Xoris Interactions With Warframe Abilities & Exalted Weapons

[febehco]

Omg DE... We can get to 12/220x mutiplier with any melee weapon. Now they gonna say we can't use Warframe abilities when we reach to the max combo count? There's no difference at all if I am using a Reaper Prime or Xoris when it comes down to the damage output of those Warframe abilities, Xoris is just a CONVENIENCE choice, but IT IS NOT mandatory because we don't need it at all to deal damage, all the damage numbers that you claim its overwhelming from Xoris we already could reach before, so there's no such a thing as "Use Xoris or you doing it wrong" I don't know where the hell you guys heard it from. Xoris didn't boost at all the damage. Matter of fact, if you think this way then you may need to nerf Venka so... because this weapon can reach 13x multiplier and the damage output is way more "overwhelming" than this Xoris when you combine with those Warframe abilities. It's just unfair and not very smart.

[(PSN)ironfist_94]

3 hours ago, MunsuLight said:

So heard on Prime Time

 

• Xoris change is still going forward anyways.
• They'll be looking at other things that build the same way later on.
  • Khora: *chuckles* I'm in danger!

Really DE????? Like are you Really gonna kill frames (gara, atlas, khora) because of your damn stubborness ????  Without stat sticks those frames Will be unplayable. . 

You even said in the first post that you arent gonna nerf anything else ? ??

Our plan is not to nerf the base powers of the Warframes involved, or the Mods that amplify the issue (Blood Rush / Weeping Wounds / Gladiator Mod Set), as doing so isn’t fair as it’s a reaction to a single weapon. In turn, we have planned to only change the interactions with the Xoris directly. 

You are certainly good liars it seems

 

These interactions have been in the game since i started played the game  (950 days ago) and now you are trying to remove them ? It is chroma all over again. . ESO nerfing all the nuke frames again. ..im pretty sure you are using Steel path to nerf everything into the ground again and it sure does look like it with the highlighted comment

DE is constantly reaching new heights of incompetence. I saw an interesting theory in this thread that stated: (paraphrasing) DE is making this nonsensical nerf in an attempt to incentivize the use of Rivens and bolster the Riven market because it effectively generates them more revenue. They are a business after all so I wouldn't be surprised, but it seems counterintuitive to implement that on a playerbase that's already dwindling and unhappy.

[SpentCasings]

On 2020-07-01 at 10:55 AM, [DE]Megan said:

Greetings, Tenno!

Within The Deadlock Protocol Quest brought the Xoris: a Glaive weapon capable of chaining Melee Combos infinitely. The design intention behind the infinite combo mechanic was predominantly added for the Granum Void’s charged throw moments, to allow you to retain your charges until you were ready. This mechanic opened up new avenues for Melee builds to maximize this infinite Melee Combo Duration, which is great! 

However, the overwhelming Damage output of certain Warframe Abilities was not our intention with an infinite Melee Combo weapon, and the conversation of ‘Xoris or you’re doing it wrong’ is greatly restrictive in terms of player choice. This was our oversight, our mistake, and we apologize for the time it took to formulate a plan and address this. So let’s break down our plans:

Our plan is not to nerf the base powers of the Warframes involved, or the Mods that amplify the issue (Blood Rush / Weeping Wounds / Gladiator Mod Set), as doing so isn’t fair as it’s a reaction to a single weapon. In turn, we have planned to only change the interactions with the Xoris directly. 

The first issue: The Xoris’ infinite Melee Combo Duration directly amplifies the Damage output of certain Warframe Abilities that won't reset/decay unless you detonate the Xoris manually using heavy attack, or if you die. Thus scaling with Warframe Abilities that are amplified by your Melee Combo multiplier (Ash Blade Storm, Atlas Landslide, and Khora Whipclaw), and even more so when equipped with Blood Rush or Weeping Wounds.

The second issue: The interaction with the Xoris and Gladiator Mod Set for Warframe Exalted weapons. The Gladiator Mod Set bonus is being carried over from the equipped Melee to the Exalted Warframe weapons such as Baruuk’s Serene Storm, Excalibur’s Exalted Blade, Valkyr’s Talons and Wukong’s Iron Staff.

The solution: The change coming with The Steel Path Update is to have the affected Warframe Exalted Abilities / Exalted weapons reset the Melee Combo Counter ONLY if the Xoris is being used. What you’ll see now is the Critical Chance bonus applying to the first hit on abilities that are intended to scale with regular Melee Combo Multiplier, but then the Melee Combo is reset by the Ability, and does not apply to subsequent hits unless you build it up again with Xoris itself. Exalted Melee ultimates will reset the Xoris' Melee Combo Counter at the time of cast. As stated above, we are doing this because restricting your choice to a single weapon for indisputable best performance invalidates all others and such an interaction does not warrant changes to base Warframes as a whole. 

In conclusion, Warframe Abilities / Exalted Warframe weapons affected by this are:

• Ash Bladestorm
• Atlas Landslide
• Baruuk Serene Storm
• Excalibur Exalted Blade
• Khora Whipclaw
• Valkyr Talons
• Wukong Iron Staff

 

Special note: Gara’s Shattered Lash will now scale with Melee Combo Counter, to be consistent with Khora Whipclaw and Atlas Landslide. The same Xoris restriction will still apply.

TLDR: Certain Warframe Abilities and Exalted weapons will reset the Melee Combo Counter only if the Xoris is being used.

We’ll be continuing to observe how the Xoris interacts with the above when The Steel Path Update arrives in your hands, and our apologies again for the wait. 

Thank you!

Exhibit #3445758489497798745 that DE hates fun. 

 

I didnt even know this was a thing till you announced it...all 5 people that used this probably will dislike you...

[SpentCasings]

12 minutes ago, (PS4)ironfist_94 said:

DE is constantly reaching new heights of incompetence. I saw an interesting theory in this thread that stated: (paraphrasing) DE is making this nonsensical nerf in an attempt to incentivize the use of Rivens and bolster the Riven market because it effectively generates them more revenue. They are a business after all so I wouldn't be surprised, but it seems counterintuitive to implement that on a playerbase that's already dwindling and unhappy.

This is actually the opposite. Because I know DE hates anything fun and good I do not invest heavily in rivens anymore...

Because they will nerf the dispo if its fun. They actually nerfed the prisma gorgons dispo....Like....why? Its still fairly niche and not that popular....I had one BEFORE it got buffed because i was an oddball and like big machine guns. 

[SpentCasings]

On 2020-07-01 at 10:58 AM, DeMonkey said:

Why not just go back to how it originally worked then, and have the Gladiator set work off of the Exalted weapons combo? Why was that even changed in the first place?

That way you can use whatever melee weapon you want, Xoris or otherwise.

Remember when Valkyr used to be able to throw exodias? That was SOOOOO much fun.....

[DeMonkey]

1 minute ago, SpentCasings said:

Remember when Valkyr used to be able to throw exodias? That was SOOOOO much fun.....

I do yes. Before the interaction were removed I even made a thread requesting that Exalted melee be given their own Exodia slot so that they could continue to use it.

[Greystrun]

Man, I don't even know why do I still come back to these threads... If the majority of players is saying 'yes' or 'no', if I come up with a 'maybe' it seems to get completely ignored. I know it's a lot of players posting, but damn, it feels so pointless... It's been like this with Garuda, most recently Protea, and now this...

In the end it's just hope for the best anyway...

[SpentCasings]

3 minutes ago, Greystrun said:

Man, I don't even know why do I still come back to these threads... If the majority of players is saying 'yes' or 'no', if I come up with a 'maybe' it seems to get completely ignored. I know it's a lot of players posting, but damn, it feels so pointless... It's been like this with Garuda, most recently Protea, and now this...

In the end it's just hope for the best anyway...

They dont listen. Im getting a real Firefall vibe again.....

 

"Oh hey! we hear ya guys....but we are gonna do this complete other thing instead"  

 

And a game with so much potential patched itself in the grave. 

[febehco]

4 minutes ago, SpentCasings said:

They dont listen. Im getting a real Firefall vibe again.....

 

"Oh hey! we hear ya guys....but we are gonna do this complete other thing instead"  

 

And a game with so much potential patched itself in the grave. 

This.

DE does not care. Do you guys think that they post this on Forums to gather Feedback and maybe reconsider? Nah... they post this stuff when they arelady made a decision just to warn us and then never look back to the threads. They will do what the hell they want at the end of the day and the community will not be listen... again... and again.. Most of us already have been here for a while to understand that no matter how many replies sayin "DONT SCREW UP DE" we do. They love to screw up.

[Cheizer]

why don't you remove Xoris? Because without using its mechanics with warframe skills, this is ordinary rubbish that you have been throwing players for over a year now.

[(PSN)ironfist_94]

40 minutes ago, SpentCasings said:

This is actually the opposite. Because I know DE hates anything fun and good I do not invest heavily in rivens anymore...

Because they will nerf the dispo if its fun. They actually nerfed the prisma gorgons dispo....Like....why? Its still fairly niche and not that popular....I had one BEFORE it got buffed because i was an oddball and like big machine guns. 

Yea, I see what you're saying, it's probably just a conspiracy theory. The bigger issue is that DE compromises fun to instill some kind of "balance" without actually addressing a lot of the OP synergies/mechanics that exist in the game already with NO RESPECT for the amount of time and resources we invest into something.

[SpentCasings]

3 minutes ago, (PS4)ironfist_94 said:

Yea, I see what you're saying, it's probably just a conspiracy theory. The bigger issue is that DE compromises fun to instill some kind of "balance" without actually addressing a lot of the OP synergies/mechanics that exist in the game already with NO RESPECT for the amount of time and resources we invest into something.

There's a very evil and quiet synergy i discovered years ago with Saryn....I dont even share it anymore. If it became widespread that weapon/combo would get insta nerfed. The game should not BE like that. If we find really cool ways to murder half the room we should feel like we can share these things without the great Nerfhammer ruining the fun...

 

They should just leave stuff like this alone...Bring back the exodia Valkyr, let us heal the dam objectives...Remove the stupid and pointless limbo nerfs. 

Remove the "slot machine" headaches from rivens, like allow us to lock in certain stats so we can BUILD our perfect rolls. No need to buy maxed out crap when you can build your own to your tastes. 

[(PSN)TONI__RIBEIRO]

2 hours ago, ProjektKrieg said:

Great guys, continue fixing cheese, we have tons of cheese for steel path.

This guy gets it. 

Also who believes that players will not rush steel path?  Because nobody lied on the survey right? RIGHT? 

[SpentCasings]

3 minutes ago, (PS4)TONI__RIBEIRO said:

This guy gets it. 

Also who believes that players will not rush steel path?  Because nobody lied on the survey right? RIGHT? 

*laughs in Mesa prime*

 

OH CRAP guys we cant use mesa prime in the steel path nodes....DE will notice it doing too much damage and nerf it...

[(PSN)ironfist_94]

1 minute ago, SpentCasings said:

There's a very evil and quiet synergy i discovered years ago with Saryn....I dont even share it anymore. If it became widespread that weapon/combo would get insta nerfed. The game should not BE like that. If we find really cool ways to murder half the room we should feel like we can share these things without the great Nerfhammer ruining the fun...

 

They should just leave stuff like this alone...Bring back the exodia Valkyr, let us heal the dam objectives...Remove the stupid and pointless limbo nerfs. 

Remove the "slot machine" headaches from rivens, like allow us to lock in certain stats so we can BUILD our perfect rolls. No need to buy maxed out crap when you can build your own to your tastes. 

Exactly, you get it. WF is already a power fantasy so DE should try to build around that instead of giving us a new headache every update. Remember when coptering was a thing? Instead of nerfing it, they built it into the core gameplay. Where's that DE? Pseudo exalted abilities are already a pain to use so why not buff them instead. Stop saying nuke frames are game breaking when Saryn and Mesa exist (even though Mesa is basically useless in endgame). Stop nerfing primaries and secondaries when we have melee mods like blood rush and weeping wounds. Smh. It's like they purposely go against the community and the games mechanics because it hurts their egos.

[Sylonus]

21 hours ago, Zack said:

No it's not, because DE  only nerfs new things, not all broken things that has been there forever.

You mean like they did with with Ember, Chroma, Catchmoon, Self-Damage Trinity, Maiming Strike, AoE Weapons, Exodia Contagion Limbo, Covert Lethality, Magus Lockdown, Loot Ability Stacking (Though they partially reverted that one), how long does something have to be there for it to be considered "forever" before they nerf it, because I'm pretty sure plenty of that counts.

[_fayth]

Why do them abilities continue to draw off your melee weapon's mod after the exalted weapon split anyway...

and why do rivens continue to effect them; better remove all gimmick weapon integrations cause must have no choice!

[staranow]

I strongly disagree with this nerf. And I know I'm not alone on this.

Here go listen to why this is so dumb.

I know it can be hard to balance your game DE, but please try listening to your playerbase again. Please. Because right now the feeling your giving off is 'If the playerbase finds something fun, we need to nerf it so no one has fun.' DE why is having fun in your game such a bad thing?

[ZloGlaZ]

I really CANT understand why DE doesn’t allows fun.
It’s absolutely normal, that people will use the most fun weapons. I don’t understand why they done want this?????
Its seems like they are upset if people are having fun?

P.S. Also, I forgot about main rule of warframe: "Do not invest into new weapons. Give them at least 4 weeks before dumping resources into them."

[Bohba13]

Not a fan.

The xoris is a stat stick at best. This nerf makes it useless. The whole point people were using it was because of its interaction with mele abilities and exaulted meles. This interaction made it so these abilities and exaulted meles could keep up with actual mele weapons. This doesn't add choices it removes one.

[Nez-Kal]

Y'all are HILARIOUS!!! XD XD XD

You all have CLEAR Ulterior Motives to your claims against this Bug Fix and Unintended Power Super Creep, but you're pretending that DE is, what, too stupid to see it? Like with the Nukong, Suicide-Trinity, or the Covert Lethality/Zaw-Dagger/Zaw-Arcane unintended synergies. It's literally the same thing all over again. xD

[VitalSludge]

Seems like this change is a pretty knee-jerk reaction, xoris just offers some convenience for these abilities but there are better ways to deal damage with them.

[Nez-Kal]

35 minutes ago, staranow said:

I strongly disagree with this nerf. And I know I'm not alone on this.

Here go listen to why this is so dumb.

I know it can be hard to balance your game DE, but please try listening to your playerbase again. Please. Because right now the feeling your giving off is 'If the playerbase finds something fun, we need to nerf it so no one has fun.' DE why is having fun in your game such a bad thing?

Yes, I've been watching that video. He brings up a GREAT point too!

To paraphrase: "DE removed an Unintended synergy, instead of Nerfing literally the entire system of synergies between Melee and certain Warframe Abilities."

Wow, I'm actually proud of DE, for nerfing that one new thing, and not taking literally everything else away from me. This was a good Bug/Unintened synergy solution for those of us who are using this Power style.


........That said, yes. They really do need to do something about those Rivens and Warframe Ability Power synergies. As much as I use to enjoy using them, I understand now how disgusting the system is. But remember, if/when that nerf happens, Players are going to be flooding the Forums the same exact way as they are now, and making the SAME exact laughably Ulterior Motive Hiding arguments they're making now.

[Antris]

What?! So DE is making the Xoris trash? It can't work with skills like other weapons?! Can't you just nerf the amount of combo it can get? Why trash it completely by making it INFERIOR to any and all other weapons????

[BrandNewEyes]

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