(PSN)FK2P Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 So, DPS. Your probably doing one or two things. Killing trash mobs, or killing huge boss targets. Peacemakers are an exhalted ability, and so that means they deal pretty average damage- especially seeing as though they are guns, and don’t have a combo counter. Now, I hear that they have nerfed arcanes being stacked with exhausted weapons, which I think is pretty uncalled for, but that’s not my point here. This is. When I play MESA, I expect to be able to use my abilities, since warframes are designed to fill a roll. just like when I play NOVA, I expect to be able to slow everything down. When playing Mesa, I can’t target half of the relevant targets my warframe is designed to be built for. Capture targets, eidolons, the wolf of Saturn six, some bosses, and more. The problem with this game design is that self inflicting DPS warframes are then better for future updates. I can’t count on sonar BANSHEE to DPS in new updates, because I can’t paint targets onto anything... I can’t count on MESA in new updates because I can’t target anything they put in those updates besides trash mobs. I can’t count on NOVA to slow any of the content down. The warframes that really shine in new updates are those which inflict powers on themselves, rhino, revenant etc. This is not entirely DPS centric though, nothing gets trapped by vauban anymore, nothing is effected by terrify, it seems to me DE are confused by their game design... The CC side of this is another battle, but the DPS frames I would expect to see implemented and effective on all targets. Goals for this thread: Allow Mesa to target eidolon limbs, capture targets, mission invaders and large bosses. Allow banshee to paint targets on all threats. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)LoisGordils Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, (PS4)FK2P said: Peacemakers are an exhalted ability, and so that means they deal pretty average damage- especially seeing as though they are guns, and don’t have a combo counter Lol 5 minutes ago, (PS4)FK2P said: When playing Mesa, I can’t target half of the relevant targets my warframe is designed to be built for. Capture targets, eidolons, the wolf of Saturn six, some bosses, and more. Lmao 6 minutes ago, (PS4)FK2P said: Goals for this thread: Allow Mesa to target eidolon limbs, capture targets, mission invaders and large bosses. *flatlines from laughter* 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinKenshin Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 So....just because you have to use your weapons, actually play the game and move in like 95-99% of situations that makes PM a bad ability? Sorry but....grow up? this is purely redundant. We are OP as is, we don't need more power especially if it's this unnecessary 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzarugi Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 (edited) For a warframe whose 4 does "average damage", people seem to enjoy abusing the ever-loving daylights out of her ability and trivializing the game for them and any teammates they happen to wind up playing with. https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LimpSerpentineAfricanwilddog-mobile.mp4 Mesa needs a nerf more than anything, a reverse-Ember kinda nerf where she starts with terrible range and damage which goes up with sustained use. She doesn't need her brokenness extended to other aspects of the game that doesn't need to be trivialized further. Please consider the layers of dust gathering on your weapons and blow them off once in a while. Edited June 9, 2019 by Pizzarugi 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaero Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Pizzarugi said: Mesa needs a nerf more than anything She does, but not more than Saryn or Equinox. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzarugi Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Just now, Ksaero said: She does, but not more than Saryn or Equinox. They all equally need nerfs, but Mesa is the subject of this discussion, so she's the one getting brought up. 😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jujuwa Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Nice bait mate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLemon123 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 '' Peacemakers are a bad ability - because they limit the potential complexity of future content as they effortlessly dispatch everything in the most brain dead way imaginable''. Mesa is easily one of the most blatantly overpowered warframes in the game: she kills everything everywhere for a laughable energy cost, while having a constant, passive CC ability, while buffing her team's damage AND while having 95% damage reduction. Mesa, by virtue of her very existence, makes every brand new warframe that isn't outrageously powerful seem stupidly weak, and for good reason. If she was released today, she'd never be anywhere near as strong as she currently is, and will never be nerfed simply because of how popular she is. Asking for her to be buffed in ANY capacity besides her 1 is ludicrous. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GearsMatrix301 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Can we add ”Change Mesas name to Meta” to your list of changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)LoisGordils Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 New goal: Plz allow all warframes to instantly kill enemies and make them drop plat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CodyXSavageX Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 (edited) Mesa is ok, her main point for me is killing mobs anyway I don’t mind not having mesa as the designated boss killer it lets us have a reason to use Chroma and mirage I don’t care about banshee Edited June 9, 2019 by (PS4)CodyXSavageX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlachWolf Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 19 hours ago, (PS4)LoisGordils said: Lol Lmao *flatlines from laughter* Basically this, peace maker should just remain as it is. I myself hate it since it can wipe a whole room clean, but asking asking for it to affect eidolons and such would make it broken as hell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixues Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 How much more automation do you want? Next request: 'Please let Mesa auto run through the mission and use Peacemaker on everything.' I hope Peacemaker get nerfed instead. Mesa is one of the most annoying warframes to have on your team, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_Grenabe Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 That’s kinda how it works in this game. Big mass-kill abilities are applicable to roughly half the enemies: namely, the trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaoGarrent Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ham_Grenabe said: That’s kinda how it works in this game. Big mass-kill abilities are applicable to roughly half the enemies: namely, the trash. It's almost like AoE frames are designed to clear out the chaff and Mesa, Saryn, old Ember, etc, are doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. The shortsightedness of people on these forums is frankly astounding. I'll be here to remind people of what they caused if and when these frames get nerfed and the game reverts to "nobody matters but tanks and stealth," except with the addition of boss killer meta frames. Basically, if you're going to champion that we nerf Mesa, you'd better be damn well prepared for Chroma, Volt, Harrow and anyone else that's part of the Eidolon meta, as well as frames like Rhino, Inaros and Nezha who will dominate the survival/defense meta after those others are butchered by the nerf bat. Oh, and Atlas. But uh... People haven't figured out just how silly Atlas can be yet. So I'll give you all time to catch up on that one. Edited June 10, 2019 by XaoGarrent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_Grenabe Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 48 minutes ago, XaoGarrent said: It's almost like AoE frames are designed to clear out the chaff and Mesa, Saryn, old Ember, etc, are doing exactly what they're supposed to doing. Exactly my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)Sk0rp1on Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 When I first played Mesa I thought her peacemakers were broken because everyone died TOO fast! I kept getting confused when they stopped firing because I didn’t realized everyone was dead as hell. Its hilarious to me that her power is just an aim bot. My only problem is that I don’t have any Arcane Velocities so I can’t replicate Shy’s build from that video she made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawbeard Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 this has to be bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLemon123 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 26 minutes ago, moostar95 said: hildryn's 1 with prime pistol mods says hi. That one at least requires you to actually interact with the game in some capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotsender_Quasimir Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)LoisGordils Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 hours ago, moostar95 said: hildryn's 1 with prime pistol mods says hi. Hi, Hildryn with Primed Pistol mods! I hope you don't mean the Prime Critical mods, because your Balefire, that has a 5% critical chance and x1.5 critical multiplier, is beyond terrible if you mod it for crit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterOfMyOwn Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I don't like auto-aim, I don't like it at all. But IMHO Regulators should have tremendous headshot damages, but not overall high damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)LoisGordils Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, MonsterOfMyOwn said: I don't like auto-aim, I don't like it at all. But IMHO Regulators should have tremendous headshot damages, but not overall high damage. Peacemaker can't headshot. So your suggestion is a blatant nerf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)LoisGordils Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, moostar95 said: Hi, I have other dmg mods that go along with balfire. If you think I just build for crit. You thought wrong. Try again. 😄 Just building for crit on Balefire is bad. Not debatable. Simple math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)LoisGordils Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, moostar95 said: I love hildryn and her 1. But even I know just building for crit is a BAD idea. So why would you put Primed crit mods on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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