Ikyr0 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) Baza is one of my favs. Got a Fulmin cooking, been looking at builds. It seems to be a better Baza, same Riven dispo. T/F? Edited May 27, 2019 by Ikyr0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXRampantXx Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Only the "shotgun" mode on the Fulmin is silenced. The auto mode isn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeerioJim Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I havent used it a lot yet, but I wouldnt call it a better baza. the single-shot feels more powerful, and the full-auto doesnt feel as accurate or smooth to fire as the baza. and yes, the auto isnt silent, only the single shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autongnosis Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 il y a 21 minutes, Ikyr0 a dit : Baza is one of my favs. Got a Fulmin cooking, been looking at builds. It seems to be a better Baza, same Riven dispo. T/F? Tbh it feels nothing like the Baza. Baza is an SMG at best, this behaves like a SCAA or an AR. Power wise... Ehhhh. The auto rifles in general are bad, Baza isn't really an exception and neither is the Fulmin, tho at least with the Fulmin you can go full spray without a care in the world since it has recharging ammo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dishonored Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 ; for the secondary-fire mode it have no recoil pretty good firerate very accurate crit / hunter munition build viable feels very good to use / (beside the reload ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnae Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 well, one's a silent plasma-type shotgun, and the other is a rapid-fire smg, so...no. the AR mode of the fulmin isn't silent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firedtm Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Ikyr0 said: Baza is one of my favs. Got a Fulmin cooking, been looking at builds. It seems to be a better Baza, same Riven dispo. T/F? I would say the Baza is better, but than again I got a riven for it. as for the Fulmin it a really great weapon without a riven, and I look forward to the day I get one for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bibmobello Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 But baza will get a prime soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExcaliburUmbra Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Ikyr0 said: It seems to be a better Baza, same Riven dispo. T/F? You do realize that the starting dispo doesn’t matter, right? As people use the weapon, it will eventually change to reflect its popularity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikyr0 Posted May 27, 2019 Author Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Firedtm said: I would say the Baza is better, but than again I got a riven for it. as for the Fulmin it a really great weapon without a riven, and I look forward to the day I get one for it. I also have a Riven'd Baza that I use on my Ivara. Just wondering if the shotgun mode of Fulmin would be better when built for viral/HM. I'm also curious how people find the AR mode damage-wise, compared to Baza. I don't care about the silent feature necessarily Edited May 27, 2019 by Ikyr0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkarnus Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I've tested the Fulmin (5 forma, no riven) against level 130 Corrupted Heavy Gunners and Bombards. Tried corrosive with argon scope, with bladed rounds, and with hunter munitions each separately. The rest were Serration, Split Chamber, Point Strike, Vital Sense, Lethal Torrent, Shred, Pathogen rounds. Some take aways: - Shotgun mode is great against multiple weak targets. Projectile radius smaller than Catchmoon's so you'll need decent aim. No good against tough targets. - Auto mode takes longer than shotgun against weak hordes although Shred's punchthrough helps. Much more effective on tough targets than shotgun mode. - Against high level single targets, auto mode with corrosive hunter munitions killed the fastest. Shotgun mode was no where close in terms of time to kill against a single target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)ErydisTheLucario Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Ikyr0 said: Baza is one of my favs. Got a Fulmin cooking, been looking at builds. It seems to be a better Baza, same Riven dispo. T/F? Is the Baza even good, I legit don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvid Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Only thing that bothers me is how awkward the secondary fire makes the weapon look. Your frame is literally holding the barrel attachment in its off hand and resting the gun's grip on its wrist. I'd much rather it either float next to the weapon, get stowed somewhere on the frame, or just vanish entirely when not in use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmberStar Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 4 hours ago, DeerioJim said: I havent used it a lot yet, but I wouldnt call it a better baza. the single-shot feels more powerful, and the full-auto doesnt feel as accurate or smooth to fire as the baza. and yes, the auto isnt silent, only the single shot. The single shot is a projectile, not hitscan. It has travel time, and evaporates after a certain range. (I'm not sure how far, but it's definitely not a "shotgun sniper" like the Tigris.) The pulse is silent, the auto-fire mode is not. Auto-fire is hitscan, and seems to have the same limitations as any other hitscan weapon. (IE, there'd be damage falloff if you tried to use it at extreme range on the plains, but otherwise it hits instantly and seems to respect normal rules for Punch Through.) It also seems to have pinpoint accuracy with no bullet spread. The other thing to be aware of is that it uses a recharge mechanic, like the Cycron (I think that's the name) Corpus pistol or any kitgun pistol with the Charge Arcane. Each shot in Pulse mode takes ten ammo, while auto-fire mode uses a single ammo per shot. It has a default magazine of 60. It seems to recharge sooner, and replenish faster, if you don't empty the magazine. I'm not certain of that since I made no effort to time it. But it felt that way when I used it. Switching modes is slightly faster for Wisp. The Auto-fire mode also benefits from her Haste mote, which causes it to effectively increase her DPS. I hadn't paid enough attention to say if it has any effect on the recharge time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_Grenabe Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 29 minutes ago, (PS4)ErydisTheLucario said: Is the Baza even good, I legit don't know. Yes. It has a lot going for it, even without a riven. It’s not be all-end all, but it’s solid and fun. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 4 hours ago, xXRampantXx said: Only the "shotgun" mode on the Fulmin is silenced. The auto mode isn't. You know, I question the point of a silenced SHOTGUN. I mean unless you're a stealth frame who for some reason wants to be in close range with something that isn't a dagger for instakills I guess it makes sense in a weird way. Its like putting a sniper scope on a shotgun, neat, but about as useful lips on a fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikyr0 Posted May 27, 2019 Author Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Alkarnus said: I've tested the Fulmin (5 forma, no riven) against level 130 Corrupted Heavy Gunners and Bombards. Tried corrosive with argon scope, with bladed rounds, and with hunter munitions each separately. The rest were Serration, Split Chamber, Point Strike, Vital Sense, Lethal Torrent, Shred, Pathogen rounds. Some take aways: - Shotgun mode is great against multiple weak targets. Projectile radius smaller than Catchmoon's so you'll need decent aim. No good against tough targets. - Auto mode takes longer than shotgun against weak hordes although Shred's punchthrough helps. Much more effective on tough targets than shotgun mode. - Against high level single targets, auto mode with corrosive hunter munitions killed the fastest. Shotgun mode was no where close in terms of time to kill against a single target. do you think silenced shotgun Fulmin would be better on Ivara than the Baza? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmberStar Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 27 minutes ago, Ikyr0 said: do you think silenced shotgun Fulmin would be better on Ivara than the Baza? Depends on what you're using it for. She'd still turn visible in auto mode because it's not silent. And the pulse mode will eventually struggle against heavily armored enemies like Bombards, just because their damage resistance gets so stupid. But if you equip an upgraded Shred, the pulse will punch through a lot of "hall trash" enemies, so it might be okay for doing a solo Exterminate if you're not in a hurry. Gather the enemies up with Noise Arrow, make them hold still with Sleep arrow, and blap the minions with the pulse mode for the Stealth damage bonus and to build up the stealth XP multiplier. I haven't tried it, so I'm sure there's the normal rules that now prevent you from just headshotting everyone in the group with a silenced sniper rifle. (Shoot one, get stealth XP. Shoot a second one in a close group, even asleep, and loose the bonus. Because reasons.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikyr0 Posted May 28, 2019 Author Share Posted May 28, 2019 2 hours ago, EmberStar said: Depends on what you're using it for. She'd still turn visible in auto mode because it's not silent. And the pulse mode will eventually struggle against heavily armored enemies like Bombards, just because their damage resistance gets so stupid. But if you equip an upgraded Shred, the pulse will punch through a lot of "hall trash" enemies, so it might be okay for doing a solo Exterminate if you're not in a hurry. Gather the enemies up with Noise Arrow, make them hold still with Sleep arrow, and blap the minions with the pulse mode for the Stealth damage bonus and to build up the stealth XP multiplier. I haven't tried it, so I'm sure there's the normal rules that now prevent you from just headshotting everyone in the group with a silenced sniper rifle. (Shoot one, get stealth XP. Shoot a second one in a close group, even asleep, and loose the bonus. Because reasons.) im still not sure if i wanna dedicate 4+ formas to this gun. i dont care about the forma, but the few hours it takes to level up the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmberStar Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ikyr0 said: im still not sure if i wanna dedicate 4+ formas to this gun. i dont care about the forma, but the few hours it takes to level up the gun. Sorry, I can't help there. I enjoyed it enough to put more forma on it. But I'm an extreme outlier compared to a "normal" Warframe player and what most people seem to want from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 I am putting Formas and going to get a Riven for this. Because of the recharging magazine. Now I have total ammo independance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khazid_Hae Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Man, I don't really look at optimized builds but the Fulmin seems like its headed for nerf city! I just stacked serration, split chamber, vigilante armaments, high voltage and malignant force and this thing was just wrecking just about everything I was coming across in burst mode and I'm going to try and finish it up with hammer shot, point strike and vital sense to see how it works out since that will jack the critical chance and damage up a bit. As it stands I'm probably going to replace my current favorite weapon (Vaykor Hek) with the Fulmin well until the expected nerf goes through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 just think as Baza is the 1st SMG tenno that have silencer attach to it like h&k mp5-sd for a feel of the combat gun it felt pretty good for the 1st time memory for the gun. However, Fulmin is the MP9 gun that has zero recoils with infinite bullets but giving respect for both guns still for the fact clip beat recharge for full ammo. I liked both these guns and they shouldn't be forgotten or claim which one is better than the other one which they both has a good handshake as partner still in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnae Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Ikyr0 said: im still not sure if i wanna dedicate 4+ formas to this gun. i dont care about the forma, but the few hours it takes to level up the gun. it shouldn't be taking several hours each time you rank up. 3 waves of ESO is...6 minutes? 7.5? i can't recall but the whole process shouldn't take more than 15 minutes 0 to 30 AT MOST if nobody on your ESO team is nuking things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SovietAfro Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 14 hours ago, Ikyr0 said: Baza is one of my favs. Got a Fulmin cooking, been looking at builds. It seems to be a better Baza, same Riven dispo. T/F? In terms of Kill times.... Its strictly better on 4 forma Add the 5th Forma for a full Heavy Calibur and they're similar I prefer my silent death shotty though, even if you have to get close.... its not like most frames have issues getting close to enemies in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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