topshrek Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Reason I think a fully cured Grineer may be stronger than a Warframe is because Tyl Regor's Tubemen are OP but only slightly enhanced and not even close to being cured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Mechanized Mind Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Didn't Tyl figure out how to fix the issues with cloning, and also enhance the clones at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Graysmog Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I mean, to be fair, in the early days they could also kill Sentients, so I think they'd be pretty tough foes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Grimsley Clause Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, (Xbox One)MAveric215 said: Didn't Tyl figure out how to fix the issues with cloning, and also enhance the clones at the same time? That's why Lotus sent us in to assassinate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topshrek Posted March 28, 2017 Author Share Posted March 28, 2017 Just now, (Xbox One)ALG Minuscule36 said: That's why Lotus sent us in to assassinate him. 4 minutes ago, (Xbox One)MAveric215 said: Didn't Tyl figure out how to fix the issues with cloning, and also enhance the clones at the same time? They are healthier than normal Grineer but not even close to cured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingLlama Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Regor did not so much cure his experimental clones as just enhance their physical abilities, cover them in the best tech he can find, and possibly render them even more mentally unstable in the process. As for their lifespan and health, nobody knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Pengu_Imperialus Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 1 minute ago, FlyingLlama said: Regor did not so much cure his experimental clones as just enhance their physical abilities, cover them in the best tech he can find, and possibly render them even more mentally unstable in the process. As for their lifespan and health, nobody knows. Lifespan... about 20 seconds from spawn to death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeithanDiniem Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) Considering Warframes can suffer a fatal blow 4 times (5 with a completed arcane artifact) and come back? Not really, no. They would be stronger yes, which would upset the balance between them and the Corpus which would quickly dissolve the war into a route. A one on one with a Warframe though canonically would probably still result in the frame being able to take them on easily. Edited March 28, 2017 by NeithanDiniem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaleek Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Really would depend on it's level i guess. Also depends on how you define "stronger". Able to do more damage/take more punishment? Even regular grineer at high level are capable of that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miser_able Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 A pure grineer would be a human. What tyl did was find a way to improve them and keep them genetically stable enough to be cloned. So no a pure grineer would get rekt. How ever a perfect clone from tyl regors lab would probably be equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukinu_u Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Technically, fully cured Grineer are Orokin, because they were initially clone of Grineer queens that were Orokin themselves. We dont exactly know what Orokin were able to do without technology, but they dominated the solar system, so we can consider their "base body" were enough good to still alive and evolve to smart life forms. Also, Tyl Regor's tube mens probably have some technology that make them stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Mechanized Mind Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Actually I think you're right. I believe he developed a cure, or a way to undo the negative effects of cloning, but hasn't had the chance to implement it yet (due to us breaking into his lab and sabotaging his research). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrayArchon Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, lukinu_u said: Technically, fully cured Grineer are Orokin, because they were initially clone of Grineer queens that were Orokin themselves. We dont exactly know what Orokin were able to do without technology, but they dominated the solar system, so we can consider their "base body" were enough good to still alive and evolve to smart life forms. The Grineer aren't clones of the Queens. The Grineer predated the Queens. The Queens were just (some of?) the only Orokin to survive the Collapse and have the knowledge to control the Grineer. The Orokin took over the solar system with technology. It was their technology that gave them their eminence, not any inherent quality about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiancaRoughfin Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) 34 minutes ago, lukinu_u said: Technically, fully cured Grineer are Orokin Not actually true, Grineers were genetically created to be Labor workers and work happily without questioning or resting until they die. Since the Orokin were no longer around to continue repairing their genetic samples, the Grineers had no option but to clone one another which led to the samples becoming deteriorated in time. The Worm queen despite being an Orokin has the ability to pass her mind on to other bodies which leads me to believe at some point during the war her original body got severely damaged and she was forced to take on the body of one of the clone workers, this explains why despite consuming Kuva, her body continued to Age and her Gene alone is no longe suitable for repairing the Grineer`s, it also explains her desperate desire to possess a Tenno as the Void energies not only strengthen us but also makes us perpetually young. Edited March 28, 2017 by BiancaRoughfin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achaix Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 They'd be normal human beings. Curing Grineer doesn't make them stronger, it just makes them not rot and suffer from hundreds of diseases and disorders. The Tenno are taking out Tyl's labs because that way they're leaving the Grineer incapable of reverting their condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achaix Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) Post got cloned, must have been Tyl's work. Edited March 28, 2017 by Achaix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotyke Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 29 minutes ago, BiancaRoughfin said: it also explains her desperate desire to possess a Tenno as the Void energies not only strengthen us but also makes us perpetually young. Arguably. We dont have any solid proof that we dont age. The time on the Moon doesnt count because cryostasis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topshrek Posted March 28, 2017 Author Share Posted March 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Achaix said: They'd be normal human beings. Curing Grineer doesn't make them stronger, it just makes them not rot and suffer from hundreds of diseases and disorders. The Tenno are taking out Tyl's labs because that way they're leaving the Grineer incapable of reverting their condition. Diseases, disorders, and rotting would make you extremely weak comparatively. If a normal person 1v1'd a cripple the normal guy would probably win. Grineer being physically stronger than Corpus is a huge feat considering they are basically walking birth defects. Also I don't think Grineer and Corpus/Orokin are the same subspecies despite diverging from humans, like how there is Homo Sapien and Neanderthals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achaix Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, topshrek said: Diseases, disorders, and rotting would make you extremely weak comparatively. If a normal person 1v1'd a cripple the normal guy would probably win. Grineer being physically stronger than Corpus is a huge feat considering they are basically walking birth defects. Also I don't think Grineer and Corpus/Orokin are the same subspecies despite diverging from humans, like how there is Homo Sapien and Neanderthals. Cybernetic augmentations. All Grineer have them to some degree in order to survive. Sure, you could probably beat a cripple, but not a cripple who reinforced his skeleton with metal supports, got hooked up to performance-enhancing drugs and is armed with a laser meat cleaver. Edited March 28, 2017 by Achaix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 no way, frames are far more powerful than any individual Grineer unit, even more so than Bosses, with all their fancy augments: Vay Hek augmented himself to the Extreme in anticipation of a battle with the Tenno, and he still got his a$$ handed to him, as they all do. we're magical Space Ninjas with Futuristic guns, we can take on just about anyone short of those with truly god-like powers, like Goku or Superman or something. if we can beat the Sentients, we can easily beat a Grineer with a slightly better skin complexion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xardis Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 50 minutes ago, Kaotyke said: Arguably. We dont have any solid proof that we dont age. The time on the Moon doesnt count because cryostasis. We were not in cryostasis on the Lua. It would mean that Operator brains would not operate, and thats not true since we were piloting warframe before Lua got into realspace and 2nd Dream happened. As to "we dont age" - Tenno are geneticly Orokin, we dont know how old can Orokin be. But we know that Corpus live for far longer than humans of today. Darvo is 105 and is considered very young. And Corpus are desendents of middle class Orokin. We dont know how teh reservoir affected Operator bodies but it surely wasnt cryostasis. On top of that we dont know how long can an Orokin live, Queens we Orokin but not geneticly, they transfered their mind to new bodies. The only other living Orokin is Teshin, but he is Dax, we dont know if it affect the lifespan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChatNinja Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 What exactly is it that needs to be done for them to be considered "cured?" I know they are unstable clones that use prosthetics for any parts that either don't grow or fall off but Regors Tubemen seem to have no problems and are in fact better. So is being "cured" mean they are able to bear children, to live a life without possible health problems, and have stable mental functions? Just random stuff I think about somethings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotyke Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Xardis said: We were not in cryostasis on the Lua. It would mean that Operator brains would not operate, and thats not true since we were piloting warframe before Lua got into realspace and 2nd Dream happened. As to "we dont age" - Tenno are geneticly Orokin, we dont know how old can Orokin be. But we know that Corpus live for far longer than humans of today. Darvo is 105 and is considered very young. And Corpus are desendents of middle class Orokin. We dont know how teh reservoir affected Operator bodies but it surely wasnt cryostasis. On top of that we dont know how long can an Orokin live, Queens we Orokin but not geneticly, they transfered their mind to new bodies. The only other living Orokin is Teshin, but he is Dax, we dont know if it affect the lifespan. One of the things we have to stop is the misconception of what is an "Orokin", they were not a race. They were a caste. Just like the Royalty/Noblity/Clergy/Peasantry in the old times. Teshin was a Dax, same as a "Knight", the Corpus were likely in a "Noblity" to "Peasant" situation. The Orokin could be considered "Royalty" since at the time there were no one higher than themselves and even then, there seems to have sub-castes in the Orokin Caste, same with the old Royalty had "Prince Consort", "Heir to the Throne" and "Backup Prince". As for Teshin, its a question as to how is he still alive. The Orokin gave the Dax "great power, great strenght", but I very much doubt it was Kuva and their secret to immortality. Its unkown. But a theory is that Teshin is something of a Cybord? Or something like a Cephalon in a synthetic body? His voice does sound synthetic to an extend. Also, it is known that we were asleep at the time, but we dont know for sure how much of the bodies functions were active. As far as we know the Somatic link in the Reservoir could keep our bodies asleep but could keep our minds active? Or we were really in any way shape or form in stasis and were truly only sleeping. Its speculation at this point, neither of us can be right or wrong in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xardis Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 7 hours ago, Kaotyke said: One of the things we have to stop is the misconception of what is an "Orokin", they were not a race. They were a caste. Just like the Royalty/Noblity/Clergy/Peasantry in the old times. Teshin was a Dax, same as a "Knight", the Corpus were likely in a "Noblity" to "Peasant" situation. The Orokin could be considered "Royalty" since at the time there were no one higher than themselves and even then, there seems to have sub-castes in the Orokin Caste, same with the old Royalty had "Prince Consort", "Heir to the Throne" and "Backup Prince". In a sense, you are correct. Orokin were a royalty, but the empire was also called Orokin, and their citizens. Orokin were a caste, but we dont know names for other castes. Corpus was not a name for other class but for a family unit. At that point we can say that Orokin, as citizens of Orokin empire, were geneticly very diffrent that their slaves - Grineer. In that way Orokin were a race. A race of humans that is. In a stronger sense than today. The distinction from Grineer is huge. How far have Corpus diverged from Orokin (as a citizen)? We dont know, we can only say, not much since for Hunhow Corpus are still Orokin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvaDreams Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, Xardis said: In a sense, you are correct. Orokin were a royalty, but the empire was also called Orokin, and their citizens. Orokin were a caste, but we dont know names for other castes. Corpus was not a name for other class but for a family unit. At that point we can say that Orokin, as citizens of Orokin empire, were geneticly very diffrent that their slaves - Grineer. In that way Orokin were a race. A race of humans that is. In a stronger sense than today. The distinction from Grineer is huge. How far have Corpus diverged from Orokin (as a citizen)? We dont know, we can only say, not much since for Hunhow Corpus are still Orokin. Actually they were genetically modified humans made to be a bit stronger and dumber, kind of what was done with slaves naturally in the past. They take the biggest and strongest for breeding but toss aside the smart ones because a smart slave questions you and thinks for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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