgement from here ><

Haha, I hope that's a joke!  I play  Valk as a brachiating paralyzing strobelight paleo-nuke, so no judgement here.

[cute_moth.npc]

2 minutes ago, Tiltskillet said:

Haha, I hope that's a joke!  I play  Valk as a brachiating paralyzing strobelight paleo-nuke, so no judgement here.

Your words are terrifyingly big also that sounds really neat..