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Alrighty! Been keeping a notepad of my railjack drops for the last two days. Slowed me down a good bit, but hell, I was home sick with the flu, so I thought why not! Results: drop tables are definitely, completely and utterly borked. I didn't think of writing down the nodes the missions happened on, but here's a quick summary of numbers:

1/1/20 11V 9L 80Z

1/2/20 7V 11L 37Z

1/3/30 5V 12L 55Z

Above and beyond the random chance of the stats, ignoring what the items even ARE, just noting the houses and the items something is seriously, seriously out of whack.

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In fact, earlier yesterday I was googling to see where other parts even dropped as 5 consecutive missions showed nothing but zekti's. I thought maybe they were node locked, but nope. It's just heavily, heavily stilted towards zekti drops, period, on all fronts, in all missions, in all zones.

Not even sure what to make of it, except that Zekti's are definitely and utterly dropping at a far higher ratio than anything else. Good? Bad? Who knows, but it doesn't seem like anything approaching a natural curve. And before someone points out that the sample size isn't large enough, yes I'm aware that over a long enough period of time a quarter flipped once every second until the heat death of the universe will turn up heads for 75,000 flips in a row and still not be an anomaly. Unfortunately, I can only observe the universe from my little window with the notepad available to me, and from my perspective this doesn't seem like a balanced drop curve.

Just throwing this out there, in case anyone, like myself is starting to think their game is broken by mountains of zekti's and nothing else.... you're not alone.

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Zetki is marketed as the best house, which makes those drops seem to be very good - and the less cautious players will likely spend resources or plat on before realising it's not that simple and nice. So all I see is á bad taste joke and trap, in all honesty.

Or as some people from DE like to say, "icky", but it seems that if you say "We don't like icky stuff" in public then people won't mind if you actually do icky stuff despite your words.

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That's not surprising.

Zetkis are a 100% drop from elite outriders.

Lavan and Vidar weapons are a 10% drop from crewships.

Lavan and Vidar Reactor/Engine/Shields are a 2% mission reward.

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14 minutes ago, (PS4)Hikuro-93 said:

Zetki is marketed as the best house, which makes those drops seem to be very good - and the less cautious players will likely spend resources or plat on before realising it's not that simple and nice. So all I see is á bad taste joke and trap, in all honesty.

Or as Steve likes to say, "icky", but it seems that if you say "We don't like icky stuff" in public then people won't mind if you actually do icky stuff despite your words.

Eh. I've heard people say this, and I've read the description of the houses, and people are misinterpreting it.

The game *lore* says:

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House Zetki's components were considered the best of the best. However, their exorbitant resource and energy requirements meant that only the fleet's most important vessels could be outfitted with Zetki technology.

First, this is clearly conveyed using an "in lore" voice, not as advice from the devs to players. Also note the part in bold. It qualifies "best of the best". In other words it's a tradeoff. Zetki parts generally have the highest raw numbers, but also higher energy/heat/resource costs. So you can imagine an Orokin capital ship ("most important vessel" would probably not be a railjack) having the stuff to support Zetki components without overheating, unlike our railjacks.

That is, putting Zetki on your ship is like trying to fit capital class components onto a corvette/frigate class vessel.

 

tl;dr The devs never told us that Zetki is the best house.

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4 hours ago, schilds said:

That's not surprising.

Zetkis are a 100% drop from elite outriders.

Lavan and Vidar weapons are a 10% drop from crewships.

Lavan and Vidar Reactor/Engine/Shields are a 2% mission reward.

 

Crew ships also take forever to drop their loot, so it's really easy to miss it.

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8 hours ago, schilds said:

Eh. I've heard people say this, and I've read the description of the houses, and people are misinterpreting it.

The game *lore* says:

First, this is clearly conveyed using an "in lore" voice, not as advice from the devs to players. Also note the part in bold. It qualifies "best of the best". In other words it's a tradeoff. Zetki parts generally have the highest raw numbers, but also higher energy/heat/resource costs. So you can imagine an Orokin capital ship ("most important vessel" would probably not be a railjack) having the stuff to support Zetki components without overheating, unlike our railjacks.

That is, putting Zetki on your ship is like trying to fit capital class components onto a corvette/frigate class vessel.

 

tl;dr The devs never told us that Zetki is the best house.

Yes. That is pretty much what I said. Zetki is marketed in-game as the best, and the less cautious player might think at first it might be a very bright idea to go full zetki. Which is not so good after further consideration.

It's not a huge problem, but it still feels bad considering most of DE's latest moves in trying to create very unfun and artificial grind. Remove the bs stats and overgrindification that exists just for the sake of it, and I'm fine with Zetki being so elite, but not so good after all.

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I think the houses were supposed to work a bit like manufacturers do in Borderlands, where each maker has a trade off; a Vladof always fires faster, but a Jakobs does more damage, or a Maliwan has better Elements, etc. Zetki probably has some of the best guns, like faster Cryophons, but unless you want ALL the Flux Capacity, you're gonna go for a Vidar Reactor 99% of the time because it's more Avionics Capacity.

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Crew ships also take forever to drop their loot, so it's really easy to miss it.

that's why your pilot has to basically dry hump the exploding ship to get the loot, or the Boarder should stay on the ship until it explodes: they won't die, they just get put in Archwing and can instantly collect any loot that drops. This is assuming you're in a good squad with communication anyway. we really need Vacuum for Railjack, even if it's just Band-Aided in as an Avionic.

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Not only are purple drops from the elite outriders more common, you can still get zetki ones from crewships.  According to the droptables, zetki and vidar guns can drop from Elite Exo Crewships, though they don't seem to have a codex entry like the regular crewships, which drop vidar and lavan guns.  I've been disappointed several times by purple crewship drops giving zetki guns.

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Yeah, clearly the drop tables are way out of whack.  I'm sure DE will adjust it, but how much (and when) they adjust it is anyone's guess.  Until then, I'm just not going to worry about trying to grind for better ship components - it's pretty much a waste of time right now.

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2 hours ago, ChaosSabre said:

Just look at those Zetkis as dirac drops instead.

That's what I do, helps heaps. They might be very bad rewards as is, but they are still a very nice dirac source.

Though it could still be achieved if any of the other houses dropped the same way, since I'd just sell whatever pieces I don't need all the same.

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It's not even a lie. There's a bit of nuance. There's a bit of subtlety. It requires a bit of in-game interpretation or inference. Are those bad things? Nope.

 

Oh f*@%, the game requires us think a bit, the horror!

 

For example, Grendel's leverian mentionst "shattered fragments of the manse wall". Are you going to claim that you were lied to because Grendel can't smash through walls?

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The question to ask that Lore blahblah is “the best of the best” for what?

For example, Zetki avionics have the best performance. Their reactors most definitely do not, and Zetki reactors are not capable of supporting a full suite of Zetki avionics along with the battle avionics their flux capacities suggest they should support.  

Zetki’s “best of the best” reputation seems based on a really good Marketing department.

 

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19 minutes ago, Ham_Grenabe said:

The question to ask that Lore blahblah is “the best of the best” for what?

For example, Zetki avionics have the best performance. Their reactors most definitely do not, and Zetki reactors are not capable of supporting a full suite of Zetki avionics along with the battle avionics their flux capacities suggest they should support.  

Zetki’s “best of the best” reputation seems based on a really good Marketing department.

On a larger ship, a Zetki reactor may have been one of many reactors, each supporting their own weapons platform. They would only have to support a few systems specific to their platform. Damage output would have been more important than supporting a variety of systems as is the case on a railjack where the one reactor has to do everything.

At some point you don't need more avionics, whereas extra energy is still useful.

 

We're just making up our headcannon now tho :-P.

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Yeah. I’m talking about actual stuff we have, which is sorta sending the message “Zetki is the best—oh,no, not for those tiny Railjacks. Hahaha, who would think that?”

I really wish Railjacks were treated like warships instead of the wallowing pig fighters they ended up being. Dueling with the Crewships and other capital ships while the fighter swarms were handled by automatic point defense systems and archwing escorts would be seriously fun. Right now we’re dogfighting MiGs with a Chinook. 

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21 minutes ago, schilds said:

When I read the description, I thought "Zetki will have higher numbers with some kind of significant drawback". That turned out to be the case.

It's not misleading unless you willfully ignore half the description.

The significant drawback being...lower other numbers?

Also, what Zetki items are we discussing? Reactors? Avionics? Guns?

Again, for avionics that’s correct—better performance, but higher cost to max out. But the thing is, if the Zetki item is actually, measurably worse, then the “ad copy” is misleading. If the gun has higher damage but can’t deliver it, it’s worse than a gun that works. A reactor with high flux that can’t provide capacity for the mods using that flux is actually just worse.

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4 minutes ago, Ham_Grenabe said:

The significant drawback being...lower other numbers?

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House Zetki's components were considered the best of the best. However, their exorbitant resource and energy requirements meant that only the fleet's most important vessels could be outfitted with Zetki technology.

This argument is going in circles, so this is the last you'll hear from me.

Either you choose to ignore the second sentence in that description and so get the message "Zetki is the best" or you don't ignore it and understand that there will be a tradeoff.

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