The price of Heirloom skins is incredibly disappointing.

[ShogunGunshow]

38 minutes ago, Vortex said:

The text is very explicit with regard to what is exclusive, I didn't see any place stating what you said.

Customization =/= collection.

 

We paid for the exclusivity, as you paid for it in the past.

yep, they should reverse that, then.

Give people a chance to fill out a form for a refund if exclusivity was really the reason they bought it. Doubt it would get used much.

[Grav_Starstrider]

Let's say the 6 Regal Aya out of the Celestial Bundle was about $20 worth, since the Celestial Bundle lacks any platinum. If they subtracted the Regal Aya and sold the 2 skins and the Accolade for $50, I would've seen it as "another Prime Accessories Pack", somewhat comparable to the types of cosmetics we sometimes get from Accessory Packs (Warframe Armor +Syandana + Operator Outfit, compared to Prime Cosmetic Skin 1, 2, and 2 halos and an Accolade).

I am NOT spending $20 on Regal Aya I severely don't need because I've already BEEN a loyal supporter of DE for years and years and buy the majority of their Prime Accessories packs, and even some of their full Prime Access packs.

Do you realize that DE? You're ACTIVELY PUNISHING LOYAL CUSTOMERS by inflating the costs of these bundles under the justification of your new "extra-premium currency".

[Vortex]

Just now, ShogunGunshow said:

yep, they should reverse that, then.

Give people a chance to fill out a form for a refund if exclusivity was really the reason they bought it. Doubt it would get used much.

Sorry, just as they didn't do with the founders, they shouldn't do it now. A lot of players already paid for it.

[Grav_Starstrider]

9 minutes ago, Vortex said:

Sorry, just as they didn't do with the founders, they shouldn't do it now. A lot of players already paid for it.

People who chose to buy it as it is, whatever.

They should at LEAST make a 4th bundle option that's JUST the accolade, the 2 skins/halos, and price it appropriately for the lack of the price-inflating Regal Aya. Or at least make a PLATINUM version of the Celestial bundle for the same price, with 6 Regal Aya's value-equivalent in Platinum, so that LOYAL PRIME-ACCESS/ACCESSORIES-PACK CUSTOMERS can still get something useful alongside the fashion, not useless Regal Aya that we don't have anything we want to buy with it.

[Prexades]

I would have bought the pack but not at this price.

[Pavelord]

why is it so high in dollars?, in MX$ goes for 799 the equivalent of 47 us dollars for the third tier. If they remove the plat and the aya it becomes less attractive to me.

[(PSN)OmegaSlayer]

TL;DR I'd pay for a stable game with dedicated servers, which currently Warframe is not

 

Player from 2016, on PS4 PRO

Purchased all the Prime Accessory packs released since I started playing, plus the vault pack as they were re-released

That means that it's ok for me to support a game I have fun with, with my money

Each seasons (3 months release window of a Prime pack) I played Warframe way more than a full priced game, so I'm ok with it...or...I was...

The problem is that I have started to be severely annoyed by the game...can't stand the Kahl missions (the slow pace concept, the search of items and them being forced to get a powerful item), and can't stand the grind of getting some many Pathos Clamps...but those are not even the main problems

The main problem that make me question if I should keep funding DE is the lack of dedicated servers...after 8 years I can't stand anymore the quitters, the rage quitters, the bugs, the host migrations, the loss of hours of grind...and everything could be solved with dedicated servers

So, I would be even happy to fork the exagerated amount of money for the heirloom stuff, if I can play the game without getting pissed for 50 minutes of the 1 hour daily I have

Because lately I barely can manage to play 20 minutes out of an hour because of the connection problems, and some time, I can even make more gameplay time out of my time, but then rewards go to hell because of bugs and the customer service doesn't help in the slightest

[Amolistic.]

For some reason, when everyone is complaining about how high the prices heirloom skins are like "omg this is awful and fomo'y" when I go check mines, it is...cheap, far cheaper than I thought.

168myr, 120 days, is like if everyday I eat just 2 myr less to save up the money I can buy the skin in 84 days, which is far enough time for wiggle rooms...

prime access for me is 275myr.

 

I highly suspect there is some regional privileges? But I donno, what I know is mines are cheaper.

This is like only 36 usd for me, like it is so cheap compared to other's price, like I can even buy a frost or mag "prime access" along the way too, especially that cool syandana is back...

For me, at least, it is pretty much worth.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Amolistic.

[Waeleto]

2 hours ago, ShogunGunshow said:

Yeah no one should be locked out of getting something in a game just because they started playing later. Especially not a frickin' macrotransaction. 

THIS, i'd have 100% bought excalibur prime but i didn't even hear about the game back then, FOMO should never be a thing it's basically a punishment for new players

[Prexades]

It's also totally mireading the room with copying the 'Let's go whaling!' approach of many live service games.  The same approach destroyed all goodwill for a lot of big brands and I don't think DE can afford to burn through their IP at the rate of EA or Blizzard.

[Amolistic.]

Mines are actually cheap. 36usd. yes. 36usd. That cheap. (168myr, iirc, last 120 days.)

It could be just regional diff, imo.

Like wisp prime access is more expensive for me kekw (250myr for everything in the best value, that last only 100days, when the thing that is worth is probably just the accessories which still 92myr for me, with regal ayas and 400 plat that cost 75myr for me, it is 167myr...basically the value of prime access, with more eye-catching designs)

I wouldn't say it is a joke, because for me, it is quite cheap, and that is the truth, the bundle value is pretty much worth for me.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Amolistic.

[(PSN)thowed]

5 minutes ago, Amolistic. said:

Mines are actually cheap. 36usd. yes. 36usd.

It could be just regional diff.

Ok its $90 for me and majority of others.  Whats your point?  Bragging?  Laughing?  Want to request DE charge you more?  You made two posts saying the same thing so don't act all innocent either.  The fact that they're blatantly charging so much more because you live in a region where "you should have it better" makes this even more sickening.

[megastorm]

I never liked fashionframe anyways. But to be with the crowd, and stop this stuff, I would stop playing all together. I knew fashionframe would become a joke. 

I get they brought in an original designer to make these, but he isn't Pablo Picasso. Harka Skin still looks better, objectively. And, we already have platnium currency.

These type of choices will make your community leave and Rebecca will eat her words talking about Warframe is forever.

Edited August 27, 2023 by megastorm

[Amolistic.]

19 minutes ago, (PSN)thowed said:

Ok its $90 for me and majority of others.  Whats your point?  Bragging?  Laughing?  Want to request DE charge you more?  You made two posts saying the same thing so don't act all innocent either.  The fact that they're blatantly charging so much more because you live in a region where "you should have it better" makes this even more sickening.

I just point out my view, what I see. Don't get this passive aggressive and become an A-hole like I owe you 1 million dollars in cash. Like you just get triggered because my prices are cheaper? And just crown me "What is your point, bragging? laughing?"?

Please be real, bro. Taking things out of context, you really suffer form reading issues, you read my posts the 2nd time, shouldn't you understand my point?

I make changes to my previous sentence, read it again, by the time you wrote this, I clarified my points further already like 1 min.

Even if I did not change anything like what you see now, it is still, in fact, regional difference, I am just stating the fact, mines 36, yours 90. If this not a regional difference, what is it?

"I wouldn't say it is awful because mines are cheaper and that is the truth I see, and it makes it worth for my money investment."

That is it. My points.

I am sorry to hear that yours cost more, but...there is nothing I can do, I am just a normal player, not someone who is noteworthy enough to change the course of their decisions alone.

And btw, i live in Malaysia, a southeast asia country you prob don't know anything about.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Amolistic.

[(XBOX)Tanta Cinta]

I spent the $90. I think it's worth it. What you deem of value is different than everyone else, but what I saw in the bundle meant something to me. 10 freaking years this game has been going on! The bundle is pretty special, and it's what it's worth.

You have two skins created by the most iconic designer in warframe history, two Signas which are an entirely new type of cosmetic, a dope color palette, a sigil, glyph, emote, and Accolade on your in-game profile. 

Plus the 600 platinum and regal aya. I think it's somewhat fair, however I would argue the plat could've been 1000 instead of 600.

Edited August 27, 2023 by (XBOX)Tanta Cinta

[(PSN)slightconfuzzled]

Kind of reminds me of the Regal Aya situation again. 

Personally, I am not opposed to the idea, but, and this is a tricky nuanced issue, because it involves subjective elements around value, expectations, and game standards and comparisons/competition. The reason I personally had an issue with Regal Aya, was because it was being framed as an alternative/replacement for Unvaulting, but with some advantages/positives. The issue, I and some others had, was the value was... well a lot was tied into Platinum and the absence of, thus the perception of less value when spending real world currencies. That combined with the exclusivity of different bundles/products (if you want Prime Accessories for example, you'll need Regal Aya, but if you want Plat, you'll need to buy a different bundle, as opposed to the past, being able to get both in one bundle), which is inherently, not consumer friendly. 

I bring up Regal Aya first, because a lot of the same argument points that were brought up then, are popping up again, and the situations are also different, so there are some new factors and variables to consider for context. I'm a bit too tired and worn out to put too much effort into structuring my thoughts, but have to say, this is probably the most negative I have felt towards DE since the the Regal Aya pricing. Also to be clear, I just mean on this specific matter, not overall. Also specifically I mean the combination of FOMO elements, the tricky subjective but valid critical perceptions of value around such bundles (compare to Prime Access, or Prime Accessories, or a few other past Supporter packs, Deimos Swarm Supporter Pack etc), its significantly more pricey (at least in my Region). Then the structure of the bundles themselves, and how/why they were structured and for what motivation. The inclusion of Regal Aya, Plat, skins for different Warframes. 

I think a more consumer friendly, fan friendly approach would have been to have bundles with and without Regal Aya, Plat, the extras, and either for Mag or Frost. They could have also done something like limited time exclusivity. Make the skins available for Plat in two years. If you want the skins now, and a bunch of extras that won't be available again, the emote, sigils, palette, Regal Aya, Plat etc, you buy a bundle now. However much much later, skins may be possible to get through other means. Then if the pricing was Prime Access or Accessories? I'd personally buy them. They look great plus I like one of the OG designers designed them. Plus I do like supporting DE financially. I also like that people who can't afford such prices, may have options to eventually get the items too, for cheaper (see Prime Accessories, or Supporter Bundles often getting discounts before they are retired). 

Maybe there are reasons, why some of my suggestion aren't feasible/realistic, but when DE doesn't seem to be so considerate to details, makes it harder for me to occasionally defend them as being one of the more consumer friendly and relatively conscientious and ethical businesses, in an industry full of gross, manipulative, tactics and techniques, and thus makes me entirely weary about my desire to support them financially in the future. I am just one person, and overall, I am still excited and interested in Warframes direction and future.

The current Dev team I think is great, and I have really enjoyed the last few years of the game, but the pricing and decision making process here... Also the dialogue it can create within the fanbase can be so tiring as well. I'd really much prefer spending my energy talking about the new upcoming quests and skins, I did really enjoy Tennocon too, my fav in a few years. Was so happy and glad to see the Devs and attendees enjoy themselves, now that we are back to in person events. Is tiring to have to try and articulate being fair, but also advocating for consumer rights, people left and right creating strawmans and putting out some of the worst arguments and gotchas around.

[CosoMalvadoNG]

hace 29 minutos, (XBOX)Tanta Cinta dijo:

I spent the $90. I think it's worth it. What you deem of value is different than everyone else, but what I saw in the bundle meant something to me. 10 freaking years this game has been going on! The bundle is pretty special, and it's what it's worth.

You have two skins created by the most iconic designer in warframe history, two Signas which are an entirely new type of cosmetic, a dope color palette, a sigil, glyph, emote, and Accolade on your in-game profile. 

Plus the 600 platinum and regal aya. I think it's somewhat fair, however I would argue the plat could've been 1000 instead of 600.

You should read the entire post before commenting. Everyone here knows that the price is what it is, the point here is the limited time and the filler for which many of us do not want to pay.

Good for you to pay for things you're not going to use and if you're happy with that, it's fine, but... most of ppl here don't have that way of thinking.

 

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by CosoMalvadoNG
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[HappyDeYapy]

Very nice skin btw, defiantly not worth $100

[Waeleto]

26 minutes ago, (XBOX)Tanta Cinta said:

I spent the $90. I think it's worth it. What you deem of value is different than everyone else, but what I saw in the bundle meant something to me. 10 freaking years this game has been going on! The bundle is pretty special, and it's what it's worth.

You have two skins created by the most iconic designer in warframe history, two Signas which are an entirely new type of cosmetic, a dope color palette, a sigil, glyph, emote, and Accolade on your in-game profile. 

Plus the 600 platinum and regal aya. I think it's somewhat fair, however I would argue the plat could've been 1000 instead of 600.

Oh wow thank you for telling me the content of the pack which i CLEARLY didn't know and thank you so much for telling me that me criticism and opinion aren't valid, you're truly a hero in shining armor for this community 

[(PSN)slightconfuzzled]

For $100 I could sculpt a decent sized and detailed Mag and Frost sculptures for you in their new skins, and do a decent canvas painting of both, and those will stay with you forever, and not subject to Digital removal etc Solid, real, in your permanent possession, and if I die in a freak accident, the value will go up. 

For $100, you could hire an Escort, and get them to cosplay as Mag or Frost in their new skins for you, and roleplay for 1 hour, and do things like throw ice cubes and magnets at you. 

For $100 you could buy Special edition versions of some pretty high quality huge Triple A titles. 

For $100 dollars you could buy so much Tennogen skins and support and encourage more from our wonderful Tennogen artists. 

Okay a lot of this is in light hearted jest but yeah. I'm lucky enough to have a disposable income, I've done some internal mental gymnastics to justify buying bundles just for things like the Zobov Shotgun Skin (its dope), and I didn't really think it was worth it, but I'll support DE, plus I know such packs would end up on Discounts, plus I know they often are willing to compromise, like with Regal Aya, which I want to encourage. Man the Heirloom pricing though and its value? Feels way off. 

 

[Waeleto]

Just in the scope of warframe (in case you're not open to spending 70$ on real life or other games) 70$ could get you 10 tennogen skins, the fact that they are trying to sell 2 deluxe skins (which don't look better than most deluxe skins that we have) for a whopping 70$ is clownery 

[Binket_]

3 hours ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:

Anyway you folks have fun, I'm going to go play this Free MMO with its Free Updates and Free Content where i dont have to pay for a "battle pass" for everything. Might have a look at the 3 Free things I got today. Maybe make sure I have space for the New Warframe I can get for Free when the newest Free expansion drops in a month or two. Later I might have another look at the trailers for the other 2 Free expansions and see what kind of Lore Tidbits I can find. Enjoy :)

A free game still needs to pay the bills.
Guess how that gets done, here's a hint: It's monetization.

Like it or not, monetization needs to be done right.
Enough for the player to buy, but enough for DE to keep the game running.

This failed on the former, so we tell them.

3 hours ago, Vortex said:

I paid the price to support the game, if they wanna unlock the skin after 2023 so unlock the founder pack too.

... yeah, no. They're not unlocking Excalibur Prime-- a promise they have held with admirable respect for 10 years... because "10 Year Anniversary Skin need to be RAAAAAARE!!1!"

You do realize that there would be nothing lost on DE's side from rereleasing it another time, right?
Especially because the part of the community that doesn't drop 70$ or 90$ on a instant whim might consider it another time when it looks more appealing.

Than again, what does people actively enjoying a purchase enough to recommend it to others do for the game?
Let's instead lord over the "peasants" who DARED not to mail their money in random directions if told to.

2 hours ago, Vortex said:

A lot of players already paid for it.

Blindly. Like lemmings to a bed of nails, you bought into the FOMO expecting lordly status.
You paid for a tactic that serves naught but to encourage a detrimental behavior.

This has done nothing but feed your pride, it seems. To that? You have already lost, along with us all.

1 hour ago, Amolistic. said:

For some reason, when everyone is complaining about how high the prices heirloom skins are like "omg this is awful and fomo'y" when I go check mines, it is...cheap, far cheaper than I thought.

The regional pricing seems to be REALLY scuff. Some regions can get it for roughly 15 USD when making conversions.

FOMO is more based around the limited time. The fact that there even is one at all before it (allegedly) vanishes for good.
The price is one thing. The fact that it will never come back is a whole brand of annoyance.

1 hour ago, (PSN)slightconfuzzled said:

Kind of reminds me of the Regal Aya situation again.

While I did read all of that?

A lot of personal stress comes from the fact that Regal Aya shows this isn't the first time it happened.
It was bad enough to have all of this happen once, now it's twice.
Twice is two times more than enough.

Just to think... this whole thing could've been far less of a problem if they just had the foresight to avoid the predatory practices.

[Serafinia]

There is nothing much can be told on this subject this is what capitalism means. Eastern Europeans like me cannot afford these overpriced things even if the bundle was cut in pieces and you can just buy the skins I still would consider expensive just for 2 skin. If these were real life sculpture replicas I would say that is fair because the material and time cost needs to be paid but this is just stealing money from the people whom willing to pay money just to support the devs.

The sad thing in this whole subject it is a supposed 10 year celebration for a game and it's devs and community but these lend ideas from other studios whom got hate because of moves like this just something what you could not accept them because they kept their pricing relatively fair until now.

Sure devs and studios needs money to operate but these money making practices put mobile game industry in shame. I surely won't buy these packs to show how devoted I am with the game what I play since open beta started. 

[(XBOX)Tanta Cinta]

59 minutes ago, Waeleto said:

Oh wow thank you for telling me the content of the pack which i CLEARLY didn't know and thank you so much for telling me that me criticism and opinion aren't valid, you're truly a hero in shining armor for this community 

I mean you're all whining over a high price and FOMO. If you played Destiny you wouldn't be new to this. Let DE dabble a bit into the FOMO market, I think they deserve to just this once.

[(XBOX)Tanta Cinta]

1 hour ago, CosoMalvadoNG said:

Good for you to pay for things you're not going to use and if you're happy with that, it's fine, but... most of ppl here don't have that way of thinking.

Holy hell, who are you to decide if I'm not going to use any of the items in the pack. It's... why I bought it? I already fashion-framed my Frost and Mag with the skins, and put the Signas on a lot of other frames. I have the sigil on my Drifter at the moment and I use a few of the blues and purples from the color palette already. 

It sounds like you're mad at me for spending MY money LMFAOOO.

Edited August 27, 2023 by (XBOX)Tanta Cinta