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Excalibur Prime

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Excalibur prime is the prime variation of Excalibur warframe, but its restricted specifically to founders

the founders program is no longer available and will not be returning due to exclusivity of the founders content.  

the general public however will be able to obtain Excalibur Umbra an available variation parallel to the prime 

What is Excalibur Umbra?

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Excalibur Umbra is an upcoming Excalibur variant based on "Shadow Sanctuary Sword Prime", otherwise known as Umbra Excalibur Prime, a founder's pack exclusive in Star Armor: WARFRAME, the Chinese version of Warframe. It is not a skin for Excalibur, but an entirely separate Warframe with (presumably) its own stats and polarities, similar to how Prime variants have their own stats and polarities. DE has stated that Umbras will have something to set them apart from Primes, but what that could be is anyone's guess.

the chinaframes founder system unlike globals is an ever open system available [examples below]

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When is Excalibur Umbra going to be released? 

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 it is to be released hopefully in the "sacrifice" quest which will be available after plains of eidilon  

and is the next cinimatic quest and part of the main story line 

 

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Is the Excalibur Umbra Prime and International build's Excalibur Umbra the same?

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When initially discussed in Dev stream 58 it was stated to be virtually identical

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There also will be PBR tinting of the model

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Didn't DE say that Excalibur Prime would never return? 

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Excalibur Prime is not returning.

Umbra Excalibur Prime has different stats from the global builds Excalibur Prime, and is limited to the Chinese version of Warframe which for all intents and purposes is an entirely different game.

Excalibur Umbra itself is going to be a direct upgrade to the standard Excalibur warframe that will be available to all tenno new and old 

excalibur umbra is not the same as its china counterpart as its free to all in the global build while excalibur umbra prime  is only available to founders of star armor 

the character models however are the same 

What will Excalibur Umbra's stats be?

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At this time the global Builds Excalibur umbra's stats are unknown

 
if Umbra Excalibur Prime is better than Excalibur Prime so will excalibur umbra?

we do not know if the globals Excalibur umbra and China's  Excalibur Umbra Prime will have the same stats

It's also worth noting that the Chinese version of the game is balanced differently.

possibly Excalibur prime could get a buff or globals umbra will not reflect the china based stats when its released and be parallel or close enough in variated stats to the prime 
 

 

Powers of Global Builds Umbra Excalibur 

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  • Umbra Excalibur is presumed to have the same powers as standard Excalibur and is just a direct "upgrade" version for general users, as the Excalibur Prime is Exclusive to founders. so a global will have its own side upgrade equivalent to Excalibur Prime without treading on founders exclusives content.
  • The powers displayed by the china variant EXCALIBUR UMBRA PRIME, shows the same basic abilities of Excalibur and Excalibur Prime
  • (the  video of umbra primes  videos are in the news section )

With the original Excalibur powers in mind it should be

  1. slash and dash
  2. radial blind
  3. radial javelin 
  4. exalted blade
  • Some are hopeful it will have altered power animations or shadowy different powers, at this time thats unknown 
  • what we know is excalibur umbra priem has a exalted 

More Umbra Type Warframes ?

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the description of frames to follow Excalibur Umbra are called the Umbra Warframes

  1. A darker side to the  Prime Warframes
  2.  Lore connections : (Warped version of Warframes)
  3. It was initially discussed that the umbra frames would be a limited series
  • it was stated Umbra warframes would be a limited series, some will get Umbra variants but not all , this ha not been reconfirmed however , so hopefully umbra will become a thing like primes
  • (every Frame will get a prime someday, but not all frames will get an umbra)

Will Umbras have a Passive like primes?:

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It is believed that Umbra warframe(s) will have their own passive that separates them from their prime and regular counterparts

This has not been verified and is simply a speculated passive concept, if there is to be a Umbra passive, it is unknown at this time 

[Is Excalibur Umbra just a Reskin?]

 

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Excalibur Umbra is a SEPARATE frame and is not a RESKIN of Excalibur like prisma or proto , but he can wear all Excalibur related cosmetics 

Per [DE]Danielle:

Hey Tenno, 
 
Although we appreciate the intrigue we have shared all available plans for Excalibur Umbra at this time on the Forums and in Devstreams #58#61#64, and #65. Simply put, we do not want to release Umbra as a reskin. Instead, we are focused on giving it systemic depth and integrating it as a unique component to the game. 
 
We will continue to update you here on the Forums and in the devstreams as we work to develop Umbra's overall concept. 
 
Thank you ^.^
also 
 
 
How Do We Obtain Umbras?
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the Umbra system was initially discussed by DE on this topic

  • This is most likely referring to the actual implementation of how we of the global will obtain umbra(s) in game, similar to how we acquire prime parts in the void and derelict (via relics) or possibly via a quest like inaros and titania. 
  • Currently how we obtain any umbra is not known at this time

Regarding to The Scarf Cosmetic]

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The Scarf as seen in many Images/Vids is possibly a toggleable item in the global builds excalibur umbra.

But according to our chinaframe source in stararmor,  it is not a toggleable auxiliary on Excalibur Umbra Prime which our global umbra is based on 

It is Unknown at this time whether or not the "scarf" is an auxiliary item that may or may not be exclusive to Umbra warframe(s) global build

Currently it can be worn with a Syandana,

leading us to believe it could become an auxiliary like valkyr's Bonds, or could at the least be made as a auxiliary item.

weather its permanent or toggleable in the global build is yet to be addressed by DE at this time 

But when reviewing many images of excalibur umbra, there seems to be an inconsistency in its length and size

Changed lengths:

 

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Umbra Pol[Log&Index]

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The main post is Updated routinely and is peer-reviewed to make sure all content is current and valid

This Log describes whats been changed in the thread by mako 

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made changes and fixes to op

added in sacrifice info

Index: a listed context of info and locations(indev)

0: FAQ: basic questions and info repeatedly asked 

1:News 

  • 2017 info and videos 
  • basic info in regards to changyou
  • devstream news
  • Umbra warframes info

2: Discussion 

  • Discussions so far
  • Theories (frequently brought up)

3: Misc 

  • thread art challenge
  • fan section
  • Art
  • umbra helm/color alterations 
  • misc images

[ The purpose of this thread is to help those new to the umbras concept, or looking for more info to easily get involved and prevent more Umbra question post/threads from appearing, keeping all info in one easy to access location]

I personally hope the devs can pull from the discussion(s) for ideas and gain new concepts for the further development of Warframe

~ Best Regards

Mako

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Appreciation art [megathread milestones ]

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Umbra Pol[News]Umbra Pol

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Umbra News:

  • after the sacrifice release steve stated a new cinematic quest is in the work
  • hopefully the next umbra frame is revealed at tennocon or hinted 
  • The Sacrifice is available on pc with a console build soon to follow
  • redeem the code OLDFRIEND for tea set decoration in game
  • umbra cosmetics also to be available in game for purchase via [plat]
  • watch waframes twitch on drop day of sacrifice to earn some goodies 
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>THE SACRIFICE QUEST GUIDE<

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Changyou Post & Translated 

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On the international forums, there has been a discussion led by Rebecca with regards to the Chinese warframe. This discussion has lead to confusion over what the Umbra Excalibur, Nikana, etc etc. Therefore, we have had a discussion with DE in that effect.

As Rebecca has mentioned, we will be release a series of Umbra warframes (not skins), it is possible that there will be an umbra Excalibur as the first of the umbra series however the "Originator's" (which means founder) umbra Excalibur prime will not be commonly available. The Umbra Excalibur Prime is an exclusive warframe developed by DE for the Chinese version of warframe and is only available to "Originators". This warframe will not appear in game to purchase under the market nor will it drop in game. We (Changyou) and DE has finalized and agreed on this and will not be changing our position on this.

In other developments, the Prime (samurai blade or Nikana) and Prime (drill/screw Kunai) will not be on sale in the market and neither will it drop for China warframe players. These weapon are also exclusive to China warfame "Originators".On the international side however, these weapons will be released under an unknown format (might be event? market? Prime Access or anything that DE can think up of) after China warframe's Originator's pack sale have concluded

 

 

 

Umbra Pol[Umbra Warframes]

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Umbra Pol[Umbra Warframes]-dark and twisted versions fo the warframes we know

The umbra warframes have their own specific polarity ,  Umbra - U (Anti-Sentient Mods) 

these mods are equitable on other frames but it seems only umbra frames innately have this polarity 

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"How was the "umbra" series designed in the first place? what was the inspiration?"

"With Excalibur Prime on Founders lockdown in the Global build, we were tasked to create a version of Excalibur Prime for the China PC build...but it had to be different. Our Prime Warframes varied in Light and Dark colour schemes, so Mynki thought a dark version of Excalibur Prime would be cool. At the time, we were also working on PBR and newer cloth physics, and Umbra was an early test of that with extra shiny trim and a flowing syandana. The result was Excalibur Umbra. However...the concept for Umbra's design is not nearly as intriguing as our plans for it in the future. - Dave, Producer!"

From: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/70c1b9/weare_warframe_developers_ama/dn21h86/

these frames have the prime death orb passive along with the sentience of the frame to work and fight along side the user when in operator mode 

 

Umbra PolExcalibur Umbra[ released june 2018]

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  •  revealed in stararmor as Excalibur umbra prime per their founders program, it made its way to the global build as "Excalibur Umbra" the 1st of the Umbra warframe line
  • Excalibur Umbra was originally a human, an Orokin Dax soldier who was punished by Ballas for attempting to interfere with his betrayal. The soldier was deliberately exposed to the Infestation to become an anti-Sentientweapon, a "miracle" that requires "sacrifice", then psychologically tortured into rote obedience by forcing him to kill his son, Isaah.
  • As a result of Umbra's torment, he retains most of his sentience and is capable of acting on his own without the Tenno's control, even initially rejecting the Operator's Transference and going rogue. Umbra also carries the memories of his final moments before transforming into a Warframe, which the Operator discovers to contain codes that unlock Ballas's Vitruvian recordings of the Sentient's betrayal, the creation of Warframes, and the Tenno.
  • After seeing all of Umbra's memories, the Operator reassures Umbra that they will fight Ballas together. Upon seeing this act of compassion, Umbra calms down and finally accepts the Operator's Transference.
  • comes pre -equipped with Umbral Intensify, Umbral Fiber, and Umbral Vitality 
  • unlike the other excaliburs with Radial Blind, Umbra has Radial Howl, which not only blinds enemies, but also removes any active damage resistances from Sentient units and Shadow Stalker within range. However, this comes at the cost of having a longer casting animation.
  • excalibur umbra also has a unique exalted sword model 

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Featured on tenncon 2017, e3 2018 and pcgaming show 2018 

is featured in the quest "the Sacrifice" 

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Umbra Pol [Discussions ]

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All concepts provided are conjecture and speculations which are theorized by participants of the thread, not solid info at this time, all info that has been provided by DE can be found in the [News] section

Most topics here are a generalization of many repeated topics discussed in this threads incarnations.

We have had MANY theories talked on and I have not written most of them in, just the major repeated topics [seriously 500 pages of topics is hard to got through] 

spoilers due to discussions 

Current Speculations

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the discussion on the topic of shadow counterparts to primes has become an interesting one due to chains of harrow and the sacrifice teasers

 it seems confirmed that umbras are orokin made frames based on sacrifice trailers

some have wondered at : Stalkers connection, sentient connection, rell/shadow rell to this plot 

we know that on encounter shadow rell exhibits  similar effects as stalker , both also seem driven by anguished/tortured mental state , when first approached 

we know shadow rel also can perform powers like harrow and valkyr out of a warframe [harrows 1 / valkyr 2/4] effects animation and even something like hysterical assault are apparent , shadow rell can perform other various powers and attacks outside of a frame unlike our operators, and even manifest copies of itself and even red veil agents and make them fight, this is similar to nekros's shadows ability 

 when you first see rells shadow counterpart he is in a shadowy black  ghost like state  and when you finally free real rell hes is in a blue ghost state 

shadow rell also states "i wont let you take me, from me" referring to each rell a an individual  

making us wonder if our dark twins can control frames , or even use frame power and fight along side us , or are they key to the umbra system? 

on completion of tww we have our first encounter with our doubles speaking through us 

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on completion of chains of harrow they appear as a separate entity that vansh when looked away, most notibly though the eyes are more intense and they appear randomly about the liset doing various actions 

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after the recent trailers we see our operator eyes glow and become like Ballas and then transition to him , its unkown if this si a hint towards ballas  and the man in the wall connection 

Old Speculations

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Theories: frequently brought up ideas

There has been ample theories posted and discussed , these are condensed variations of the more frequently proposed theories 

Lost Warframes

This Concept came to light as a result of the second war within trailer 

in the trailer we see a lone operator climbing the steps of a old stone/snow covered temple (similar to inaraos in some ways) 

in this theory the Umbra series are frames that were sealed away due to their unstable powers, and due to the war within we possibly require their power to aide us in the coming battle

thus we strike out to find them , maybe loosing our current frame in the process making it more a necessity to locate  the umbra frame(s) so that we may survive the coming battle 

some ideas of this is that the umbras frames are

  • power suits operator wears
  • autonomous (like a specter)
  •  (based on rhino primes lore) is savage and requires taming 

Black ops Theory 

This theory revolves around the idea that the umbras are infact black ops type frames developed by the orokin for doing missions that were to be covert 

Suggested concept is that the Umbra Warframes would be the "new" Frames discovered by quest and do not have an Immortal skin such as Mirage, Limbo, Chroma, etc. They had jobs that took them out from the war glory that Mag, Volt, and the rest did. They were not immortalized but live in the shadows until we the tenno rediscover them. as the umbra line is limited it would be a squadron dedicated to carry out these tasks  

Possibly this would allow for a new series of trials of becoming Umbra

.Metamorphosis Theory 

there has been a few variations on this concept, discussed early on and recently ,  the common premise is that a warframe (vanilla) changes to the umbra variation 

permanent change is the premises , but a temporary variation was also discussed , some variations include

  1. a story line quest that triggers the metamorphosis (specific to equip the vanilla variant) 
  2. a series of trials (in stages) that must be completed in order to acts as a catalyst to morph the standard to the umbra variant  (discussion of equipping an umbra catalyst "item" like inaros urn in trials)
  3. in mission trigger (enemy, boss) that causes the change via cinematic change and battle 
  4. a sequence of events that lead to a rebirth 
  5. utilizing sentient Tech or combining it with orokin tech to create umbras
  6. reverse engineered prime orokin technology 
  • with this concept in mind, instead of grinding for parts of umbra variants , it allows for player an engaging trial to achieve the umbra variant.
  • which may make it more fun/worthwhile while also removing the need to delete vanilla variations many currently poses, and use them to gain the umbra variation.
  • thus limiting them to gain one per the standard variation used in the trial/mission/quest. thus further allowing for expansion of umbra warframe pool to be brought on as trials are discovered, revealed 

Transference Theory

there have been many speculations revolving around the link between operator and warframe

some have theorized that the umbras are an autonomous warframe variations like the stalker , others have thought the frame is wild , or that they could be something new all together

either way the concepts relies on the basics of the transference theory

per emptydevil 

Transference and  link system: 

So what would happen to the operators "consciousness" if their own body was lost while in link to a warframe

 as we understand it  the standard transference works as such

Standard Transference

operator body <neural interface> Surrogate body

this system is best displayed in the movie "avatar"  featuring similar surrogate body manipulation

 with this we can still access the original body and even control the warframe while awake (second dream operator is awake/aware and controls frame from orbiter) 

now let us reflect on a subject of the how an autonomous warframe would be possible

Full Transference( Forced full integration of operator consciousness into surrogate body) 

operator body <neural interface> Surrogate body

U19 Silver Grove info

The very first tests of Transference probably resulted in some Tenno/people having their minds permanently stuck into the surrogate body. Which prompts Margulis to make something to keep the remnants from affecting the future users of the tech:

"This will stop the voices from taking hold. You will have to dream, my angel..."

Another interesting bit, is the presence she felt when she transferred her mind into Titania:

"These past weeks, I've been secretly testing Transference on myself. I can only survive short bursts - linking to Titania the way only Tenno can stand. I've never felt anything like it. A tortured presence, like an evil ink, staining my mind. But... it worked. I'm going to use this wrong to make right."

 It is likely that Stalker's Operator is trapped in it's Warframe body with the original body being lost. The Stalker may have been one of the original test subjects for Transference as per the silver grove info

this may partially answer the stalker and hunhow discussion in the second dream

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Umbra Pol[The Vault]

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This is a storage vault for images/video/ect reference for participants of the thread 

The Sacrifice 

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[Stalker And Umbra ]

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Due to many Discussion this has images and reference sources 

One of the biggest topics discussed in the thread is the Stalker in relation (directly or indirectly) to Excalibur Umbra

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Exaclibur Umbra prime and Shadow Stalker design similarity

 has been noticed by many Tenno, with slight changes in the ornamental parts 

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Umbra Pol [Misc ]

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Just now, (Xbox One)EternalDrk Mako said:

its ownership got bugged to another so i was allowed to remake to give it a fresh start 

Ah, that makes sense 

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Hello All!

I just wanted to take this opportunity to apologize for a moderating/server mix-up that occurred earlier this morning. During a routine merge, a server hiccup interupted the process and ownership of the original Umbra Megathread was changed to @Dark5eiD, whose thread I was attempting to merge. Mistakes were made and I am grateful that this thread's OP was so understanding. 

Needless to say, sometimes a refresh is needed and although it was never intended to serve as such, I hope that this thread will be used just as well as its predecessor. Please join me in congratulating EternalDrkMako on his continued dedication to Warframe, its community, and for making this remarkable thread.

Thanks and apologies once more,

[DE]Aidan

 

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Umbra thread: part 3. Still no Umbra in the global build :D

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It is a shame we have lost the old thread. RIP old "Discussion & Appreciation" thread, we will never forget you.

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No wonder I wasnt receiving any notifications ;w; 

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1 hour ago, (Xbox One)EternalDrk Mako said:

well we were at 100 ... so technically 300 pages ...so 350

aka 50 pages xD

Your dedication is, if nothing else, admirable.

Here's hoping it'll come through for you in due time.

Good luck with the reboot.

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42 minutes ago, Blakrana said:

Your dedication is, if nothing else, admirable.

Here's hoping it'll come through for you in due time.

Good luck with the reboot.

thanks , im glad to do it 

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So we all know we got that dope teaser at the end of the last devstream and that got me thinking how this could be applied to Umbra with a sacrifice. 

So what is an Umbra? we know it will be a new frame variant so what about its history? Im thinking that UmbraFrames are completely new unlike PrimeFrames. These would be the newest model created by some powerful force such as a Sentient or another living Orokin.

And now how does this fit with the concept of a sacrifice? I personally think that Helminth and that part in the back of his room will the sacrifice. I think that the UmbraFrames will be so different that the Tenno can not actually use one and through some conflict requiring the control of one the Tenno has to turn to Helminth to reprogram Him/Her/It biologically to be compatible with the UmbraFrames causing an alter in our mental state, physical state, or both.

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1 minute ago, Baterial said:

YEY UMBRA HYPE IS SO HUGE!!!

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I mostly got bored and wrote this topic. Less hype and more of "idk what to do, what do i do, lets throw a theory out and watch"

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10 minutes ago, KubrowTamer said:

So we all know we got that dope teaser at the end of the last devstream and that got me thinking how this could be applied to Umbra with a sacrifice. 

So what is an Umbra? we know it will be a new frame variant so what about its history? Im thinking that UmbraFrames are completely new unlike PrimeFrames. These would be the newest model created by some powerful force such as a Sentient or another living Orokin.

And now how does this fit with the concept of a sacrifice? I personally think that Helminth and that part in the back of his room will the sacrifice. I think that the UmbraFrames will be so different that the Tenno can not actually use one and through some conflict requiring the control of one the Tenno has to turn to Helminth to reprogram Him/Her/It biologically to be compatible with the UmbraFrames causing an alter in our mental state, physical state, or both.

this sounds like a lot more plausible umbra theory than another thread i was just in. I feel Helminth will have a big role. And it could very well be a role in umbra content. it may not be in the manner stated above, but its a good guess.

i'm still unsure of whether or not umbra will be shown at tennocon.

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8 minutes ago, lukinu_u said:

Also consider that this teaser may not be related to Umbras.

Its just a loose theory on how the trailer could be applied to Umbra

In all honesty my first thought is that it could be a teaser for day night cycles and dynamic lighting / weather changes. Idk why but that is what i thought at first. In all honesty it could be anything but considering people think its umbra and there is some evidence to support that a theory or two is not harming anyone.

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I heard that Void Glitch's account got nuked, if that's a sign for anything. It means that the SPOILER must already be in the global build, and DE doesn't want Void to find out, datamine it, and then release to the public. 

THE HYPE IS REAL #UMBRAISCOMING

That's why I changed my username recently. 

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16 minutes ago, Umbrapocalypse said:

I heard that Void Glitch's account got nuked, if that's a sign for anything. It means that the SPOILER must already be in the global build, and DE doesn't want Void to find out, datamine it, and then release to the public. 

THE HYPE IS REAL #UMBRAISCOMING

That's why I changed my username recently. 

Hehe, it is inevitable :3

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Story ideas Umbra is stalkers brother :shocking: or how about we   No longer are the victims like we were against shadow now it's our turn to attack his home his weakness. And where is Octavia music contest plus a playlist so everyone can switch songs in missions

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