Caliboom Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) Danse Macabre energy cost increased from 12.5 to 20 energy per second. Just...why? What's the point? It was fine the way it was, most of the community agreed that it was fine. Why did you listen to that one content creator who complained about it instead of actually listening to the community? I knew this would end up happening. Edited August 30, 2018 by Caliboom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DarkWraitH- Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 It's like they don't even want us to play him, same thing with the new (T0) amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LascarCapable Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just build a bit more for efficiency and duration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imstillnotsure123 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 It's probably because they wanted people to actually use Revenant for his other abilities, since on release Revenant was basically useless apart from his ult, making him a one trick pony. I agree the change is stupid though, should make his other abilities useful rather than nerf the one good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Presumably the reason is to get people off their butts and moving around to pick up energy orbs or something, rather than pressing 4 on Hydron and going to the toilet. Shrug I don't like or agree with the playstyle, but even I think 20 might be a bit too much. If DE want to limit how long people are just sitting there doing nothing, then give it a duration so that they have to recast it frequently or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.macie2 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Why???? I liked not using fleeting and using all powers....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.macie2 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Why???? I liked not using fleeting and using all powers....... Probably because Brozime actually posted a build for it. om Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.macie2 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Why???? I liked not using fleeting and using all powers....... Probably because Brozime actually posted a build for it. omg we are back to full saryn squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeclem Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 i'd personally be fine with this change if they actually made his other abilities worth using. sorry but 3 more thralls that wont even do proper damage against the enemy units wont make him good de. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-Shadowblade Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) According to Redtext, the ability had been used too much as a "fire and forget" ability due to the builds people were using. This new value is a test value and they are taking feedback. So lets get some actual data shall we? Edited August 30, 2018 by Omega-Shadowblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaban75 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I just came out of the toilet and what is this?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMrs Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 So that reveanant is more useless than mesa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noibat Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 IDK what everyone is doing with their builds to assume that 4 is his only decent skill... Everything but his thrall ability is awesome. The hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tiddler Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, Noibat said: IDK what everyone is doing with their builds to assume that 4 is his only decent skill... Everything but his thrall ability is awesome. The hell? Even his thralls are useful. Enemies seem to actively avoid shooting you if a thrall is up, making them very useful for survivability. 4+ hour MOT survivals are a snooze with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeclem Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Noibat said: IDK what everyone is doing with their builds to assume that 4 is his only decent skill... Everything but his thrall ability is awesome. The hell? his 2 needs grace periods between consumation of each stack to be really useful and his 3 costs way too much for what it does. how is these abilities useful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noibat Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, Zeclem said: his 2 needs grace periods between consumation of each stack to be really useful and his 3 costs way too much for what it does. how is these abilities useful? His invincibility, even at high levels, can last for a LONG time when paired with Thrall. It doesn't need to be spammed, and has a utility that Rhino lacks, in being able to reflect damage. How is it NOT useful? As for his vampire ability [forget what it's called] I don't really find it too expensive at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noibat Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, The_Tiddler said: Even his thralls are useful. Enemies seem to actively avoid shooting you if a thrall is up, making them very useful for survivability. 4+ hour MOT survivals are a snooze with him. Aye, it's useful for sure, but of the 4, that one definitely needs the most love. I find 4 thralls is a bit low. Still a good skill, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tiddler Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, Noibat said: Aye, it's useful for sure, but of the 4, that one definitely needs the most love. I find 4 thralls is a bit low. Still a good skill, though. It was upped to 7! I'd like it to be scaled off of power strength, personally, or made so teammates can't kill them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeclem Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, Noibat said: His invincibility, even at high levels, can last for a LONG time when paired with Thrall. It doesn't need to be spammed, and has a utility that Rhino lacks, in being able to reflect damage. How is it NOT useful? As for his vampire ability [forget what it's called] I don't really find it too expensive at all. 75 energy for a dash that steals some hp is very much expensive. and reflected damage is not useful at all, enemies have way higher ehp than us, their guns arent good enough to damage themselves in any significant way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noibat Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, The_Tiddler said: It was upped to 7! I'd like it to be scaled off of power strength, personally, or made so teammates can't kill them. WHAAAAAT?! Awesome! I agree that I'd like to see a power scaling option, but still, the way it functions as a disease, spreading from one to another, 7 could be managed. I'm all for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noibat Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Zeclem said: 75 energy for a dash that steals some hp is very much expensive. and reflected damage is not useful at all, enemies have way higher ehp than us, their guns arent good enough to damage themselves in any significant way. No matter your build, you really want to MOD for efficiency with him. No rational person would run him at 100% efficiency. Again, I don't find it too expensive, when modded right. As for the reflected damage, it's still a utility that makes his invulnerability unique. And doesn't change the fact that the invulnerability is epic as it is. Edited August 30, 2018 by Noibat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverRook Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) Revenant...... Dustframe. probably pick him back up when its been fixed. Thralls count towards enemy count on defence thralls being instakilled by friendlies makes them worthless mesmer skin ..... wtf ? does anyone actually use this ? reave? considering this gives you the MOST benefit from thralls - which have probably just been insta killed by saryn/ember/volt/nukers whats the point ? its an energy hungry uncancellable dash. WoooooooooOW !!!! danse macabre was the only skill worth using and when combined with volts speed boost actually became fun to whizz round the levels collecting energy orbs and continuing the laser show. ..... sigh. shout me when you want us to use the frame and not just MRFodder fashion frame. Edited August 30, 2018 by SilverRook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threa Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) I’m very angry about this change. His 4th ability is fine and it’s what makes him so fun. Energy management was important so I was never spamming it down every corridor like they’re assuming. This change kills the frame for me and I hope they revert the change or refund me my platinum spent on his bundle. I’m that angry. Edited August 30, 2018 by Threa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight053 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, SilverRook said: Revenant...... Dustframe. probably pick him back up when its been fixed. Thralls count towards enemy count on defence thralls being instakilled by friendlies makes them worthless mesmer skin ..... wtf ? does anyone actually use this ? reave? considering this gives you the MOST benefit from thralls - which have probably just been insta killed by saryn/ember/volt/nukers whats the point ? its an energy hungry uncancellable dash. WoooooooooOW !!!! danse macabre was the only skill worth using and when combined with volts speed boost actually became fun to whizz round the levels collecting energy orbs and continuing the laser show. ..... sigh. shout me when you want us to use the frame and not just MRFodder fashion frame. you can cancel the dash by pressing 3 again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyneris Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Utterly disheartened by his 4 increase. With his lack of tankiness at high levels, being able to rely on your 4 is beyond important. Idk what they think this overshields thing is going to do ASSUMING you are the one who kills your thralls. Ugh, disheartened 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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