(XBOX)GearsMatrix301 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 On a scale from 1-10 how likely are we to completely lose the ability to heal defense targets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CrazyBeaTzu Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Defense arbs will be a lot tougher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfeather75 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 I really don't know. It's like being told at work they are talking about letting us go and will get back to us in 2 weeks. 😄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrivaMain Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Your Vazarin Heal can’t save you now... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfeather75 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, DrivaMain said: Your Vazarin Heal can’t save you now... I play Ash + Vazarin. I'm a cyborg ninja healer. I am scared of losing that crazy combo. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureTerra Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Maybe you will actually have to DEFEND the target better than heal it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Sentiel Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 36 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said: On a scale from 1-10 how likely are we to completely lose the ability to heal defense targets? I'd like to believe DE will not do that at all as they've always been reasonable and we can explain to them the cons of removing healing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nslay Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Darn, I guess we'll just have to use Limbo, Frost or Gara for defense targets now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miser_able Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 53 minutes ago, AzureTerra said: Maybe you will actually have to DEFEND the target better than heal it. Welcome back to the frost meta. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IggySnow Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 My hope is they will actually learn from previous backlashes and make more abilities able to heal defence targets. But we are talking about DE here, and learning isn't something they really do sooo... 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CrazyBeaTzu Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 59 minutes ago, AzureTerra said: Maybe you will actually have to DEFEND the target better than heal it. Limbo gara frost...trinity...all using vazarin...it doesn't matter lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theseus_Twelve Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, AzureTerra said: Maybe you will actually have to DEFEND the target better than heal it. Charming logic. Is recovering from damage not a part of protecting something? DE is actively removing tools for us to use and you're up in arms about the community being upset by this? Various methods of cheesing the defense target's protection already existed, the healing was just an added bonus as a failsafe. Are you really going to tell me that 42 Frost Bubbles on a single point is somehow failing to defend the target? Or perhaps you're attempting to indicate that using any abilities with AOE CC (Khora's Strangledome, Hydroid's Swarm, anything Limbo) is somehow not legit. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureTerra Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, Miser_able said: Welcome back to the frost meta. Never left it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miser_able Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, AzureTerra said: Never left it. Maybe not. But with the limbo nerf to sentients, and not being able to heal defense objectives, frost won't be sharing the spotlight anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureTerra Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Miser_able said: Maybe not. But with the limbo nerf to sentients, and not being able to heal defense objectives, frost won't be sharing the spotlight anymore. Which is fine, there are a selection of frames that can defend and that is a good thing. Having options is better than one frame to do it all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theseus_Twelve Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, AzureTerra said: Having options is better than one frame to do it all. Except that's not what's happening here? DE is actively removing the options to use in place of or alongside Frost. This feels very much like a case of "First they came for Limbo. I said nothing because I wasn't a Limbo main. Then they came for healing the defense targets, and I said nothing because I could heal the defense targets." If you think your snowglobe is immune from DE turning it into a glorified soap bubble in terms of durability, I beg you to reconsider, because this is hardly the first time, nor the last, that DE has nor will punish players for playing with their Frames the way they designed them to be played. 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ECCHO SIERRA Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 hours ago, AzureTerra said: Maybe you will actually have to DEFEND the target better than heal it. >you cant heal the target. That makes it too easy! >but you can co ahead and completely remove any chance of the enemy actually being able to harm the target with limbo or frost. Perfect DE logic. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, DrivaMain said: Your Vazarin Heal can’t save you now... don't we still got wukong for that or either Inaros/Nidus? Edited April 3, 2020 by ChaoticEdge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ECCHO SIERRA Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 47 minutes ago, Theseus_Twelve said: Charming logic. Is recovering from damage not a part of protecting something? DE is actively removing tools for us to use and you're up in arms about the community being upset by this? Various methods of cheesing the defense target's protection already existed, the healing was just an added bonus as a failsafe. Are you really going to tell me that 42 Frost Bubbles on a single point is somehow failing to defend the target? Or perhaps you're attempting to indicate that using any abilities with AOE CC (Khora's Strangledome, Hydroid's Swarm, anything Limbo) is somehow not legit. Yet another example of DE releasing something and then deciding it wasnt supposed to work that way months/years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikarin Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Id like to point out something people seem to have missed. Gara has an augment, that augment allows you to heal using her 2. Venari lost her ability to heal the defense target, while not doing anything else, and being a very unreliable healer Gara can shield as many targets as her duration allows and heal them, while refreshing it with her 4 Khora cant reliably mitigate damage on the target, because her cage taunts other targets not stop damage Gara can prevent 90% of incoming damage to defense target, after her wall was broken Khora has became obsolete as she cant even grab sentients using her 4 anymore DE has proven us that their thinking process is DElayed, by thinking that Fixing a functionality of ability we had in ages is a FIX, that they point out is a function we were intended to use as its part of the tool tips in game. Vazarin losing its healing is like removing Energy dash from Zenurik, and I'm sure DE will do it, because they want to reinforce the DElayed mindset they have. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickerton Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 If Vazarin gets gutted in an attempt to justify this trainwreck of an event out of all things... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureTerra Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Theseus_Twelve said: Except that's not what's happening here? DE is actively removing the options to use in place of or alongside Frost. This feels very much like a case of "First they came for Limbo. I said nothing because I wasn't a Limbo main. Then they came for healing the defense targets, and I said nothing because I could heal the defense targets." If you think your snowglobe is immune from DE turning it into a glorified soap bubble in terms of durability, I beg you to reconsider, because this is hardly the first time, nor the last, that DE has nor will punish players for playing with their Frames the way they designed them to be played. Except nothing is being removed, just diminishing returns on repeated use of the ability on the same targets. Bubbles for a very long time now have had the ability to pop (and under intense fire do pop if not watched with care) The Heals likely hasn't been a issue to worry about till here is a event where a cat licking a uplink isn't what was intended to happen and has prompted a winder look at abilities affecting defense targets. Ive always found it a odd quirk that people could with some abilities heal a target, never bothered to invest in it. People have obviously and have gotten a little too attached to the fact that they can and cant adapt. Edited April 3, 2020 by AzureTerra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)psycofang Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) Limbo gets slapped for doing the thing he was designed to do Everyone else gets off Scott free Then they nerf def objective healing I am pretty convinced DE nerfs on reaction and not on an actual case structure at all. The SEE something and discuss ways to get rid of it or they HEAR the loud clamoring of the player base and nerf on reaction. Why can Gara/Frost/ Vauban do limbos job better than him unabated almost constantly with far less efforts or thought required and rewarded more for it? This design structure is incredibly stupid. Edited April 3, 2020 by (PS4)psycofang 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuraja Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, AzureTerra said: Ive always found it a odd quirk that people could with some abilities heal a target, never bothered to invest in it. People have obviously and have gotten a little too attached to the fact that they can and cant adapt. I fail to see the problem with an ability doing what it's own in-game description says it does. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venus-Venera Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 vor 3 Stunden schrieb AzureTerra: Maybe you will actually have to DEFEND the target better than heal it. not always possible and hf after host migration 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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