Starchart looking full

[zylik]

What do you guys think personally I feel like the starchart is pretty full I think maybe if they add a new solar system in the game not only would it give them a new way to extend the story but it would also act as a clean canvas for them to add new story missions etc 

[(PSN)MYKK678]

Opinions like this keep sprouting up but they also keep forgetting some key lore details.

"The Origin System" works because all the Planets within it were either terraformed or colonised centuries ago by the Orokin Empire. Warframes still need to breathe, its why the Archwings come with an atmospheric system built into them. So every planet in the Origin System either has a breathable environment, or has an artificial one built for it ages ago. And we know that no other Solar System was Terraformed/Colonised as Tau is best known as what the Orokin considered their last best hope.

Long story short, there aren't any other Solar Systems to visit. If we tried we'd die instantly as soon as the shuttle doors opened. Tau is out of the question too, it's literally the Homeworld of the Sentients. So which rational Solar System should we be visiting and how?

[zylik]

I understand that but all I'm saying is they can fix the hole we can't breathe a thing with a story mission that makes us build a component that allows us to and it's not all about going to a different solar system all I'm saying is the star chart looks pretty full like sometimes when kuva fortress goes by Saturn it clips the words and you can't really read it

I mean does it not look cluttered to you guys

 

Edited August 5, 2023 by zylik

[16Bitman]

12 minutes ago, zylik said:

I mean does it not look cluttered to you guys

I think you could easily fit in 3-4 locations more into the current chart, but I do get what you mean with the fortress overlapping it's text.

I'm all for visiting tau someday, but I'm not sure DE has any plans for that, it looks like we're getting more focus on the void, the infested and narmer next.

[(PSN)EntityPendragon]

Just now, 16Bitman said:

narmer next.

Narmer and sentients go hand in hand right now

21 minutes ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:

Warframes still need to breathe, its why the Archwings come with an atmospheric system built into them. So every planet in the Origin System either has a breathable environment,

You know lore can easily change as easy as an upgrade right? All it takes is someone going to another system we need to fight and get upgrades to allow us to do it. Or for DE to ignore it completely, either of which would be the only things that may happen.

[zylik]

3 minutes ago, 16Bitman said:

think you could easily fit in 3-4 locations

what happens when they add those like what happens when the star chart is full full are they just going to stop adding locations?

[Birdframe_Prime]

All DE have to do is add on another Layer, like the Steel Path.

Re-complete the star chart in a different mode ^^

[--Leyenda-yight6]

I think there are nodes that could be recycled, like repeat missions or identical planets like Saturn and Mercury. I also think they planned to remove the archwing quests.

Edited August 5, 2023 by --Leyenda-yight6

[zylik]

7 minutes ago, Birdframe_Prime said:

All DE have to do is add on another Layer, like the Steel Path.

Re-complete the star chart in a different mode ^^

dont think thats a good idea kinda feels like the lazy way out 

 

[(PSN)MYKK678]

33 minutes ago, (PSN)EntityPendragon said:

Narmer and sentients go hand in hand right now

You know lore can easily change as easy as an upgrade right? All it takes is someone going to another system we need to fight and get upgrades to allow us to do it. Or for DE to ignore it completely, either of which would be the only things that may happen.

That's a plan made by someone who doesn't care about the lore itself. There's no offence intended by that, it's just no, it's not that easy, not when they actually care about the overall story.

You don't just throw out lore that's been established multiple times over the last 10yrs just so you can push in an unneeded new Solar System. Duviri itself is a prime example considering there are multiple things to be found in there that are callbacks to Lore established previously.

Do I want a husk of a new Solar System likely with the same mission types and that breaks the story? No.

Edited August 5, 2023 by (PSN)MYKK678
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[zylik]

Ok but like I remember people saying revenant wasn't going to get a prime because he is a sentient Warframe but he got one and DE has already done stuff in the past that conflicts with the lore which was later rewritten to make sense especially when Warframe was in beta it happened alot I'm a firm believer that when they can't add anything else to the star chart there going to make a new one so they can still make money from a business perspective it makes sense 

[nslay]

There's lots missing from the Star Chart. Where's the 146 moons of Saturn?

[(XBOX)C11H22O11]

8 minutes ago, zylik said:

Ok but like I remember people saying revenant wasn't going to get a prime because he is a sentient Warframe but he got one and DE has already done stuff in the past that conflicts with the lore which was later rewritten to make sense

Nothing about Revenant getting primed would conflict with any lore. Can you give some examples of what was rewritten?

As for a new solar system, for now I can only see Tau at some point and anything else only when they feel like there's no more stories to tell related to our system

[(PSN)EntityPendragon]

14 minutes ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:

That's a plan made by someone who doesn't care about the lore itself. There's no offence intended by that, it's just no, it's not that easy, not when they actually care about the overall story.

No offense taken. Regardless, DE has conflicted the lore before. The upgrade plan is definitely a possibility if they really want to go to other systems. Tau is definitely a possibility, Pazuul has yet to be resolved and the narmer still exist, hence why tau is a possibility in the future.

[zylik]

I just remember on the forms before revenant came out there was people saying he wasn't going to get one because he was based on the tau wasn't a lore conflict per say just saying things happen all the time in Warframe that some people think isn't going to 

[TARINunit9]

2 hours ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:

Long story short, there aren't any other Solar Systems to visit. If we tried we'd die instantly as soon as the shuttle doors opened. Tau is out of the question too, it's literally the Homeworld of the Sentients. So which rational Solar System should we be visiting and how?

Mag Prime lore has Orokin human grunts attacking Tau just fine, to say nothing of the Warframes escorting them. Always remember: the only justification any writer needs to put anything into any lore is "because I said so"

[(PSN)ARC_Paroe]

2 hours ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:

Opinions like this keep sprouting up but they also keep forgetting some key lore details.

"The Origin System" works because all the Planets within it were either terraformed or colonised centuries ago by the Orokin Empire. Warframes still need to breathe, its why the Archwings come with an atmospheric system built into them. So every planet in the Origin System either has a breathable environment, or has an artificial one built for it ages ago. And we know that no other Solar System was Terraformed/Colonised as Tau is best known as what the Orokin considered their last best hope.

Long story short, there aren't any other Solar Systems to visit. If we tried we'd die instantly as soon as the shuttle doors opened. Tau is out of the question too, it's literally the Homeworld of the Sentients. So which rational Solar System should we be visiting and how?

Warframes need an atmosphere for long term use, but theyre capable of operation in a vacuum for a decent length of time. They also dont need a terran atmosphere - just pressure as evidenced by the gas city tileset being more or less completely open.
Sentients supposedly also terraformed to an extent in tau before the tenno destroyed the Tau void rail and trapped them there... The tenno could also easily create a lifesupport system specifically for Tau. 

In fact that might be a cool way to do tau; Rather than your normal gambit of missions, the missions in tau are timed and introduce new mission types that play into that. Imagine timed exterminate endless missions against sentients who have stack protection and damage attenuation who DONT get their attenuation reset from void damage (instead they lose attenuation when you deal different kinds of damage).

[(PSN)MYKK678]

1 hour ago, (PSN)EntityPendragon said:

No offense taken. Regardless, DE has conflicted the lore before. The upgrade plan is definitely a possibility if they really want to go to other systems. Tau is definitely a possibility, Pazuul has yet to be resolved and the narmer still exist, hence why tau is a possibility in the future.

So the plan is to abandon the Origin System, let the relics of Narmer take over while we're gone, let Pazuul wipe out Sentient life so he can restore the forests (his plan, which is why him going to another Solar System makes no sense), and we'll just fight battles in this different Solar System for.... what reason?

Also just a reminder, Tau was recognised out of all of the nearest Solar Systems to be the best option to get to, and travel to there required longterm Void travel. We can't do longterm Void travel, if we do we risk running into the Wall of Bone. We risk another Zariman Incident. This leap in logic would render every single character and player character an idiot for attempting it, knowing the overwhelming risk.

Edited August 5, 2023 by (PSN)MYKK678
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[Hayrack]

We have separate starchart for Railjack. How many more starcharts we need????

[zylik]

We are talking about after the current story arc it may be possible we just don't know until they release more of the story we are not talking about leaving right now 

[trst]

They've reworked the layout of the star chart multiple times before and they could go and rework it again if they needed to make more space/reorganize it.

Also a new star chart comes with the issue of needing to populate it and the game already has an issue with redundant/dead nodes. Having yet more dead space isn't really going to add anything of value. Plus there's no reason to create another one to have more "room" for story missions when those most often just use temporary one-time nodes anyways.

 

As for going to Tau and other lore issues; it's something that can be reasonably explained but also still has the other "new" star chart issues. Issues like needing to breathe there can be tossed aside with some Tau tech macguffin we need to build before going. The other issue would be a way to actually travel there as we currently do that via Solar Rails and, iirc, even using the Void to get there takes time. But all that can be explained in some build up quest of collecting/building supplies to enable the journy.

But again there's still the issue of needing to populate a new star chart. Maybe it wouldn't actually be a problem but it's still a consideration that it'd just dilute the existing chart nodes even more.

[(PSN)EntityPendragon]

8 minutes ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:

So the plan is to abandon the Origin System, let the relics of Narmer take over while we're gone, let Pazuul wipe out Sentient life so he can restore the forests (his plan, which is why him going to another Solar System makes no sense), and we'll just fight battles in this different Solar System for.... what reason?

Also just a reminder, Tau was recognised out of all of the nearest Solar Systems to be the best option to get to, and travel to there required longterm Void travel. We can't do longterm Void travel, if we do we risk running into the Wall of Bone. We risk another Zariman Incident. This leap in logic would render every single character and player character an idiot for attempting it, knowing the overwhelming risk.

Ever thought that we may HAVE to in the future, not now and running into wally is inevitable.

[(PSN)MYKK678]

33 minutes ago, TARINunit9 said:

Mag Prime lore has Orokin human grunts attacking Tau just fine, to say nothing of the Warframes escorting them. Always remember: the only justification any writer needs to put anything into any lore is "because I said so"

I think you may be remembering this wrong unfortunately. First off Warframes is Warframe, singular, one Mag was with them. Secondly there's absolutely no indication that the mission went well at all. This is not in the same format as when the recovery team were being interviewed about the Zariman, but clearly a Diary/Log entry. Thirdly, when the last ship got to Tau every other ship was blasted to pieces, how could that possibly have been a sign of "oh yeah let's go to Tau".

I appreciate you at least knowing about the Codex entry, but the actual entry itself goes against everything you're trying to say.

[(PSN)MYKK678]

20 minutes ago, (PSN)ARC_Paroe said:

Warframes need an atmosphere for long term use, but theyre capable of operation in a vacuum for a decent length of time. They also dont need a terran atmosphere - just pressure as evidenced by the gas city tileset being more or less completely open.
Sentients supposedly also terraformed to an extent in tau before the tenno destroyed the Tau void rail and trapped them there... The tenno could also easily create a lifesupport system specifically for Tau. 

In fact that might be a cool way to do tau; Rather than your normal gambit of missions, the missions in tau are timed and introduce new mission types that play into that. Imagine timed exterminate endless missions against sentients who have stack protection and damage attenuation who DONT get their attenuation reset from void damage (instead they lose attenuation when you deal different kinds of damage).

I dont think anyones getting what I'm saying about Tau. It's the Sentient Homeworld now and has been for centuries. They have defenses, Planetary Defenses.

As I pointed out to another in here, the last time Ships were sent to Tau (Mag Prime Codex) they all got obliterated before they could even land. Its all there in the Soldiers recount of the mission from what looks like a Diary/Log that was recovered somehow. As soon as they arrived the ships were torn apart.

[zylik]

That sounds like a bad ass story all we are saying is that eventually it's gunna happen they can only do so much with the current story and eventually we are gunna have to somehow go to tau to kick some sentient ass