CephalonCarnage Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I've been watching the lastest greatest game out there (no, not Palworld) and it strikes me that if DE likes to take inspiration from games to put into WF, as we saw with the Elden Ring inspired Duviri combat stuff, then De could do a lot worse than go back to the operator timeline and give us the new war, inspired by slightly open world missions fighting sentients on varous planets. HD2 looks awesome, everyone seems to really like it, there's great mechanics that make interesting gameplay decisions and its a great fun co-op shooting the hell out of things. Gameplay: eg limited ammo that aren't loot drops but resupply and location crates meaning you have a time limit based on ammo. Missions are open, no linear maps where players can just run off and kill everything leaving you behind. Extra features come from air support as does resupply with cooldowns. These are all great ideas that solve some of the most awkward parts of warframe gameplay now without requiring nerfs to speed or damage or capabilities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 The games are WAY too different to each other for that design wise, especially in the numbers department (HD2's numbers are mostly static, WF's are exponential and non-Euclidean 90% of the time). 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trst Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) DE isn't out here taking inspiration from recent games and Duviri isn't the first game to have a lock-on system. Also just to nitpick on Helldivers itself for a second I find it ridiculous that it's taking off when the exact same game has been around for nearly a year, for less money, doesn't require a 3rd party account, and isn't grossly monetized: Starship Troopers: Extermination. Like it's almost the exact same where you're a bunch of faceless space marines dropped down onto an alien planet to kill bugs because they're somehow threatening your authoritative earth government. The only "catch" is that ST:E is still in early access. Edited February 12 by trst 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukinoki Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 5 minutes ago, trst said: and isn't grossly monetized: Yeah, I am holding off on helldivers 2 until they show their hand regarding the DLC practices. I mean helldivers 1 had a DLC for "All Terrain Boots", which removed the penalty of walking in snow and swamps. Those planets were utterly miserable to go through without that DLC, because without the DLC you can't sprint in snow or swamp. Sure it only cost 3 dollars, but should a game really be charging 3 dollars to allow you to sprint on all of its maps? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnstarPrime Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 5 hours ago, CephalonCarnage said: as we saw with the Elden Ring inspired Duviri combat stuff Did anyone from DE actually say that Duviri combat was inspired by Elden Ring? Because as someone who adores Elden Ring's combat, Duviri's combat is wildly different*. *and it was in development long before Elden Ring was released 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, trst said: DE isn't out here taking inspiration from recent games Not anymore, but never let them forget the time they tried to rip off Rocket League 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnstarPrime Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 13 minutes ago, TARINunit9 said: Not anymore, but never let them forget the time they tried to rip off Rocket League I'll be honest, I'm split down the middle trying to tell whether you're being sarcastic or not. Lunaro seems far more like the real-world sport Lacrosse than it does cars playing soccer. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Chibi Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 7 hours ago, CephalonCarnage said: I've been watching the lastest greatest game out there (no, not Palworld) and it strikes me that if DE likes to take inspiration from games to put into WF, as we saw with the Elden Ring inspired Duviri combat stuff, then De could do a lot worse than go back to the operator timeline and give us the new war, inspired by slightly open world missions fighting sentients on varous planets. HD2 looks awesome, everyone seems to really like it, there's great mechanics that make interesting gameplay decisions and its a great fun co-op shooting the hell out of things. Gameplay: eg limited ammo that aren't loot drops but resupply and location crates meaning you have a time limit based on ammo. Missions are open, no linear maps where players can just run off and kill everything leaving you behind. Extra features come from air support as does resupply with cooldowns. These are all great ideas that solve some of the most awkward parts of warframe gameplay now without requiring nerfs to speed or damage or capabilities. "I like helldivers two so we should put it into Warframe" No, and also, Duviri was more like Sekiro than Elden Ring, except slower paced. It could probably be compared to multiple other melee-based games as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 32 minutes ago, UnstarPrime said: I'll be honest, I'm split down the middle trying to tell whether you're being sarcastic or not. Lunaro seems far more like the real-world sport Lacrosse than it does cars playing soccer. Rocket League came out July 2015 and it was a smash hit. It's easy to forget now, but Rocket League was THE king of the hill that year, an esports sensation and flavor of the month for several months And knowing how long it takes DE to make content, Lunaro would have started development August 2015 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 33 minutes ago, TARINunit9 said: Rocket League came out July 2015 and it was a smash hit. It's easy to forget now, but Rocket League was THE king of the hill that year, an esports sensation and flavor of the month for several months And knowing how long it takes DE to make content, Lunaro would have started development August 2015 That said, I do think Lunaro is a bit more distinct and draws inspiration from a few other sources rather than being a straight ripoff. I once heard somebody say "Imagine if Lacrosse and Quidditch had a baby from a drunken one night stand and the baby was raised by Rocket League", made me laugh at the time but feels rather accurate in retrospect. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexerin Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Taking inspiration from a game that installs malware on your system is not the great take you think it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 12 hours ago, CephalonCarnage said: HD2 looks awesome, everyone seems to really like it, there's great mechanics that make interesting gameplay decisions and its a great fun co-op shooting the hell out of things. I've been playing it A LOT and I have to agree, it's a fantastic game, but it's not without bugs.. and I'm not just talking about the ones that get mowed down by the hundreds, like, the Devs are workign 12 hours shifts because there's server-side issues and the actual number of people playing dwarfs the number they expected... Arrowhead could genuinely "make it outta the hood with this one", maybe even get some awards, but only once the game is fixed. personally I intend to keep playing for the foreseeable and spend my time between warframe updates there. all that said, it's a VERY different game from warframe: 12 hours ago, CephalonCarnage said: Gameplay: eg limited ammo that aren't loot drops but resupply and location crates meaning you have a time limit based on ammo. Missions are open, no linear maps where players can just run off and kill everything leaving you behind. Extra features come from air support as does resupply with cooldowns. These are all great ideas that solve some of the most awkward parts of warframe gameplay now without requiring nerfs to speed or damage or capabilities. - ammo limits are already in place on the worst AoE offender weapons, for other weapons this would basically be a straight nerf. ammo doesn't really limit time per se, it just limits the time you spend fighting instead of running around waiting to get more ammo. it's not everyone's idea of fun to dump a couple mags then have to run for your life every 5 minutes, and it works in Helldivers because there's actual danger of being killed: even when we're out of ammo, why would our heavily shielded/armored warframes with powerful melee weapons ever need to run away? it wouldn't work in warframe at all. - we have open worlds, and if you've ever played on them in public matchmaking, you've probably encountered one or two people who go fishing or mining while everyone esle is trying to get the bounty done; in Helldivers it's hella risky to strike out on your own because again, you are squish as hell and ammo is limited, so safety is in numbers. you still get people doing this in warframe, especially since there's no risk to being caught alone by enemies. - we already have powers, we don't need air support, though it does remind me how Vauban's 3 is an awesome looking power that should be buffed. 7 hours ago, trst said: The only "catch" is that ST:E is still in early access. and it's not coming to console. there are other platforms around after all! I'd play that too if I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) There's really not enough to Helldivers 2 for Warframe to draw influence from it. I'd rather DE look at games like COD in terms of technical stuff like the quality of animations, sound design, and general enemy behavior, and Battlefield in terms of a combined arms-approach to open world, and maybe something like Destiny 2 in terms of having social gameplay spaces where many players can engage in gameplay in the same gameplay space. Beyond that, there are things that DE can do with Warframe without needed to look at other games. They really just need to be dedicated to make the gameplay the absolute best it can be and to expand the gameplay experience. EDIT: Having played a *lot* more Helldivers, one thing I will say DE could draw from Helldivers 2 is how explosions feel. I'd add to that enemy behavior, particularly Infested enemy behavior. There's some cool things with the Terminids that DE could draw from to make the Infested feel more threatening. Edited March 1 by OniDax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CephalonCarnage Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 (edited) 8 hours ago, (PSN)robotwars7 said: I've been playing it A LOT and I have to agree, it's a fantastic game, but it's not without bugs.. and I'm not just talking about the ones that get mowed down by the hundreds, like, the Devs are workign 12 hours shifts because there's server-side issues and the actual number of people playing dwarfs the number they expected... Arrowhead could genuinely "make it outta the hood with this one", maybe even get some awards, but only once the game is fixed. personally I intend to keep playing for the foreseeable and spend my time between warframe updates there. all that said, it's a VERY different game from warframe: - ammo limits are already in place on the worst AoE offender weapons, for other weapons this would basically be a straight nerf. ammo doesn't really limit time per se, it just limits the time you spend fighting instead of running around waiting to get more ammo. it's not everyone's idea of fun to dump a couple mags then have to run for your life every 5 minutes, and it works in Helldivers because there's actual danger of being killed: even when we're out of ammo, why would our heavily shielded/armored warframes with powerful melee weapons ever need to run away? it wouldn't work in warframe at all. - we have open worlds, and if you've ever played on them in public matchmaking, you've probably encountered one or two people who go fishing or mining while everyone esle is trying to get the bounty done; in Helldivers it's hella risky to strike out on your own because again, you are squish as hell and ammo is limited, so safety is in numbers. you still get people doing this in warframe, especially since there's no risk to being caught alone by enemies. - we already have powers, we don't need air support, though it does remind me how Vauban's 3 is an awesome looking power that should be buffed. and it's not coming to console. there are other platforms around after all! I'd play that too if I could. WRT open worlds, the difference is that an open world tries to be everything all at once. A HD2 mission wouldn't be that, there wouldn't be any fishing or mining to do. It would be all mission (like say, survival) but over a larger area with more points of battle and areas to locate and manage as part of the mission. Not much different from regular missions except ot be a lot less linear. Ammo, I thought it'd be a cool feature to have to manage your ammo to provide a way to regulate the mission length that wasn't just kill everything until you're bored. Getting rid of drops also stops the loot farming attitudes we have, instead you go get the loot from locations. It mixes things up a little and WF needs some of that. Air support adds some interest ideas, as we alreayd have similar flavour of mechanics in things like Zariman tower defence where you build the turrets, This could add a lot more features to that I think. 11 hours ago, Hexerin said: Taking inspiration from a game that installs malware on your system is not the great take you think it is. HD2 production team are obviously stoopids. WF production team are awesome. What was your point? Overall, I think as games go for DE to take inspiration from (and there are a lot showing in WF development over the years), this one wouldn't be a bad concept to take on. It obviously woulnd't be anything really like HD2, but the basis of it would give DE something other than another linear exterminate run, or a mobile defence. The only thing they've really added that's "new" is the collect-the-mushrooms parkour challenge missions. I would be very happy if we got an open-area assault mission that also incoporated railjack in some way, but I won't hold my breath on that, Edited February 13 by CephalonCarnage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkranire Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 They’ll have to keep a tighter leash on the options we can utilise so that the game can function as intended without players having to figure out what it’s meant to be like. HD2’s pretty good so far, though players aren’t also afforded the free rein of Warframe so it kind of gives no other option except to play as intended 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockscl Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Helldivers is basically Classic warframe 🙃 please dont ban me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnstarPrime Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I watched 5 minutes of a Helldivers 2 stream and was not at all interested. It seems like Warframe has come a long way, baby! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeaHands Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 How exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiga Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Third person gun shooting in space with bugs and robots? Because that's about the only thing it has in common. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)FrDiabloFr Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 34 minutes ago, rockscl said: 🙃 please dont ban me Played 15 hours of helldivers 2, and have played warframe for some time, helldivers has minimal similarities to warframe. 1 minute ago, Kaiga said: Third person gun shooting in space with bugs and robots? Because that's about the only thing it has in common. Yep, you pretty much got the only similarities. Edited February 28 by (PSN)FrDiabloFr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)C11H22O11 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) Looks dull from searching it a bit, can you tell which part is similar? Edited February 28 by (XBOX)C11H22O11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawbeard Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 all third person shooters look the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockscl Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 When warframe was tactical coop shooter i mean, except the open maps, it was all about keeping you and your teams alive and having enough ammo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)FrDiabloFr Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, (XBOX)C11H22O11 said: Looks dull from searching it a bit, can you tell which part is similar? Helldivers honestly it’s closer similar game play wise etc to a game called remnant from the ashes if you’re familiar with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiga Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Classic warframe, or even dark sector was a lot more of a dead space-y horror survival game than helldivers 2. Helldivers 2, is the 2008 star wars battlefront third person commando experience gloriously reborn, which is nothing like warframe at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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