I think Oberon is i̶n̶ ̶a̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶t̶t̶y̶ ̶g̶o̶o̶d̶ ̶s̶p̶o̶t the best frame right now

[--GOOLOO_GOOLOO_GOOLOO--]

He might even be

Edited May 26, 2017 by --GOOLOO_GOOLOO_GOOLOO--
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[(XBOX)ultimategamerjr]

I also enjoy Oberon, he has good healing, an armor buff, and great CC. The only change I would like to see is to his smite, making it not split up damage between projectiles but other than that he is a really solid frame and one that I currently use often.

[kaliazane]

He is in such a great spot he found part time job in different game.

 

 

Edited May 25, 2017 by ViS4GE

[Tain_OSkoom]

I think I'm missing the meme. Oberon combines with boltor prime and benzine, somehow?

Benzoltorberon?

 

Yeah, I got nothin'.

[FoxyKabam]

rework needs more rework imo

uses up too much energy to do what other frames do better, cheaper

[(PSN)joshw1400]

6 minutes ago, ViS4GE said:

 

I really want that glyph :(

Edited May 25, 2017 by (PS4)joshw1400

[Vance.Stubbs]

I don't. I find other frames better at doing his job.

[yles9056]

This is actually the second time Oberon got major abilities changed. DE can be wild and creative when reworking warframe abilities, but I don't know why when it comes to Oberon, they are always very careful not to make him OP. Probably too careful that they only give him a little buff. This is exactly what happened in Oberon's previous buff.

Edited May 25, 2017 by yles9056

[Echorion]

I don't like him; because the things he does other warframes do better.

Yes I understand you are supposed to use his entire kit like other warframes- but still being meh at different things isn't as fun, nor is it as effective as being genuinely good at something else.

[IceColdHawk]

Edit your title to "I think Renewal is in a pretty good spot" and i'll agree. Because oberon certainly isn't.

[(PSN)XxDarkyanxX]

15 minutes ago, Echorion said:

I don't like him; because the things he does other warframes do better.

Yes I understand you are supposed to use his entire kit like other warframes- but still being meh at different things isn't as fun, nor is it as effective as being genuinely good at something else.

I feel like he's in a good place because, as you said, those other frames are too good at what they do.
He has CC,
augment grants buff without being a straight up game changer,
very good Status proc % over a good distance/duration
next to permanent healing along with a decent armour addition as a bonus, which helps in a fight without making you totally invincible.
He also has that one Armor reduction ability, but pushing it too 100% is harmful to your build so you won't find yourself spamming 4 like Frost to remove armor and make the fight pointless.

The energy cost is decent, you won't find yourself with 100% energy for the entire duration of the mission if you do want to use his powers.
I find that this is a somewhat huge problem in warframe, being able to have infinite energy at all time and spam powerful abilities makes the game very less difficult to play.

He's not Meta powerful, but he surely is more fun to play to me than any other frames that can render a level 500 juggernaut absolutely defenceless.

Edited May 25, 2017 by (PS4)XxDarkyanxX

[(PSN)Lei-Lei_23]

4 minutes ago, IceColdHawk said:

Edit your title to "I think Renewal is in a pretty good spot" and i'll agree. Because oberon certainly isn't.

Yeah, I'm totally fine with Oberon saving his own &#! with his fixed 25m radial health regen with Renewal. /s

I'm ok with his rework. It's on the right path, but more touch-ups could be done to get him in line. His energy boost to 637 energy with a maxed out Primed Flow was a much needed buff.

[IceColdHawk]

1 minute ago, (PS4)Lei-Lei_23 said:

Yeah, I'm totally fine with Oberon saving his own &#! with his fixed 25m radial health regen with Renewal. /s

Are you implying his renewal is crap? lmao...

All you have to do is spawn a carpet, call your team mates to stand on it for a second and then cast renewal. Boom. Infinite range. Infinite duration (unless you run out of energy). This and the boss-cheesing smite are the only things that can make a player decide to pick oberon, unless it's just for fashionframes sake.

[(PSN)Lei-Lei_23]

Just now, IceColdHawk said:

Are you implying his renewal is crap? lmao...

All you have to do is spawn a carpet, call your team mates to stand on it for a second and then cast renewal. Boom. Infinite range. Infinite duration (unless you run out of energy). This and the boss-cheesing smite are the only things that can make a player decide to pick oberon, unless it's just for fashionframes sake.

Nah, I'm just poking fun at the initial criticism for Renewal when the range cap was first announced. Regardless, I'm actually a huge fan of this iteration to Renewal with its armor buff synergy to Hallowed Ground and the constant un-inhibited health regen. I run Arcane Energize with him, so energy drains aren't an issue for me unless I'm constantly spamming Reckoning.

[IceColdHawk]

Just now, (PS4)Lei-Lei_23 said:

Nah, I'm just poking fun at the initial criticism for Renewal when the range cap was first announced. Regardless, I'm actually a huge fan of this iteration to Renewal with its armor buff synergy to Hallowed Ground and the constant un-inhibited health regen. I run Arcane Energize with him, so energy drains aren't an issue for me unless I'm constantly spamming Reckoning.

Okay, glad i just misunderstood you.

Getting really tired of nonsense getting flung around and when people moan about renewal being "nerfed" (yeah sure), when it's obviously the best ability that oberon currently has to offer. Incredibly good with frames like mesa or chroma. Then again, we got that one trick pony problem again. The forced synergy for armor renewal is too weak and reckoning has a too short range and too long casting time at once. It also seems to be that the "blind" is not even part of reckoning anymore. Looks like a bug though.

[Darkvramp]

If he is in a good place then why is he still useless? why would i use him in any situation unless i want to have a hard time? in any situation that he could possibly be good in there is another frame that can do that game play better and still provide for the mission besides filling the role. If i want to buff the survival ability of my teammates, then i can use nezha and his augment and provide damage mitigation vs damage reduction at a cheaper energy cost in comparison to oberon.if i wanted heals i use trinity, if i want damage any other damage frame does it better than he can.

the thing is that DE does not tell us where he should sit, they let us think he should be somewhere when they want him to be somewhere else. What do they want the game to be centered around for damage and survival ability? Its like they dont know what they want. which leads to things like the oberon rework.

[Chipputer]

8 minutes ago, Darkvramp said:

If he is in a good place then why is he still useless?

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[(XBOX)Ivan of Jupiter]

11 minutes ago, Darkvramp said:

If he is in a good place then why is he still useless? why would i use him in any situation unless i want to have a hard time? in any situation that he could possibly be good in there is another frame that can do that game play better and still provide for the mission besides filling the role. If i want to buff the survival ability of my teammates, then i can use nezha and his augment and provide damage mitigation vs damage reduction at a cheaper energy cost in comparison to oberon.if i wanted heals i use trinity, if i want damage any other damage frame does it better than he can.

the thing is that DE does not tell us where he should sit, they let us think he should be somewhere when they want him to be somewhere else. What do they want the game to be centered around for damage and survival ability? Its like they dont know what they want. which leads to things like the oberon rework.

Oberon does have a role. You just fail to see how good that role can be. He's a jack of all trades and a master of none. In a sea of frames that are a master of something. That may sound like he's useless, but it's quite the opposite actually. His rework allows him to be something we don't normally have. A frame that can support other frames in a variety of ways rather than just a single avenue.

[Vulpei]

Still needs more work done on him.  Renewal uses way too much energy and getting everyone standing on the shag carpet is pretty frustrating to do.

The armor buff should be applied to everyone so long as Oberon is in Hallowed Grounds while Renewal is cast, power duration shouldn't be linked to Renewals energy drain, and honestly the base drain rate of renewal just shouldn't exist (It's literally draining energy while absolutely nothing). 

Sure he's usable, but it doesn't change the fact that other frames do what he does much better.

[malekas]

1 minute ago, (Xbox One)DRG JupiterIvan said:

Oberon does have a role. You just fail to see how good that role can be. He's a jack of all trades and a master of none. In a sea of frames that are a master of something. That may sound like he's useless, but it's quite the opposite actually. His rework allows him to be something we don't normally have. A frame that can support other frames in a variety of ways rather than just a single avenue.

Equinox, Volt, and Rhino are better jack of all trades than Oberon could ever dream of. And this argument that it's okay for Oberon to be mediocre because he does a little bit of everything is absurd. 

DE needs to un-clusterf*** his abilities, figure out what they intend each ability to do, and make it do that well. 

[Darkvramp]

35 minutes ago, (Xbox One)DRG JupiterIvan said:

Oberon does have a role. You just fail to see how good that role can be. He's a jack of all trades and a master of none. In a sea of frames that are a master of something. That may sound like he's useless, but it's quite the opposite actually. His rework allows him to be something we don't normally have. A frame that can support other frames in a variety of ways rather than just a single avenue.

I understand his role, and it is nowhere, and if he sounds useless he is useless that's how that works.

21 minutes ago, malekas said:

Equinox, Volt, and Rhino are better jack of all trades than Oberon could ever dream of. And this argument that it's okay for Oberon to be mediocre because he does a little bit of everything is absurd. 

DE needs to un-clusterf*** his abilities, figure out what they intend each ability to do, and make it do that well. 

^^^^^^^^^ this here answers @(Xbox One)DRG JupiterIvan quote of good jack of all trades frames that do anything that oberon does and do it better plus more. right now oberon consumes too much energy for not enough effect with a forced clunky synergy that will not change because DE like band aid solutions.

[SenorClipClop]

32 minutes ago, malekas said:

Equinox, Volt, and Rhino are better jack of all trades than Oberon could ever dream of.

Of these three you mention, two are jacks of only a few trades. Only Equinox can heal, none of them have the Status immunity and bleedout extension Oberon gives. And while Equinox can heal, it's locked into Night mode and behind at least a few seconds of building stacks. To heal as Equinox, you either have to pre-empt the damage or stop whatever you're doing and get Mend up and running. Oberon gets to have it on instantly and continuously.

Oberon is effective. I think the issue many players have with him (even before the rework) is that Oberon feels really lackluster unless the mission is actually proving difficult for the Tenno. Continual heals mean nothing for a squad that doesn't take continued damage. Status cleanse is useless if the Status effects don't pose a threat. Bleedout extension doesn't matter if Tenno never get downed. Armor buffs mean nothing if you're only taking light shield damage. If the mission is too easy, Oberon isn't useful. And in a game where we get to choose both the power level of ourselves and that of our enemies, nearly all missions are far too easy. Oberon's multi-competence excels in saving your team's butts, but if their butts don't need saving he isn't a competitive pick. When there's actual challenge, he's a saint.

32 minutes ago, malekas said:

And this argument that it's okay for Oberon to be mediocre because he does a little bit of everything is absurd. 

Let's look at this way: since he does everything, making him equally good at something a specialist does would be the death of that specialist. If he healed as well as Trinity, Trinity would be useless since Oberon could do her job and also deal some damage and provide CC (excepting EV, but then that's literally all Trin would be good for). If he could damage as well as Ember, Ember would suck by comparison because Oberon could match the thing she's best at, but have survivability on top.

If we look at the Warframes holistically, Oberon is in a good spot. Right now I compare him to Frost in terms of power and general use. Oberon's 1 and 2 are better than Frost's (Smite is leagues above Freeze), their 3s are about on par (Frost's is damage-preventative and Bro's is damage-restorative). Frost's 4 is stronger at base, but Oberon's can become as good or better as long as you're using his other skills in conjunction.

Edited May 25, 2017 by SenorClipClop

[Vivian]

2 hours ago, --GOOLOO_GOOLOO_GOOLOO-- said:

He might even be

Good one... Though.... You could add "Ortho"s-prime and a" Para"cyst. 

Edited May 25, 2017 by VBNXS

[Darkvramp]

 

4 minutes ago, SenorClipClop said:

Let's look at this way: since he does everything, making him equally good at something a specialist does would be the death of that specialist. If he healed as well as Trinity, Trinity would be useless since Oberon could do her job and also deal some damage and provide CC (excepting E, but then that's literally all Trin would be good for). If he could damage as well as Ember, Ember would suck by comparison because Oberon could match the thing she's best at, but have survivability on top.

If we look at the Warframes holistically, Oberon is in a good spot. Right now I compare him to Frost in terms of power and general use. Oberon's 1 and 2 are better than Frost's (Smite is leagues above Freeze), their 3s are about on par (Frost's is damage-preventative and Bro's is damage-restorative). Frost's 4 is stronger at base, but Oberon's can become as good or better as long as you're using his other skills in conjunction.

to be as good as trinity he would have to A provide damage reduction that scales, B provide that same lvl of damage reduction to the team,  C give people energy, D HEAL INSTANTLY.

Frost is leagues better than oberon, because his cc last longer and he has damage mitigation as long as you stay in the bubble vs oberons minuscule damage reduction as long as you are on the tiny conic hollowed ground when he casts renewal. frost also cracks armor with greater efficiency than oberon can.

so no oberon is not in a good place he is useless, out classed even by hydroid with is augment for its ability to manipulate rng.

[--GOOLOO_GOOLOO_GOOLOO--]

3 minutes ago, VBNXS said:

Good one... Though.... You could add "Ortho"s-prime and a" Para"cyst. 

But Boltor prime is a meta-directing substituent and is strongly deactivating player skill, a suitable electrophile would be Oberon to restabilize player skill on the meta position.

Orthos Prime and Paracyst would only react if we perform a de-boltor-primization reaction by adding a catalyst such as Prime Vault. Because the Oberon substituent is para/ortho directing, the reaction can then take place with the Orthos Prime being favored because the Paracyst is very basic.