Traumtulpe Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 I like Warframe, and I'd like to play it, yet I have no motivation to do so. And I feel a lot of older players have the same issue. So what is stopping me? Let me explain: The entire game consists of very short, very simple, very easy missions that I am expected to repeat ad nauseam. These last around 1 minute each (technically survival lasts 5 minutes/10 on sorties IIRC, but there really is no objective at all). I can live with that, I don't need hour long raids every 3 months, but these missions hardly change at all for literal years! I really do not understand how you can believe the small selection of spy missions available, for example, would be able to entertain a human being for years without even any randomization. Lack of challenge. I can beat level 9999 steel path mot with 4 dragon keys equipped, and it's pretty boring even. Nothing in a regular mission presents the slightest challenge or threat, unless I use bad equippment. However, warframe is NOT mechanically engaging enough to make using bad equipment fun or challenging, it's just a chore. Lack of variety. If a new weapon comes out, I ask myself: "Does this proc slash?" because if the answer is no, the weapon is useless against armor. 98% damage reduction AFTER stripping 95% of an enemies armor means I have no use at all for things like puncture damage. Sure, I could use a puncture based weapon against low level enemies, but I'm not going to level and invest forma into it, when I have vastly superior equippment. Leveling things in this game is a boring chore, forcing me to do pointless, meaningless, entirely uninteresting missions. The games main selling point (using a warframe is fun, it feels good) gets it's legs cut off by undercooked and/or bugged game mechanics all the time. I will list a number of examples: Stuff like railjack, the operator, necramechs, in other words "not using a warframe" simply feels worse than using a warframe. Of course the warframes inherent mobility and animations play a role here, but also balancing, undercooked mechanics, clunky transitions (for example due to latency), severely underdeveloped characteristics (fokus). A lot of things in this game disable the "sprinting" toggle, making the player move unpleasantly slow until toggled on again. This includes mobility abilities like vial rush, entirely defeating their point and/or pointlessly forcing a play to retoggle sprinting over and over and over. It's unpleasant, it's a chore, and it's embarassing for you, I'd think. Melee combos have been severely downgraded in many cases. There are many weapon classes I have categorically no interest in whatsoever, because they have NO stance offering the following qualities: Being able to attack while moving uninterrupted OR having an effective dash attack, having 4 different combos with different usecases, having decent damage multipliers compared to other stances, having forced slash procs. Some stances have NONE of these qualities, few have all of them (barely, with good will). 1001 bugs (actually, add a couple 0's there) that make abilities and/or equipment feel terrible to use like: Condition overload and other mods having no effect when they should have, glaives randomly losing combo multiplier despite retaining the combo counter, vex armor having no effect vs special enemies, tornado being killable, shield gating not working properly under certain circumstances, and one of my personal least favourites, gun/melee switching displacing the warframe and players aim under ceartain circumstances. Regarding those bugs, there are many more, of course, but all of those mentioned have been reported by me personally, some of them YEARS ago (and multiple times), but they just never get fixed. Like this one: In fact I'd really like your feedback on this bug in particular, it really makes me not want to use melee outside of melee only mode (or not at all currently, thanks to explosive weapons). Do other people just not notice these bugs, or why can they persist for years unadressed? Anyhow, I'll of course be checking out the new war, eventually, but other than that I'm not seeing myself play warframe in the forseeable future. Thanks for listening to my Ted talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillyRaccune Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, Traumtulpe said: Like this one: <Dash> In fact I'd really like your feedback on this bug in particular, it really makes me not want to use melee outside of melee only mode (or not at all currently, thanks to explosive weapons). Do other people just not notice these bugs, or why can they persist for years unadressed? I don't understand, whats wrong with the dash-attack from the Blind Justice nikana stance? It works exactly as advertised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, LillyRaccune said: I don't understand, whats wrong with the dash-attack from the Blind Justice nikana stance? It works exactly as advertised. Did you not notice that I get teleported to the left, above thin air, as soon as the attack initiates? All "dash-attacks" (even those that do not on their own move the warframe at all) have the same issue. In missions I'll often dash into a wall, or miss a staircase or enemy I was aiming at because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AncientWarrior- Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 OP I agree with just about everything you said.. but we know that DE is only interested in New Player Experience.. the "Other People" DE just dont want to know about and unfortunately thats all us old timers. You can see how things have changed especially over the last 6 months as to the direction DE are taking the game.. more about getting coin in than making the game better.. I'll stay until TNW and see how DE have done in creating this balanced game they always talk about (LMAO) .. I think its more book balancing than any kind of game balance but lets see after TNW if its still worth staying or if its time to find a new game after 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillyRaccune Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, Traumtulpe said: Did you not notice that I get teleported to the left, above thin air, as soon as the attack initiates? All "dash-attacks" (even those that do not on their own move the warframe at all) have the same issue. In missions I'll often dash into a wall, or miss a staircase or enemy I was aiming at because of it. It was not easy to spot. I had to download your video and look at it frame-by-frame. I'll see if I have the same problem in my game next. But yes I totally see it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiga Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 I dunno man, people (myself included!) still have a blast playing games like CSGO/team fortress 2, which have been mechanically unchanged for like 5+ years in a row, because the gameplay loop is fun. Maybe this isn't the game for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, LillyRaccune said: [...] That's weird, do I have particularly good eyes or something? Using a sentinel might help spotting it (it doesn't teleport with you). To replicate this bug you need to have sprinting toggled on, you need to be moving (tiny circles work well for me), you need to not be in melee only mode (as the switch to the gun from pressing the right mouse button is the main cause), and you might need to have a gun with at least some zoom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutesque Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Goodbye then 👍!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lutesque said: Goodbye then 👍!!! ...I haven't been playing in a while now, it's just that I'm looking forward to the new war, and thought we could have a discussion on what I perceive to be glaring issues with the game. You are free to not participate, of course - or even make pointless, snide remarks. Suit yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutesque Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Traumtulpe said: ...I haven't been playing in a while now, it's just that I'm looking forward to the new war, and thought we could have a discussion on what I perceive to be glaring issues with the game. You are free to not participate, of course - or even make pointless, snide remarks. Suit yourself. Sorry I just dont know what it is you are expecting from this Topic... You beat the game... And now you appear to be suffering from some weird Warframe withdrawal symptoms of some kind.... What is it you want us to tell you ? To come back ? To play something else ? I genuinely don't know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Lutesque said: What is it you want us to tell you ? To come back ? To play something else ? I did ask you for feedback on the bug in the video, for a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Krism- Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Traumtulpe said: And I feel a lot of older players have the same issue. Define "a lot" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutesque Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Traumtulpe said: I did ask you for feedback on the bug in the video, for a starter. Well.... It seems like it's an Attack Speed Issue.... I'm assuming it's not something you're willing to remove from your build.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillyRaccune Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Traumtulpe said: That's weird, do I have particularly good eyes or something? The youtube video quality isn't as good as in-game, so I'm sure it is a jarring and unpleasant experience when playing. And it helped when I knew what to look for. At first I thought you were slide attacking because the camera goes dark/blurry for a fraction of a second. Before you told me how to reproduce the bug, I tested it out in captura mode. I tested from standing position and from running forward for several meters before attacking. Tested with Skia, Sigma, Vastilok, Furax, and Heavy Sword Zaw. I was using an xbox controller and I had Tenet Envoy equiped. I did not experience your glitch. This is my current settings for melee options: Spoiler I came back to post my results and saw your instructions. So I'm testing that way too. 18 minutes ago, Traumtulpe said: To replicate this bug you need to have sprinting toggled on, you need to be moving (tiny circles work well for me), you need to not be in melee only mode (as the switch to the gun from pressing the right mouse button is the main cause), and you might need to have a gun with at least some zoom. Sprint toggled on, check. Need to be moving, tested using keyboard moving forward and little circles (my fingers hurt now!), check. Not melee only, tested with mouse aiming, check. Gun with zoom (Tenet Envoy), check. ...no I did not experience your glitch at all. I tested with Nikana Zaw using Blind Justice and using [E] on keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Lutesque said: Well.... It seems like it's an Attack Speed Issue.... I'm assuming it's not something you're willing to remove from your build.... Nope, it's entirely unrelated to attack speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myscho Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 If those bugs are not game breaking, DE dont care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_PPS Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 @Traumtulpe “Lack of challenge. I can beat level 9999 steel path mot with 4 dragon keys equipped, and it's pretty boring even. Nothing in a regular mission presents the slightest challenge or threat, unless I use bad equippment.” It’s clearly time for you to take a brake. Why bother to tell people how good you are? 99.99% don’t have loadouts like yours and do not play like this. You also said every mission is 1 min except survival. Why do you even do Level 9999? That takes hours to reach that level. You contradicting yourself. If you really want more challenge, equip only four Mods for every item before going into missions. No one cares about such complains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Lutesque said: Well.... It seems like it's an Attack Speed Issue.... I'm assuming it's not something you're willing to remove from your build.... Nope, it's entirely unrelated to attack speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)Greybones Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 It honestly sounds like Warframe just isn’t the game for you; I’m kind of wondering whether you mainly only stuck with it for so long because of the grind on offer? Warframe’s a sandbox game where the difference between a veteran and a newbie isn’t any innate power that was acquired, but instead the options available to Play Your Way. It sounds like the Way you want to play is by specialising in Power, which… it’s no secret that such specialisation isn’t exactly necessary; it’s for those who enjoy being invincible demigods who are invincible. The way that a player specialising in power is invincible but also making progress is that the invincible isn’t necessary, and is merely an option amongst “Play your way” options. But if you’re not enjoying the option that strips the challenge from the game by its very nature and by design, and you can’t stand the thought of not being invincible because you don’t enjoy the core mechanics on offer… personally, this would be the point where I just quietly move on edit: I do wish they’d polish the game’s bugs and small QoL stuff; recently did a Lua spy with my partner, and in the last vault the ground was already cracked open and she could move through, but I had to do some timetravel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillyRaccune Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, Lutesque said: Sorry I just dont know what it is you are expecting from this Topic... You beat the game... And now you appear to be suffering from some weird Warframe withdrawal symptoms of some kind.... What is it you want us to tell you ? To come back ? To play something else ? I genuinely don't know.... As someone who was not playing Warframe for a year+ and was rather vocal on the forums as if you were active, I don't think you should be trying to put down another player. "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, LillyRaccune said: I did not experience your glitch at all. I can show you more examples if you'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, George_PPS said: If you really want more challenge, equip only four Mods for every item before going into missions. No one cares about such complains. I don't think you understand what I meant. If I was playing the game, I would, for example, want to open relics. However fissure missions are just pathetic, you can't even do them on the steel path. I could clear most of them without any mods at all. Even at high levels, the only "challenge" comes from bypassing armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Krism- Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Traumtulpe said: That second video clearly shows that it only happens when you are running in circles On the second dash for example, you attack when your warframe is facing forward, you are the one creating this problem by spinning for no reason & attacking when your warframe is facing left or right At least that's what I get from this video, the quality isn't wonderful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumtulpe Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, -Krism- said: [...] Well, yes and no. I find it easy to replicate by spinning (spinning the other way allows me to teleport to the right by the way), but it happens organically in missions all the time. Because I don't typically stand still when I feel the need to use a dash attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)Greybones Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Traumtulpe said: I don't think you understand what I meant. If I was playing the game, I would, for example, want to open relics. However fissure missions are just pathetic, you can't even do them on the steel path. I could clear most of them without any mods at all. Even at high levels, the only "challenge" comes from bypassing armor. You can clear most fissures without mods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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