Civilians?

[Comic_Club]

Where are all the civilians in this game? This game takes place far in the future where spaceships and inter planetary travel are possible, but there are no cities or civillians! And Cetus is the equivalent to a stone age village, (I find it strange that the Ostron wouldn't steal and incorporate more grineer tech in their lives) 

The Corpus are all about wealth and business, yet there is no one to sell anything to? They produce weapons, and like nothing else, but they can't sell them to anyone because the only other faction are the grineer. We know the corpus make massive spaceships, but we can't find their cities or anything? Someone please explain.

[rapt0rman]

Lore answer: We stay away from large cities that are full of civilians

Gameplay answer: Large cities that are full of civilians aren't within the scope of the game

Silly answer: They're all on the toilets that also don't exist in-game

 

It'd be a cool addition someday in the future though, an open world map that's a full city, but it would require some serious consideration of how to go about doing it, I doubt they want to give us the option of going full GTA on civvies.

[(XBOX)C11H22O11]

Cetus, Fortuna and Ceres(drudge) I guess are the places where we see civilians.

In missions we only go to military areas since it's kind of a dumb idea to fight with civilians nearby since we could accidentally kill them or get them killed.

[TARINunit9]

21 minutes ago, Comic_Club said:

Where are all the civilians in this game? 

You see some of them in the Glast Gambit quest

[Raarsi]

We've played as Grineer, Corpus, and a [REDACTED], so I don't see any reason why we couldn't see a story where we briefly play as a civilian.

[(PSN)shmittem]

Was actually thinking about a place on earth that could have the ruins of old cities, with run down buildings, wild animals and plant growth.

even if it is only a browse around tileset like iron wake. 
 

the civilians can be survivors (humans) who have been hiding underground and undetected since the invasion of grineer.

[Loza03]

Canonically, Warframes are classed as WMD's in canon, for... well, obvious reasons. A Tenno presence in high concentration attracts other WMD's as well - consider the Razorbacks or Formorians. As such, the Lotus generally avoided situations where the Tenno would be allowed anywhere near civilian populations. The only exceptions on her watch were the Myconians and the Cetusian Ostrons - notably, not even the other Clade Ostrons that are still about. After her kidnapping by Ballas, our region extended slightly to Fortuna.

But in all three cases, there was some level of active and present crisis, as well as protection from other group's involvement. The Myconians were only visited briefly by a single Tenno therefore not giving any opportunity for a major counterattack, Cetus has the Unum's protection, and if Fortuna is destroyed, Venus is too, so nobody is able to attack it with mass firepower.

[(PSN)FunyFlyBoy]

18 minutes ago, Loza03 said:

But in all three cases, there was some level of active and present crisis, as well as protection from other group's involvement. The Myconians were only visited briefly by a single Tenno therefore not giving any opportunity for a major counterattack, Cetus has the Unum's protection, and if Fortuna is destroyed, Venus is too, so nobody is able to attack it with mass firepower.

The other point to this is that for Cetus and Fortuna, they are expressly aware our presence may bring a tactical nuke/orbital cannon upon their heads and they specifically argued the risk was worth it to have us handle whatever problems they have which is the only reason we set foot in their areas. 

[Comic_Club]

I just think it's strange that we never see the people we save.

And all the civillians we do see are like small tribes.

 

[rapt0rman]

2 hours ago, Comic_Club said:

I just think it's strange that we never see the people we save.

And all the civillians we do see are like small tribes.

I mean... the game started as a hallway crawler without any non-combat NPCs at all, it took a lot just to get where we are now.

TBH, the size of the places and populations we see in-game requires a bit of imagination and hand-waving, the relays alone likely house hundreds if not thousands, Fortuna has buildings that keep going far beyond the playable area, and Cetus is supposed to be an important interplanetary trade hub.

[Comic_Club]

6 minutes ago, rapt0rman said:

Cetus is supposed to be an important interplanetary trade hub.

Interplanetary as in no foreign ships or foreign people ever land. 

But like a mission where you have to escort a trading convoy/civilian ship in your railjack would be cool

[MaxTunnerX]

9 hours ago, Comic_Club said:

Where are all the civilians in this game? This game takes place far in the future where spaceships and inter planetary travel are possible, but there are no cities or civillians! And Cetus is the equivalent to a stone age village, (I find it strange that the Ostron wouldn't steal and incorporate more grineer tech in their lives) 

The Corpus are all about wealth and business, yet there is no one to sell anything to? They produce weapons, and like nothing else, but they can't sell them to anyone because the only other faction are the grineer. We know the corpus make massive spaceships, but we can't find their cities or anything? Someone please explain.

Im warning you. Stop asking this kind of questions :D Now seriously, instead of constantly coming up with silly AOE nerfs they should have just added civilians to missions so people think twice before nuking a room with aoe cuz killing too many civilians would fail the mission.

[rapt0rman]

20 minutes ago, Comic_Club said:

Interplanetary as in no foreign ships or foreign people ever land. 

Interplanetary means between multiple planets.

There's a Corpus skip hovering around the beach, and both Corpus and Fortuna vendors in the market.

 

Here's the Cetus Cephalon fragment: 

While their floating markets may ply the rails of the Origin system, Cetus is the Ostron home: a trading hub where travelers from across the system meet to exchange information, wares and plunder in safety, protected by the Unum-enforced laws of barter and parley - free from the influence of Grineer and Corpus.

—Cetus Fragment

[PollexMessier]

There's large quantities of just random civilian npcs on relays and also in the dry dock in dojos (tho that also exists in relays)

But it is a bit annoying that we get sparse mentions of civilizations existing outside the scope of the conflict between the corpus and grineer but we almost never interact with them. Tho as many have said it does make a bit of sense because our presence is a massive hazard. It'd be like a tank rolling through the middle of town. Massively concerning. and spoiler mode isn't much better because they're basically saturated with void radiation.

In reality I'm sure it's just too much effort for the devs to make a legit bustling city.

[SneakyErvin]

We likely never get sent or go to places with large populations. We go to places that are in need of help. When larger cities might be threatened, we engage the "invading" enemy before they reach the planet or fight them in non-civilian areas of the planet. We are there to maintain stability between factions that are remnants from the orokin empire. Our task is never to directly attack faction populations, our task is to stop them at their facilities that might produce questionable weaponry or similar, or when they try to move in on the territory of another, all in order to avoid all out war in Sol.

That is the reason why we never find something like Corpus civilian cities, we just dont have a reason to go there if there are any. That is if there are actual Corpus civilian cities, and the whole faction not being made up by work forces, where the closest thing to civilians are people in work camps similar to Fortuna. Chances are high we kill massive amounts of civilian Corpus when we engage with them on their ships or at research facilities, since most of them are just there earning their living.

Also, Cetus isnt exactly stone age. Yeah they live simple lives, but they are also resting in the shadow of the Unum. Which very likely makes Grineer tech stone age in the eyes of the Ostron and something not worth exiting the city to steal and risk your life in the process.

[Felsagger]

9 hours ago, Comic_Club said:

Where are all the civilians in this game? This game takes place far in the future where spaceships and inter planetary travel are possible, but there are no cities or civillians! And Cetus is the equivalent to a stone age village, (I find it strange that the Ostron wouldn't steal and incorporate more grineer tech in their lives) 

The Corpus are all about wealth and business, yet there is no one to sell anything to? They produce weapons, and like nothing else, but they can't sell them to anyone because the only other faction are the grineer. We know the corpus make massive spaceships, but we can't find their cities or anything? Someone please explain.

Let me give you what you want. :D

Let me continue doing so

 

This is one of my preferred artists of all times. One of my deepest inspirations on the things I do as a parametric architect designer. This gifted man right here. https://www.artstation.com/dovjan

This is what you really want, now let us think for a minute if DE does this. It will take away the mysticism that Warframe has. Of course I would LOVE to see something like this in Warframe but it would simply be way too much for DE. Let me remind you that this is the work of ONE person during a long span of work. However DE may purchase this artist work and give YOU what you want. 

Yes a civilized world in DE's lore exists but is way too vast and enormous. What we have in reality are archives and memories of things that happened in the past. We don't know if we are on a dream or we are just exploring an archive of memories. To be honest Warframe is the must cyberpunk thing I ever played in my entire life. I really want to know what a city looks like. I found you one that is LITERALLY the aesthetics of Warframe. :P

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1nogqG

Enjoy. 

[rapt0rman]

53 minutes ago, Comic_Club said:

But like a mission where you have to escort a trading convoy/civilian ship in your railjack would be cool

But yeah, stuff like this could definitely help flesh out the idea that there are regular people out there, without needing to go into detail.

Plus literally just a few different "generic civilian NPCs" (ones that don't look like they have any specific faction alliance, nor the relay gimp suit) to sprinkle into the relays and Cetus in a few places, would help.

[SneakyErvin]

25 minutes ago, rapt0rman said:

But yeah, stuff like this could definitely help flesh out the idea that there are regular people out there, without needing to go into detail.

I'm not sure if us escorting a civilian ship would really fit the story of the game though considering what we hear over the radio. The Grineer and Corpus are already there in the regions to do exactly that, or well keep civilian vessels safe from harm (I guess there might be pirates out there?). And our role isnt to change Grineer or Corpus regional laws/rules/regulations, we're just there to stop them when they go out of line (which happens oddly often).

[rapt0rman]

19 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

I'm not sure if us escorting a civilian ship would really fit the story of the game though considering what we hear over the radio. The Grineer and Corpus are already there in the regions to do exactly that, or well keep civilian vessels safe from harm (I guess there might be pirates out there?). And our role isnt to change Grineer or Corpus regional laws/rules/regulations, we're just there to stop them when they go out of line (which happens oddly often).

Helping, say, refugees and asylum seekers on ships escaping from the Corpus/Grineer to neutral zones like relays isn't that farfetched, we help escort the Kavor who are just trying to become regular, non-combatant civilians.

[Felsagger]

35 minutes ago, rapt0rman said:

Helping, say, refugees and asylum seekers on ships escaping from the Corpus/Grineer to neutral zones like relays isn't that far fetched, we help escort the Kavor who are just trying to become regular, non-combatant civilians.

 

Those missions are possible and plausible. I could go a bit further by simply doing some skyboxes of distant cities or civilian capital ships. At least a suggested scale of a much larger world could suit the game lore if DE finds it relevant with the lore. 

[(PSN)robotwars7]

11 hours ago, Comic_Club said:

Someone please explain.

regarding Cetus, the Unum (whom the Ostrons worship) keeps a force field active that disables any and all technology that tries to cross into Cetus: it's literally the only reason why the Grineer haven't been able to easily steamroll the Ostrons out of Cetus: none of their guns, spacecraft or other tech would work. of course, they could just try to overrun the city with vast numbers of Butchers, ghouls or any other melee unit, but the Ostrons can just lock the gates, and use their own Zaws and bows to defend themselves. in short, an attempted invasion wouldn't go well for the grineer, especially now that we are allied to the Ostrons and can effectively kill dozens of butchers with like one or two melee combos lol. 

as for civilians, they are all in relays and Solar Rails, far away from most of the major conflict, though some still live in zones where they are oppressed by the Corpus and Grineer. then you've got isolated colonies like the Myconians, who have their own bond with the Infested. it's definitely better for them to be as far out of the way as possible to avoid collateral damage, and it also enforces the mysticism surrounding the Tenno: the Myconians couldn't believe it when our Tenno appeared in the Glast Gambit quest, because most people claim the Tenno are a myth, having disappeared after the fall of the Orokin.

regarding the Corpus, the Grineer are probably their best customers, but not the only ones. there are likely countless small resistance movements and syndicates like Red Veil who will buy corpus weapons (if they can afford them) and the Corpus also make a lot of other technology for civillians as well (like Domestik Drones to clean your room). they will also gladly offer weapons to the Tenno to make profit, knowing full well those same weapons will be used later to kill crewmen, but they are seen as a "necessary expense" I suppose. 

TLDR: Ostrons have a tech-disabling barrier, civvies exist but are out of reach, Corpus sell anything to anyone. 

[(PSN)slightconfuzzled]

I mean we see civilians, but from the phrasing of the rest of your question, your question seems about the desire to see larger hubs of civilians living with more advanced technology? Like there are lore reasons that Cetus is the way it is, and has a distinctly regressive technological feel, which is also different from the broad stone age prehistoric period and its level of technology. Ostrons use more advanced crafting, tools and material, but there are other factors, like the Unum, as well as cultural, social, and ideological factors. Or to put it another way, there are a lot of real world modern societies and groups of people with differing levels of technology, determined by some of those same variables (though you could include some more, like geographic location, wealth, accessibility issues, so on). 

In Cetus though, we don't just see Ostrons, we see many visitors of different types as well. The Relays are a bit similar. Fortuna as well. You also have the Syndicates, and individuals like our Crew Members. A few missions involve Civilians as a part of the back drop. 

I think I get what you are saying though, we don't really see a large hub of say... rich wealthy Corpus affiliated Civilians and where they live. We mostly see poorer indebted freedom fighters in Fortuna/blue collar workers. We don't see a city with those whose bodies haven't been replaced/altered, in sky rises etc or "future cities". To what extent do they exist though? Like think about different stages of Post Apocalypse. We are post Orokin Empire. Like I personally would like to see more civilians, and the Orokin in their prime, like... seeing how a massive "City" functioned, in detail and in-depth... but also such undertakings are... pretty costly to incorporate and execute. I can't imagine DE being able to pull it off, and there might mot actually be the player interest to warrant such a risky undertaking VS doing what they already do/structure. 

[SneakyErvin]

1 hour ago, rapt0rman said:

Helping, say, refugees and asylum seekers on ships escaping from the Corpus/Grineer to neutral zones like relays isn't that farfetched, we help escort the Kavor who are just trying to become regular, non-combatant civilians.

That would indeed work. Hmm that could actually lead to some neat RJ missions that combine defection with some form of space escort aswell, maybe even involve some RJ defense as the defector ship breaks down and need repairs or something.

[(XBOX)Player244024418]

The civilians all live in wakanda.

[Anemone.Antimony]

years ago, there used to be a Q&A blog called ask a cephalon that answered this exact question

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What is life like for normal people in the Origin System? We see a lot of individuals hanging around the relays, but are they a privileged few? What about everyone else?

Given that operators spend most of their time in hostile territory it is not unreasonable to assume that there are few 'normal' organics in the Solar System. But civilian settlements do exist, and those that keep far away from zones of conflict can live lives uninterrupted by violence. Such day-to-day tasks may be related to agriculture, scientific development, construction, or the trading of goods.

These locations are no secret, but visiting them is of no concern to us. Contact with any Tenno operative is considered an act of treason by the Grineer, and a potentially exploitable resource by a majority of the Corpus council. Those who work within Tenno relays are in fact a privileged few, but their allegiance to our cost does come at the loss of safety beyond our harbor.

The Lotus works so that no civilian need make contact with a tool of war. Warframes are no exception.