Jade’s Operator(SPOILERS)

[(PSN)CUInc]

So what happened to Jade’s operator after she gave birth to sirius/Orion? The Warframe just seemingly disappeared into thin air and we didn’t hear anything from our operator for the rest of the quest.

[OniDax]

Spoiler

I don't think Jade or Stalker had operators, but I don't know because the quest is shallow and doesn't actually care about deeply exploring these characters' histories.

 

Edited June 20 by OniDax

[Loza03]

Since our Operator speculated that she was 'Like Stalker' and we know that there have been a number of fully conscious Warframes running around (such as Dante), presumably she didn't have one. 

[(PSN)CUInc]

2 minutes ago, Loza03 said:

Since our Operator speculated that she was 'Like Stalker' and we know that there have been a number of fully conscious Warframes running around (such as Dante), presumably she didn't have one. 

What do you mean she didn’t have one? In a couple cutscenes, we could clearly see Stalker and Jade’s operators holding hands.

[Skoomaseller]

2 minutes ago, (PSN)CUInc said:

What do you mean she didn’t have one? In a couple cutscenes, we could clearly see Stalker and Jade’s operators holding hands.

that's them before they got turned into frames as far as I'm aware

[PublikDomain]

Just now, (PSN)CUInc said:

What do you mean she didn’t have one? In a couple cutscenes, we could clearly see Stalker and Jade’s operators holding hands.

You mean the mountain flashbacks?

That was Stalker and Jade. Well, Sorren and Jade.

Spoiler

Warframes are made from people. They were turned into Warframes.

[Loza03]

3 minutes ago, (PSN)CUInc said:

What do you mean she didn’t have one? In a couple cutscenes, we could clearly see Stalker and Jade’s operators holding hands.

As stated above, that's implied to be them pre-infestation.

Jade who became... Jade (presumably because Ballas saw it, looked at the main form of execution and said "Lol") and Sorren, who was transformed into the Stalker.

[(PSN)CUInc]

2 minutes ago, Loza03 said:

As stated above, that's implied to be them pre-infestation.

Jade who became... Jade (presumably because Ballas saw it, looked at the main form of execution and said "Lol") and Sorren, who was transformed into the Stalker.

I though those were transference suits like the one we have.

 

And what suggests that they were turned into frames?

Edited June 20 by (PSN)CUInc

[Rexis12]

1 minute ago, (PSN)CUInc said:

I though those were transference suits like the one we have.

 

And what suggests that they were turned into frames?

Jade being pregnant? 

She's like, S#&$ a whole bunch of Warframes in lore who are 'Feral Warframes'. Like Dagath, or Umbra, or that one Rhino. 

[Loza03]

10 minutes ago, (PSN)CUInc said:

I though those were transference suits like the one we have.

 

And what suggests that they were turned into frames?

We see the memory via transference. We don't  see Operator's memories through transference - we don't get hit with Rell's trauma when we're piloting Harrow. We do, however, get the Warframe's Trauma, at least if there's a direct line (such as the regrown Umbra, or Jade).

[(PSN)CUInc]

3 minutes ago, Loza03 said:

We see the memory via transference. We don't  see Operator's memories through transference - we don't get hit with Rell's trauma when we're piloting Harrow. We do, however, get the Warframe's Trauma, at least if there's a direct line (such as the regrown Umbra, or Jade).

Yeah, I guess that makes sense, the quest is just so confusing, as is everything in WF

[Pakaku]

13 minutes ago, (PSN)CUInc said:

I though those were transference suits like the one we have.

They seem to just be a sort of standard fashion or uniform style, and maybe any functional transference suits were just designed with that style in mind

[(PSN)GEN-Son_17]

2 minutes ago, (PSN)CUInc said:

Yeah, I guess that makes sense, the quest is just so confusing, as is everything in WF

Warframes were acting on their own well before the tenno arrived on the scene. For many or them, Ballas and the Orokin used psychological torture and trauma in an attempt to brainwash and mind control them. This, ultimately, failed since they simply stopped moving. Those frames are the ones the tenno were able to control and operate at will. 

However, there are other frames that volunteered themselves as subjects and kept their sanity, functioning as either soldiers, guards, spies and even dignitaries. 

[(PSN)CUInc]

This brings up another question. What exactly is Jade and Stalker’s child? Can it just be classified as a new species? And if so, what are possible names?

[PsiWarp]

11 hours ago, (PSN)CUInc said:

This brings up another question. What exactly is Jade and Stalker’s child? Can it just be classified as a new species? And if so, what are possible names?

Good questions, but what I really wanna know is did the Stalker keep the baby's Floofy pajamas in his lair for all that time? Was he the one who made them?

[Loza03]

13 hours ago, (PSN)CUInc said:

This brings up another question. What exactly is Jade and Stalker’s child? Can it just be classified as a new species? And if so, what are possible names?

I doubt that it's a 'new' species in the sense that it's biologically that distinct from other Warframes. Except for possibly undergoing physical maturation - but that's another story.

 

However, it does potentially point to the idea that conscious Warframes maybe should be considered as a separate species or group, potentially with their own rights, and one nearing extinction. Could be an interesting plot thread, should DE choose to

[(PSN)Unstar]

14 hours ago, (PSN)CUInc said:

What do you mean she didn’t have (an Operator)? In a couple cutscenes, we could clearly see Stalker and Jade’s operators holding hands.

14 hours ago, (PSN)CUInc said:

I though those were transference suits like the one we have.

  Occam's Razor suggests that both Jade and Stalker are Warframes without Operators:

1. Operators are children that were put in an anti-aging stasis when the Zariman was recovered.
2. The Warframe was pregnant; there was no pregnant Operator.
3. If the Stalker's Operator was in a relationship with Jade's Operator, then there would be no need to save Jade; his lover would still be a living Operator.

 

13 hours ago, (PSN)CUInc said:

This brings up another question. What exactly is Jade and Stalker’s child? Can it just be classified as a new species?

It wouldn't be a new species, because that's not how species generally work.  Just like it's mother, it started its existence (in utero) with human biology, and by the time it was born it had Warframe biology.  We don't know exactly when this happened, as the transition could have happened immediately when Jade was turned into a Warframe, or gradually over the course of the in utero process, or a mixture of both.  But it happened, and that transition isn't dissimilar from the process by which all other Warframes became Warframes.

That said, it's still the first Warframe to have ever been born, and that means it will be the first Warframe to go through certain stages of development like puberty while being a Warframe.  So I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being in some way distinct from other Warframes that have not gone through those processes while being a Warframe.

[TARINunit9]

20 hours ago, (PSN)CUInc said:

And what suggests that they were turned into frames?

Do you not know much about the lore?

Warframes are made of political prisoners, Dax bodyguards, or former Dax bodyguards who became political prisoners.

In addition, some of the original Warframes were capable of doing certain missions without any Operator. The original Inaros is still technically alive in those three burial urns right now. Dagath didn't have an Operator until after she met Grandma Entrati. Kullervo actually predates the Zariman Children entirely, and was retrofitted with Transference Bolts later on in his life

The original Jade probably never had a Z-Kid Operator, at any point in her life. She had Transference Bolts, as proven by the fact she's a playable Warframe, but she loved and died all on her own agency

[PublikDomain]

On 2024-06-19 at 8:04 PM, (PSN)CUInc said:

This brings up another question. What exactly is Jade and Stalker’s child? Can it just be classified as a new species?

Well, Warframes are made of people. The ones we know of were made of adults. If you can make a Warframe out of, say, a 24-year-old, can't you also make one out of a 23-year old? What about someone that's 22? 18?... 13?........ 1? While it's really quite #*!%ed up, there's no reason a baby couldn't be turned into a Warframe. So I think the most likely answer is that Sorren got Jade pregnant with Sirius/Orion and then they got found out and were punished by being Warframe-d. Sorren got turned into Stalker and shipped off to the Low Guardian corps, and Jade got turned into Jade because Ballas said "lol". Sirius/Orion got turned into a Warframe at the same time as his mother, and whatever was left of Jade fed him with her energy until present day.

On 2024-06-19 at 8:04 PM, (PSN)CUInc said:

And if so, what are possible names?

Spoiler

 

[Cram_Duahcim]

On 2024-06-19 at 10:01 PM, (PSN)CUInc said:

What do you mean she didn’t have one? In a couple cutscenes, we could clearly see Stalker and Jade’s operators holding hands.

They are not Operators.

That's Jade and Sorren before they were infected to become Warframes. They're essentially "Umbra like" Warframes.

[OniDax]

On 2024-06-20 at 12:51 PM, (PSN)Unstar said:

  Occam's Razor suggests that both Jade and Stalker are Warframes without Operators:

1. Operators are children that were put in an anti-aging stasis when the Zariman was recovered.
2. The Warframe was pregnant; there was no pregnant Operator.
3. If the Stalker's Operator was in a relationship with Jade's Operator, then there would be no need to save Jade; his lover would still be a living Operator.

 

It wouldn't be a new species, because that's not how species generally work.  Just like it's mother, it started its existence (in utero) with human biology, and by the time it was born it had Warframe biology.  We don't know exactly when this happened, as the transition could have happened immediately when Jade was turned into a Warframe, or gradually over the course of the in utero process, or a mixture of both.  But it happened, and that transition isn't dissimilar from the process by which all other Warframes became Warframes.

That said, it's still the first Warframe to have ever been born, and that means it will be the first Warframe to go through certain stages of development like puberty while being a Warframe.  So I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being in some way distinct from other Warframes that have not gone through those processes while being a Warframe.

How do we know it will go through natural human stages of development? What makes the baby physiologically different from an infested creature?

[Culaio]

On 2024-06-20 at 6:16 PM, Loza03 said:

However, it does potentially point to the idea that conscious Warframes maybe should be considered as a separate species or group, potentially with their own rights, and one nearing extinction. Could be an interesting plot thread, should DE choose to

Interesting fact, in the orginal script for war within quest, there was mention of name for warframes that are acting on their own: "Umbra", yes "Umbra" was supposed to orginally show up in war within quest, Ballas too was supposed to be mentioned. 

here is part of orginal script: 

Teshin:

"Pupil! We have to go! NOW!"

Operator:

"Teshin, what was that? What is Umbra?"

 

Teshin:

"A fury untamed by Tenno control. A rogue Warframe."

 

Operator:

"How is that possible?"

Teshin:

"It is beyond me. Focus on the now. We must escape. Your life depends on it!"

 

Going by this classification, Stalker, Jade, Dante and probably some other waframes could be considered Umbra frames(well it doesnt apply to Jade and Dante we build since they no longer can act on their own). its very likely though that this is no longer canon.  

[Birdframe_Prime]

Alright, the basic gist of this quest, from what we've seen and been told about Warframes overall:

Jade and Sorren were people, they were turned into Warframes and in this case Jade was pregnant at the time.

Frames like Mirage are shown to be so strong-willed that they can change the original design of the Warframe they were to be made into (Mirage's helmet and light powers suggest things like the deep-sea cuttlefish, rather than a harlequin, and it's Mirage's nature that changed the light and dark powers into a performance).

Umbra has shown us that frames can retain memories of their human lives, in fact it's implied by that quest that Ballas does actually remove the human memories because he's able to leave Umbra with just the one.

So this is the next kind of evolution from there.

Both Jade and Sorren were made into Warframes, they both retained some of their memories in some way. There were no operators for them, it seems, and it even seems like the Operators that ended the Orokin Empire were on the verge of killing Sorren too, if Jade hadn't stopped them.

It's presumed that, over time, the resentment that Sorren had for the Warframe's destruction of the Orokin (his way of life), caused him to adopt the persona of the Stalker... and forget. A lot.

Everything we saw in the quest was him remembering at last ^^

[Vahenir]

My own headcanon on this is pretty much that the very first warframe created of a model often has the memories and conciousness of the person that was infested to create the frame. As such they will have been able to act independently like umbra. The tenno were probably involved in helping keeping them sane, but those original frames probably didn't need a permanent operator as much as one to take away their pain at some point.

With Jade being created from a pregnant woman as a punishment for breaking the rules, it does explain her appearance. The one we see in the mission is of course the original Jade and id say they somehow created/grew their child with pure willpower to alter the frame to do things it normally couldn't. Hence why she also died, she somehow made the choice to give her energy to her child. I wouldn't be surprised if she somehow influenced its growth and development, partially designing it into whatever it is going to become in the future. This would also explain why the whole pregnancy took so long as she may have spent ages getting everything figured out so she could go through the whole thing without major risk to the child.

The ones we build later are likely blank slates with no memory of anything before. (Umbra being an exception here for some reason. Perhaps Hunhow wiped the memory component from the blueprint.) Which means its just a frame like all the others in our arsenal, a mindless husk to be controlled with some echoes of its original still present.

[Birdframe_Prime]

1 hour ago, Vahenir said:

My own headcanon on this is pretty much that the very first warframe created of a model often has the memories and conciousness of the person that was infested to create the frame.

This is pretty much not just your headcanon, it's actually as close to canon as it gets. The whole implication of Umbra having only one memory left is that, deliberately, Ballas would erase the memories of Warframes to better control them.

Before the Tenno, the Warframes were supposed to be autonomous, and apparently went berserk in the same way that the Infested did, so they would have needed to retain more of their memories to enable them to follow commands and recognise their masters.

The Tenno weren't discovered until quite a while after the Warframe project began, so there's plenty of chance that more Warframes from that era had approximations of their own memories. But, as Ballas says in the Vitruvium, the ones that turned on their masters were 'committed to grave'.