Sammywa123 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) Hello, just thought I would inform DE that certain people are using Excal Umbra to cheat in index. they use a rubico prime then sit in their operator and do not move the entire time, umbra then kills lots of enemies with the rubico. I would not complain about this but its the fact that they need to do it on public to make it useful as they cannot gather points themselves. Isn't there someway to make it so if players don't move at all they get 0 credits? anyway just rambling so ill stop here..... thanks Edited February 20, 2019 by sammywa123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naftal Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Could just make operator not usable in index. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammywa123 Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Naftal said: Could just make operator not usable in index. yeah but this brings another issue as I use operator to give energy regen because the energy balls don't give much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naftal Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, sammywa123 said: yeah but this brings another issue as I use operator to give energy regen because the energy balls don't give much. Like it's supposed to work in Index. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteMarker Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, sammywa123 said: Isn't there someway to make it so if players don't move at all they get 0 credits? anyway just rambling so ill stop here..... thanks You can always report them if you don't like what they are doing. Then again: What is it that you don't like about that? I didn't play index since the first event. Isn't it a group effort? Don't you benefit from them playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyosbringer Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, Naftal said: Like it's supposed to work in Index. It does if you have a teammate for tanking and getting points while you're doing the killing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyori Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Perhaps it is intended, DE approves? Because nothing is done to stop all the leeching, trolling in the game. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachnyn Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 That is literally what umbra's passive is: he can fight without you piloting him. So it cannot be called cheating. The people you call cheaters also can't just sit around at the same spot forever. They have to manage their energy, move around to not get afk-timered and keep umbra alive. And I know umbra's gimmick is there so he can fight with you, however space kid is far to weak to compete with any of the Index enemies. Also: there is no need for everyone in the group to gather points, on the contrary that actually slows the rounds down. A dedicated point carrier is far better than that. DPS should never be your point carrier. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 it's more of an exploit, there have been some in the past since it's not game breaking or giving a player advantage over another player they might not prioritize a fix for it but it'd get done eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXCrusnik Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 As said above... this isn't cheating. They are using the tools given to them in the way that they are most effective. If you can call it anything it's an exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-S-O--Sephiroth-Crescent Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 vor 1 Stunde schrieb sammywa123: Hello, just thought I would inform DE that certain people are using Excal Umbra to cheat in index. they use a rubico prime then sit in their operator and do not move the entire time, umbra then kills lots of enemies with the rubico. I would not complain about this but its the fact that they need to do it on public to make it useful as they cannot gather points themselves. Isn't there someway to make it so if players don't move at all they get 0 credits? anyway just rambling so ill stop here..... thanks its no cheating neither an exploit... can do the same with Equinox and her Duality augment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GameNerd300 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 This isn't cheating. It really just sounds like you're upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyers_of_facade Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 hours ago, sammywa123 said: Hello, just thought I would inform DE that certain people are using Excal Umbra to cheat in index. they use a rubico prime then sit in their operator and do not move the entire time, umbra then kills lots of enemies with the rubico. I would not complain about this but its the fact that they need to do it on public to make it useful as they cannot gather points themselves. Isn't there someway to make it so if players don't move at all they get 0 credits? anyway just rambling so ill stop here..... thanks Actually you can gather points while in operator mode, in fact its actually pretty safe if you play it correctly. I often leave umbra to do the shooting while I assist with my amp (void damage is a bullet attractor, which kinda helps considering how bad umbra's aim is), and collect the points that drops and do the scoring as well. In addition, even if the umbra player isn't carrying points, its not really an issue as dps not carrying points is a common thing. For example, you really shouldn't expect someone going mesa to do the point lifting. Also, you definitely have a misconception of what cheating is, using umbra + sniper is at best utilizing the game's normal mechanic to achieve efficiency. Using your way of thought, anyone who takes chroma to one shot limbs on eidolon is also cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xolgys Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 excal umbra is not a "cheat". u can faceroll index either way, solo or in a team and if someone uses excal then so be it. i dont see anything about that being a "cheat" since its just his innate special ability so to say. if someone uses it in a "regular" mission would u complain too ? index is just a more unique mission but in essence just the same. if u complain about something like this u might as well start complaining about "basic" abilities being used because there is 0 difference between umbras special property of being wannabe auto pilot on operator mode and any other ability u can utilize. its also not a bug, so "bug abuse" also does not apply which makes me wonder if this is actually a serious complaint or just ranting without real purpose... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightZodiac Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I really wouldn't call it a cheat nor an exploit considering how many ways there are for players to "play" game content with absolutely minimal effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrl Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 17 hours ago, sammywa123 said: umbra then kills lots of enemies with the rubico this sounds like the opposite of a problem to me, looks like your "leecher" is being more useful than the average index player 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AncientWarrior- Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Shame on you, looks like OP just triggered because they dont understand the best way to run index is 1 person caps while the others defend / kill.. lol .. using Umbra like that is kinda good thinking on that Tenno's behalf.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEP8FlyBoy Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) I didn't know that the first Warframe to implement complete autonomy as a key design feature can be construed as cheating in a PvE game mode. Edited February 21, 2019 by AEP8FlyBoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)haphazardlynamed Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Umbra in auto-bot mode, Scales his Level to match the enemies (like a Specter), yet retains the use of your weapon mods (unlike Specters). We don't use him because we intend to AFK, we use him because he Scales Infinitely and is extremely effective at getting kills no matter how long the match runs. And you Do need to interact with the game actively to use him, can't just read a book or something. He gets 'distracted' or stunned easily by enemy aoe attacks and I have to manually move him to safe places and position him so can get a clean shot. Any WHY? are you complaining in the first place?? he's Helping You. The Index Credit Returns are shared for all the squad. Do you Not like being Carried? Leave Squad then. Next you're going to complain about Limbo 'cheating' by casting Stasis Cataclysm on the Corpus Deposit Box and preventing them from scoring... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammywa123 Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 my point was that this person was not moving at all just standing there the entire mission while others did the work turning in points for him... I could care less if he was actually helping..funny thing is, his operator was never targeted by the enemy and he never went invisible.. im not the only one that was seeing this as cheating everyone else in the squad was claiming to report him. I guess I was just the only one doing it here. anyway thanks for the comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBaw Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Its not cheating. No, they wheren't turning in points, that doesn't make anyone a leach either. Typical play in the index usually comes down to.. A - Carry - People bring a tank to pick up everything that drops and turn in once they reach 15 or 20 base count B - Kill - People show up on a DPS frame to quickly kill enemies, they usually take a solitary position on the map and keep an area clear C - Both - Some people show up to Kill and Carry I don't look down on the killers any more than I'd look down on the tanks for being too tanky. All 3 of those methods are viable and contribute to the games success in the index. If anyone wants to put up an argument saying it leans heavier one way or another I'd say you're just inexperienced and haven't been in there long enough to see all 3 versions play out pretty much equally. I have. There are other less used methods like using Ash or invis frames to avoid being targeted. While these methods can work great as well I'd say some of them where a little less fair to group play as it makes the visible frames the center of attention, maybe attention they don't necessarily want to own. I wouldn't call this guy standing still in one place a cheater or say they aren't contributing to play any more than I would say a Mesa doing the exact same thing is cheating. Its just how the index is played. Duality Equinox can do the same thing. The only main difference is you see an operator standing beside the warframe that is not moving, instead of just a warframe that is not moving. Right now it just feels off because the Specter version of Umbra doesn't register the kills to the player so things just "appear" to randomly die. Its still not cheating, other frames do this, its typical index game play, and all within the bounds of how DE built Umbra. If how DE built Umbra and its specter form are an issue, I'd go post your thoughts in the Feedback > Warframes section. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--END--Rikutatis Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 It'll be nerfed somehow by DE at some point, it could take several months, but this is exactly the sort of stuff DE likes to nerf (play styles that are not engaging and just promote afk play). I just really hope the passive doesn't become useless or boring after the nerf, because I honestly really love it. It'd be a shame if they nerfed this too hard just because people have been using it to farm Index. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xolgys Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 vor 4 Minuten schrieb --END--Rikutatis: It'll be nerfed somehow by DE at some point, it could take several months, but this is exactly the sort of stuff DE likes to nerf (play styles that are not engaging and just promote afk play). I just really hope the passive doesn't become useless or boring after the nerf, because I honestly really love it. It'd be a shame if they nerfed this too hard just because people have been using it to farm Index. thats the problem. ppl complain over nothing serious as if it was though and in the end its nerfed into the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)gemsbuck22 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 On 2019-02-20 at 4:53 AM, sammywa123 said: Hello, just thought I would inform DE that certain people are using Excal Umbra to cheat in index. they use a rubico prime then sit in their operator and do not move the entire time, umbra then kills lots of enemies with the rubico. I would not complain about this but its the fact that they need to do it on public to make it useful as they cannot gather points themselves. Isn't there someway to make it so if players don't move at all they get 0 credits? anyway just rambling so ill stop here..... thanks But it works and it’s effective so why complain. You people are the reason fun stuff is removed. This is why we can’t have nice things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimAtrament Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) OH GOD PLAYERS NOT PLAYING THE WAY I WANT THEM TO WHAT A NIGHTMARE!!!/s also you know that when umbra is in that mode he can still be downed by enemies. making you go down with him right? Edited February 21, 2019 by hazerddex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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