NIGHTWAVE is a failure

[(PSN)Onder6099]

1 hour ago, (PS4)Mono-Pop said:

My account is 130 days old, I am currently MR16.

One of , if not biggest, problems in WF.

[(PSN)Mono-Pop]

59 minutes ago, (PS4)Onder6099 said:

One of , if not biggest, problems in WF.

People... playing the game...?

[(PSN)Onder6099]

50 minutes ago, (PS4)Mono-Pop said:

People... playing the game...?

Playing or rushing? Don’t tell me that you got, in 130 days, enough Endo to have maxed necessary Mods and Forma to have decent builds on min 2 Frames and few weapons. I will not speak about tons of mechanics this game has.

[FlusteredFerret]

23 hours ago, Ax10mCRO said:

The thing is poorly thought out, and it's poorly executed.

Let's start with the poorly thought out part:

• We are forced into missions with "friends or clanmates" which "can't be changed by DE" which then were changed as seen yesterday when they messed up the 40 wave defense mission (also thanks for not giving us the red text not to waste time on it, I loved spending an hour in there,getting no reward and fidning out you swapped it)
• 5000 standing for profit orb with friends or clanmates (again that wonderful thing) locked behind rank 5 of SU standing, locked behind a standing cap based on my MR, you practically gave the middle finger to a lot of your playerbase right there.
• And now we got syndicate missions RUINED by people who simply rush through them without looking for insignias/marks because "hurr durr, gotta do my 10 missions for Nghtwave."

 

As for the poorly executed part, just look at all the bugs being reported, I won't even waste time typing those out.

 

It really feels as if this thing had so much potential that was wasted by devs making hasty decisions based on "OH MY GOD THIS IS GONNA BE SO COOL" instead of actually thinking about the aftermath.

Way to overreact!

Nightwave is far from a failure and the only bug I've seen reported on here was the glitched 60 minute survival mission.

While I can't say I prefer it to the old alert system, Nightwave has worked just fine for me so far.

Also not sure what "potential" you're talking about, as it was only designed to replace alerts. It wasn't meant to be new content as such, beyond the lore behind Nora Night and the Wolf (at least as far as WoSS is concerned...we will probably get new characters for the next event).

Also, if you want DE to see your "feedback" try posting it in the right section of the forum...not that your incoherent whining is going to give them much useful information. You might want to do a bit of research into how to give useful feedback first.

 

23 hours ago, Chewarette said:

Feel free to post this feedback where it belongs, aka in the "Nightwave Feedback" topic. It has a higher chance to be read when it's located in a topic they created exclusively for this purpose.

 

It never ceases to amaze me how many people are incapable of finding the other parts of the forum.

 

[Test-995]

19 minutes ago, (PS4)Onder6099 said:

Playing or rushing? Don’t tell me that you got, in 130 days, enough Endo to have maxed necessary Mods and Forma to have decent builds on min 2 Frames and few weapons. I will not speak about tons of mechanics this game has.

2 ranks below than MAX isn't that different, most frames works fine with least of 1 forma for aura, well, for weapons, idk, but 70pt isn't that big deal.

[(PSN)Mono-Pop]

24 minutes ago, (PS4)Onder6099 said:

Playing or rushing? Don’t tell me that you got, in 130 days, enough Endo to have maxed necessary Mods and Forma to have decent builds on min 2 Frames and few weapons. I will not speak about tons of mechanics this game has.

130 days dude?

That is a long time, I have 300 Eidolon shards and almost every single way bound passive unlocked.

I had Arbitration unlocked before day 60, easily. Endo has never been a problem for me. I have 7 frames with fully completed builds.

I don’t know why you’d think that would take someone years.

It’s not even like I rushed, like I explained before I figured just about everything out on my own. Didn’t join a clan till I was MR12. I used to farm the Teralyst with Ivara xD

Edited March 27, 2019 by (PS4)Mono-Pop

[-CdG-Zilchy]

7 minutes ago, FlusteredFerret said:

It never ceases to amaze me how many people are incapable of finding the other parts of the forum.

There's other parts of the forum? You mean not everything is supposed to go in General Main?

Damn I need to go rethink my life.

[Test-995]

2 minutes ago, Catastor said:

alert was flawed yes, but DE scraped them instead of working on them, this is lazy and uncreative and you guys are giving them a pass on every crap they keep feeding you.

I think... they tried to make a complete overhaul as better alerts...

[(PSN)TheDayDreamerr]

You must be a troll to not see the significance of the message hey? You read my message and only commented on the free battle pass on not the fact that i say it is pretty much the same as alerts but better...let me try explain it to you.

Alerts were a pointless mission run for a reward. Nightwave is a mission made less pointless as you have an objective to do for the reward.

Alerts had a certain amount of time to them to complete so you had to be online at that time to even have the chance to get the reward. Nightwave has a week timer for everything so you have enough time to do it at your leisure.

Alerts took forever sometimes to get your reward if you were even lucky enough to be online if the reward you wanted came up. Nightwave allows you to actually get the reward you wanted for your time. 

It's hidden behind a 'battle pass' as otherwise everything would become too common to get. This way you still have to decide whether or not you want one reward or another. How is that not better alerts?

Ps. Coding the umbra polarity leaves opening for future umbra frames and mods.

Edited March 27, 2019 by (PS4)TheDayDreamerr

[(PSN)Hikuro-93]

33 minutes ago, (PS4)TheDayDreamerr said:

You must be a troll to not see the significance of the message hey? You read my message and only commented on the free battle pass on not the fact that i say it is pretty much the same as alerts but better...let me try explain it to you.

Alerts were a pointless mission run for a reward. Nightwave is a mission made less pointless as you have an objective to do for the reward.

Alerts had a certain amount of time to them to complete so you had to be online at that time to even have the chance to get the reward. Nightwave has a week timer for everything so you have enough time to do it at your leisure.

Alerts took forever sometimes to get your reward if you were even lucky enough to be online if the reward you wanted came up. Nightwave allows you to actually get the reward you wanted for your time. 

It's hidden behind a 'battle pass' as otherwise everything would become too common to get. This way you still have to decide whether or not you want one reward or another. How is that not better alerts?

Ps. Coding the umbra polarity leaves opening for future umbra frames and mods.

Fellow Tenno, definetly a troll. This guy spends all his living time searching for threads to be toxic and complain about DE and Warframe, and telling others that they're whiners. He's farming rep.

He does that yet he's always here. I'm thinking that DE has him chained up somewhere to forcfully play the game because the poor guy apparently can't leave the game when it's not to his liking. He also claims that others are biased since he's tooootally not biased against DE. Yeah, how far fetched of an idea.

Also, everyone that has a different opinion is obviously wrong, yet his is always the right one. Just leave the poor thing alone, it'll save you you your health.

Edited March 27, 2019 by (PS4)Pauloluisx

[Marvelous_A]

5 hours ago, 0_The_F00l said:

"I should get all the rewards because I am entitled and used to get everything easy before this" is what you just said, well suck it up buttercup, can't always be easy. It's a good change cause you can choose the amount of effort you want to put to get a specific thing. 

Your second statement makes no sense, cause if you want to compare it to a job then the earlier alerts were like living off of gambling casinos or waiting in the streets hoping for someone to drop their wallet, you had very little control if you were going to eat anything that day unless you were truly lifeless and had absolutely nothing else to do. 

The current one is like having a proper stable job, you work you get paid and you can buy stuff with the money you make. You work hard you get overtime and bonus, you work just enough you get your regular pay, you don't work you get bupkiss. 

As to your actual question I have had a few job changes over the years, some changed due to the market conditions making my skills less relevant (software can do pretty much anything these days :)) , some cause I wanted to explore more options. 

Starting in a new field is always a little hard as compared to before, you need to build up expertise, make contacts and get used to the new normal.

But what determined my payout was my own effort and if I deemed it to be insufficient I would then ask to be compensated for it accordingly, 

 

If you believe that the amount of effort you put in for the nightwave challenges by you to get those rewards is not equal to the value of the reward, then you want to change the reward criteria,

please be clear on what you are actually expecting and we can find a way to get the system better aligned, that's the whole purpose of feedback and discussions. 

Blablabla basically you will make a good slave.

Same pay but more work? Just like one of those fools I mentioned.

Like seriously I'm sure with the same 1 week time you'd have get more rewards from alerts than redeeming stuff with the poor 50 wolf creds.

And you don't even need to work for the wolf creds. 

Edited March 27, 2019 by Marvelous_A

[0_The_F00l]

7 minutes ago, Marvelous_A said:

Blablabla basically you will make a good slave.

Same pay but more work? Just like one of those fools I mentioned.

And you will make a horrible gambler 🙂

Also a terrible worker I suppose. 

Post your edit:

That's true, if you only did alerts 24x7 you will likely have more. 

But us mere mortals need to earn a living for which we need to work and not play a game our entire time.

Edited March 27, 2019 by 0_The_F00l
Original quote edited

[Veridian]

Nightwave is not a failure but this thread sure is.

[Marvelous_A]

27 minutes ago, 0_The_F00l said:

And you will make a horrible gambler 🙂

Also a terrible worker I suppose. 

Post your edit:

That's true, if you only did alerts 24x7 you will likely have more. 

But us mere mortals need to earn a living for which we need to work and not play a game our entire time.

But it's okay to dedicate your time in completing challenges in consecutive 10 weeks to earn the otherwise unavailable rewards in a worse rate than before?

It's not like you get only 1 alert every 24 hours that lasts for only 10 minutes. 

But you're certainly getting only 50 wolf creds in 1 week at most which you can redeem hardly redeem one helmet at a time.

 

I'd have thought better of it if the rate of wolf cred was better. But 35 creds for a single helmet? Bah! 75 for one potato is clearly a noob trap.

Again, those who support the current Nightwave are those who didin't pay attention to Maths.

Edited March 27, 2019 by Marvelous_A

[Sajochi]

3 minutes ago, Marvelous_A said:

But it's okay to dedicate your time in completing challenges in consecutive 10 weeks to earn the otherwise unavailable rewards in a worse rate than before?

It's not like you get only 1 alert every 24 hours that lasts for only 10 minutes. 

But you're certainly getting only 50 wolf creds in 1 week at most which you can redeem hardly redeem one helmet at a time.

 

So you're just gonna ignore the prestige system when you max rank and get only wolf creds each level? Or are you completely ignoring nightwave? Because the daily stuff is just general things you do anyways. The weekly stuff can be knocked out in a short amount of time at your own pace. The elite stuff flips between ok and not good but are entirely optional. 

Sure, we should get more sources of creds besides leveling because that would help, but come on. It's like most people against the system conveniently ignore important points.

[Test-995]

18 minutes ago, Ver1dian said:

Nightwave is not a failure but this thread sure is.

So nightwave is mother of failure? because there is bunch of this kind of thread.

[--END--Rikutatis]

5 minutes ago, Marvelous_A said:

But it's okay to dedicate your time in completing challenges in consecutive 10 weeks to earn the otherwise unavailable rewards in a worse rate than before?

It's not like you get only 1 alert every 24 hours that lasts for only 10 minutes. 

But you're certainly getting only 50 wolf creds in 1 week at most which you can redeem hardly redeem one helmet at a time.

 

Stop being so short sighted. Nightwave is about accruing rewards over time. It'll only really show how worthwhile it was at the end once you have everything collected. On top of all the wolf credits you collect (which is quite a sum by the time you finish and you can even prestige the system to keep gaining more once you reach rank 30), there's also a ton of other valuable and unique rewards for ranking up, like the new mods, an arcane energize (worth at least 200 plat), the umbral forma, all the unique cosmetics, etc. 

Again, unless you were one of those with access to the game 24/7 and logging on every single time the off game bot gave you a warning for a relevant alert, Nightwave is actually a much more reliable way of getting the rewards at your own pace and with more variety in the challenges. 

[Marvelous_A]

Just now, Sajochi said:

So you're just gonna ignore the prestige system when you max rank and get only wolf creds each level? Or are you completely ignoring nightwave? Because the daily stuff is just general things you do anyways. The weekly stuff can be knocked out in a short amount of time at your own pace. The elite stuff flips between ok and not good but are entirely optional. 

Sure, we should get more sources of creds besides leveling because that would help, but come on. It's like most people against the system conveniently ignore important points.

With the time you complete challenges you can get plat instead. And with plat you can get most stuff. 

And people pay attention to the potatoes (20p) and formas (35p) but totally ignore they aren't going to earn free helmets (75p each) as fast as they used to?

[0_The_F00l]

1 minute ago, Marvelous_A said:

But it's okay to dedicate your time in completing challenges in consecutive 10 weeks to earn the otherwise unavailable rewards in a worse rate than before?

It's not like you get only 1 alert every 24 hours that lasts for only 10 minutes. 

But you're certainly getting only 50 wolf creds in 1 week at most which you can redeem hardly redeem one helmet at a time.

 

A few minutes everyday and maybe some hours every weekend? Sure that's reasonable for me. 

The thing about alerts is that they were highly unpredictable, one lucky person may get all he needs in a week, but unlucky ones will not see a potato alert for months. It's a lot more predictable now. 

Hmm yeah, the wolf credits could use some tweaking, but it's cosmetics collectors that will have issues, not affecting any core gameplay, unless you are a hard-core fashion frame enthusiast, in which case you need to suffer for your art 😄

Here's the scenarios:

New player : will be more concerned about getting weapons and slots and potatoes, maybe vauban but that's a few weeks away anyway. He is a horrible starting frame too. They can now get slots and potatoes for free at least once every season. And it's at a pretty low level . The aura slot to choose is "whatever fits my starter frame polarity". And again one can choose. 

Old players : will likely have most of the stuff already and not be concerned. But have something to do other than jump around the orbiter. We didn't really concern ourselves with alerts. After a certain point.

 

The point I am trying to make :

Getting some of what I want/need is better than waiting for stuff I may never get. 

[Sajochi]

Just now, Marvelous_A said:

With the time you complete challenges you can get plat instead. And with plat you can get most stuff. 

And people pay attention to the potatoes (20p) and formas (35p) but totally ignore they aren't going to earn free helmets (75p each) as fast as they used to?

 So what about the people that don't like trading and ignore it? Are they supposed to just suck it up and deal? Seriously, that argument is entirely unrelated. If the only rewards you care about are helmets and potatoes, then you have another way to get them that is actually more reliable than waiting for the alert to drop in the first place. If you don't like the option, you still have other ways.

[0_The_F00l]

6 minutes ago, Marvelous_A said:

With the time you complete challenges you can get plat instead. And with plat you can get most stuff. 

And people pay attention to the potatoes (20p) and formas (35p) but totally ignore they aren't going to earn free helmets (75p each) as fast as they used to?

That's totally fine,

up to you how you spend your time, 

Glad we agree you don't have to do any of the nightwave unless you want the exclusives (kinda). 

Once again helmets are cosmetics, cosmetics are the main source of plat sink for DE, 

Option to acquire them but not make it too easy seems pretty fair to me. 

[Marvelous_A]

11 minutes ago, --END--Rikutatis said:

Stop being so short sighted. Nightwave is about accruing rewards over time. It'll only really show how worthwhile it was at the end once you have everything collected. On top of all the wolf credits you collect (which is quite a sum by the time you finish and you can even prestige the system to keep gaining more once you reach rank 30), there's also a ton of other valuable and unique rewards for ranking up, like the new mods, an arcane energize (worth at least 200 plat), the umbral forma, all the unique cosmetics, etc. 

Again, unless you were one of those with access to the game 24/7 and logging on every single time the off game bot gave you a warning for a relevant alert, Nightwave is actually a much more reliable way of getting the rewards at your own pace and with more variety in the challenges. 

You know how we used to get new mods? Syndicates, Index, Arenas. A set of cosmetics cost you 100p (which is a price I'd pay anytime over dedicating my time for 10 weeks). 20p for the glyph. Free for the emote and emblems.

Or even better. An event like Buried Debt which is not going to replace an easy way to get what we used to get.

More like you are short sighted or not seeing things at all coz we could have get these stuff in a more sensible way instead of dedicating our time and do some other things in game.

I don't know which one is asking more time from you, a bunch of challenges that might ask you to login and do sorties for a consecutive week or some mission bois that cost you few minutes to complete.

Edited March 27, 2019 by Marvelous_A

[Maggituete]

I love how every thread about nightwave is at the personal insult-level on Page 3 at the latest.

Nightwave in my personal opinion is a good system with a lot of room to improve. I like the "challenges" they provide, cause i am a player that likes to spread his time in the game to do different things. Nightwave is perfect for that. So where can it be improved upon in this regard? Tough question for me, unless you make every challenge repeatable so that people can grind their favorite one? Haven't really thought about it.

The reward-restructure in comparison to the old one is again, not better or worse, but different. A player, who plays 6-10hours a day will get way less out of nightwave (except the "exclusives") than before. That's probably a fact. A player who has an hour or two of playtime and can't access a computer for 3am alerts (never bothered with these myself, still got a potato for everything i want and forma enough), might get way more out of nightwave cause he can do the challenges his time and motivation allows. And then there are new players, which apparently only i have difficulties in putting in a category?! Yes, the old alerts were pretty good for new players, but only if they had access to the starchart (i.E. Taxies or progress), but a new player didn't have access to an alert on sedna or eris without external help, so the easier nightwave challenges fit them pretty well (do 3 x missions come to mind).
Where does this leave the reward system in the end? Pretty subjective question. I for one play nightwave for the fun of it, not really for the rewards. I like progress, no matter how fake it is (and that's my fault as a player, i know that) and i like engaging with content i usually didn't play before. 1h-survival comes to mind, was never the "endurance"-player, but playing it it was quite fun. Same with the Lua-Challenge-Rooms. 
The one change i would like to see is a certain amount of wolf-Credits per level of nightwave instead of the chopped up portions we have now. Maybe some price-adjustments in the wolf-credit-shop aswell, didn't bother too much so far, as i have basically everything i want from it. Maybe even wolf-creds dropped by the wolf himself would be cool (as garanteed drop), because that fight seems to be a little underwhelming in terms of rewards for the time you need to chunk him down.

Is nightwave perfect? Hell no, absolutely not. Is there a huge room to improve upon nightwave? Absolutely. Does whining and throwing a tantrum help? Probably not. 

To the people who say the old alert system was better: How can nightwave in your opinion change to include the old alerts? How would you change the reward structure? Cause nightwave is probably here to stay for a while, we might aswell get constructive instead of only seeing things black or white and post some feedback (in the right sub-forum). 

[Marvelous_A]

13 minutes ago, Sajochi said:

 So what about the people that don't like trading and ignore it? Are they supposed to just suck it up and deal? Seriously, that argument is entirely unrelated. If the only rewards you care about are helmets and potatoes, then you have another way to get them that is actually more reliable than waiting for the alert to drop in the first place. If you don't like the option, you still have other ways.

By reliable you mean slow right? 75 creds for single potato? And 50 creds every week? I think to 30 tiers you get a Catalyst like...once only if you're not going to redeem for it.

But if you redeem it, then what about the Nitains? Vauban? Weapon blueprints? Dam I better go trading and earn all those plats for helmets if I care about cosmetics too.

Wow such a long way to go for you. Good I've got all these before Nightwave even dropped.

Edited March 27, 2019 by Marvelous_A

[Veridian]

10 minutes ago, Test-995 said:

So nightwave is mother of failure? because there is bunch of this kind of thread. 

Oh don't worry, they'll go away the second the next thing drops.

There's a good portion of people who find purpose in complaining, so every time something new comes out, they sharpen their knives, put on the rose tinted goggles and start bashing the new and praising the old.

For reference - every single new thing released. Ever.