Fenrys_Delta Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) Why THAT much recoil for the Prime variant of the Akvasto? It´s the first Prime weapon that has changed so drastically in usability (afaik) over its regular version. The regular Akvasto is a blast to use, but the Akvasto Prime is so anoying in comparison. I think at least for now, I´m gonna stick to the regular Akvasto and pray that DE changes this awful recoil. I mean, if I wanted recoil I´d use the Aklex instead. Also, both the visuals and the reloading animations are better in the regular Akvasto. But that´s just me. Edited November 17, 2018 by Fenrys_Delta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loviam Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 The tennis version is a mass produced version so weakened and reducing the recoil. Remembering that these guns are now single handed so recoil is logically expected. You can always mod to reduce it. Recoil is not something DE has a history of reducing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltage Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Loviam said: The tennis version is a mass produced version so weakened and reducing the recoil. Remembering that these guns are now single handed so recoil is logically expected. Lore is not a good excuse for clunky mechanics on weapons that are inconsistent with their previous versions. 5 minutes ago, Loviam said: Recoil is not something DE has a history of reducing Shrine of the Eidolon: Update 22.12.0 Quote Tetra Decreased recoil while aiming Prisma Tetra Decreased recoil while aiming Stradavar Decreased automatic recoil Paracyst Decreased recoil while aiming Buzlok Decreased recoil while aiming Kraken Recoil decreased while aiming Sicarus Recoil decreased while aiming Akzani Decreased recoil while aiming Vasto Prime Reduced aimed recoil As you can see, although rare, Digital Extremes does touch the recoil of weapons; both Primaries and Secondaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loviam Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 So it's almost literally happened once in 5 years. When it was done in a MASS respec of majority of the guns in the game And it's not clunky. If something hits like a truck when it is that size it makes sense for it to kick like a bull when held in 1 hand. And the tenno versions aren't "previous versions" they are downgraded versions of the weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Evilpricetag Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Alex Pime did also.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelous_A Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 It worked pretty much in the same way Aklex did. So I don't see the problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikakor Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Fenrys_Delta said: Why THAT much recoil for the Prime variant of the Akvasto? It´s the first Prime weapon that has changed so drastically in usability (afaik) over its regular version. The regular Akvasto is a blast to use, but the Akvasto Prime is so anoying in comparison. I think at least for now, I´m gonna stick to the regular Akvasto and pray that DE changes this awful recoil. I mean, if I wanted recoil I´d use the Aklex instead. Also, both the visuals and the reloading animations are better in the regular Akvasto. But that´s just me. don't listen to them, OP. you're not the first to do a thread on the messed up recoil, but you need to do it in Weapon feedback. where DE will see you, and the others i've guided there, so they can change it. it's awful and a prime version shouldn't be harder to use than a weak version. it should be an upgraded version, period. nothing else, no compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost_Cartographer Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 It used to be the other way around - the single handed versions would kick like a mule despite being braced with the free hand, while the dual wield versions gently nudged the camera. I mean, I get that the AKVasto prime isn't a fantastic prime weapon... it's okay... but it has to come with some drawback against the vasto prime, and slightly less accuracy and slightly slower reloads aren't much of a tipping point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 honestly, I don't think it's that big a deal, and you can always slot a Steady Hands in there to reduce the recoil. plus with a little practice you can use the recoil to get easy headshots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)cdzbrbr Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 12 hours ago, Fenrys_Delta said: Why THAT much recoil for the Prime variant of the Akvasto? It´s the first Prime weapon that has changed so drastically in usability (afaik) over its regular version. The regular Akvasto is a blast to use, but the Akvasto Prime is so anoying in comparison. I think at least for now, I´m gonna stick to the regular Akvasto and pray that DE changes this awful recoil. I mean, if I wanted recoil I´d use the Aklex instead. Also, both the visuals and the reloading animations are better in the regular Akvasto. But that´s just me. Aklex has a lot more recoil than single and that's to be expected when holding it with one hand instead of two. Simple as that, don't like? Use single vasto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrys_Delta Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share Posted November 17, 2018 2 hours ago, (PS4)cdzbrbr said: Aklex has a lot more recoil than single and that's to be expected when holding it with one hand instead of two. Simple as that, don't like? Use single vasto. We´re not comparing the recoil between single and dual, here. We´re comparing the Prime Akvasto with the regular one. The Akvasto Prime has way more recoil than its regular variant. I mentioned the Aklex (Prime) because it has more damage than the Akvasto Prime with about the same recoil, if you use Steady Hands. With the added benefit of 4 more bullets in the magazine. I was waiting for so long for a prime version of the Akvasto, but now that it´s finally here, the recoil is kinda anoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky5hift Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Lol why is recoil even an issue? You're not using these guns to snipe people. The recoil should be perfectly manageable for mid-close range targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yes-Man-Kablaam Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 just use steady hands if it's a problem. Orokin prime weapons don't necessarily mirror the regular version (Cernos and it's Prime as an example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrys_Delta Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share Posted November 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, Tricky5hift said: Lol why is recoil even an issue? You're not using these guns to snipe people. The recoil should be perfectly manageable for mid-close range targets. It´s an issue because it´s inconsistent with the regular version of the Akvasto. The usability is off. I can´t use the prime the same way I use the regular one. Which yes, is meant to mid to close range. And yes, I´m sticking to using the regular Akvasto, for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrys_Delta Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share Posted November 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, (PS4)Yes-Man-Kablaam said: just use steady hands if it's a problem. Orokin prime weapons don't necessarily mirror the regular version (Cernos and it's Prime as an example) If I´m to waste a mod to manage recoil, I´d rather use the Aklex Prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky5hift Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Fenrys_Delta said: It´s an issue because it´s inconsistent with the regular version of the Akvasto. The usability is off. I can´t use the prime the same way I use the regular one. Which yes, is meant to mid to close range. And yes, I´m sticking to using the regular Akvasto, for the time being. Geez if you really have trouble using these guns at mid-close range you probably should stick to beam weapons lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentMobius Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 33 minutes ago, Tricky5hift said: Lol why is recoil even an issue? You're not using these guns to snipe people. The recoil should be perfectly manageable for mid-close range targets. When i was leveling my Akvasto Prime I didn't have any issues shooting the Vallis reinforcement beacons ~100m away so IMHO the recoil is plenty manageable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesiga Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I think it's weird because it's recoil has a cap. It will STAY at the recoil point after 2 shots if you keep clicking. While some other guns recoil will just go up and up and up and up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) IMO The recoil doesn't really both me. But for consistency sake AkVasto Prime's recoil should match that of Vasto Prime's. Because using Vasto Prime with one hand while duel wieldng it with a Glaive for example, it still doesn't have anywhere near the recoil AkVasto Prime does. Doesn't make any sense otherwise. Edited November 17, 2018 by (XB1)RDeschain82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrys_Delta Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tricky5hift said: Geez if you really have trouble using these guns at mid-close range you probably should stick to beam weapons lol. Geez, if only you´d notice that I DIDN`´T say I had trouble using it at mid-close range at all. What I DID say was that the weapon can´t be used like the regular Akvasto. You have to use it more like the Aklex Prime and that feels just "wrong". 2 hours ago, SilentMobius said: When i was leveling my Akvasto Prime I didn't have any issues shooting the Vallis reinforcement beacons ~100m away so IMHO the recoil is plenty manageable. I don´t have any issues either. But it´s easy to hit a shot if you take your sweet time aiming for it. Yes, the recoil is manageable and yes, I know you could use Steady Hands to mitigate it. But if I´m gonna waste a mod slot to bring the recoil down, its potential dps will be practically in the same level of the regular Akvasto. Or, you know, just use the Aklex Prime and get more damage and a slightly bigger magazine. We waited a long time for this weapon, it´s just sad to see its potential being held back by this weird recoil. Edited November 17, 2018 by Fenrys_Delta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikakor Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fenrys_Delta said: Geez, if only you´d notice that I DIDN`´T say I had trouble using it at mid-close range at all. What I DID say was that the weapon can´t be used like the regular Akvasto. You have to use it more like the Aklex Prime and that feels just "wrong". I don´t have any issues either. But it´s easy to hit a shot if you take your sweet time aiming for it. Yes, the recoil is manageable and yes, I know you could use Steady Hands to mitigate the awful recoil. But if I´m gonna waste a mod slot to bring the recoil down, its potential dps will be practically in the same level of the regular Akvasto. Or, you know, just use the Aklex Prime and get more damage and a slightly bigger magazine. We waited a long time for this weapon, it´s just sad to see its potential being held back by this weird recoil. don't forget to bring more people into the weapon feedback thread, to make sure that the most people possible voice their disapointement about that awful thing. everyone you know, that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreadgame Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Maybe the lack of recoil in plain old akvasto is what is weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)cdzbrbr Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 10 hours ago, Fenrys_Delta said: We´re not comparing the recoil between single and dual, here. We´re comparing the Prime Akvasto with the regular one. The Akvasto Prime has way more recoil than its regular variant. I mentioned the Aklex (Prime) because it has more damage than the Akvasto Prime with about the same recoil, if you use Steady Hands. With the added benefit of 4 more bullets in the magazine. I was waiting for so long for a prime version of the Akvasto, but now that it´s finally here, the recoil is kinda anoying. To me, it's very clear that the outlier is the regular akvasto and there're a couple reasons: - At one point, people started to question the ak treatment, pointing out to how the single counterpart would become obsolete after ak was released. DE slowly but surely started to make them sidegrades leading to the point we have now. A reload, bullet count, recoil, fire rate, difference, as it should be. Akvasto is the oldest or second of the bunch, meaning it was one of these obvious upgrades to what should be a sidegrade, so much so that the debate concerning that specific weapon remains today, even after prime. The whole debate started on akbronco prime release, just so you get an idea of how old we are talking about here. A bit of 'awareness' on DE's modus operandi will give you the answers you seek. Sense between akvasto p and regular? None, akvasto is from a time when things made even less sense. It's perfectly balanced today, imo. If you want any form of logic, i'd ask for a nerf to regular akvasto's recoil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yes-Man-Kablaam Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 10 hours ago, Fenrys_Delta said: If I´m to waste a mod to manage recoil, I´d rather use the Aklex Prime. If it helps you it's not a waste there's utility mods for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)calvina Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 (edited) Our tenno isn't twisting thier elbow alittle to absorb the recoil, that's all. Edited November 18, 2018 by (XB1)calvina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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