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It would be nice to see the Wolf at least once. 75 hours or so played since the start of Nightwave and max ranked it last week and haven't seen him even once ha ha. 

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11 minutes ago, SECURATYYY said:

Level 7 excals beating him with their MK1-bo's like "WHY WON'T IT DIE"

That sounds about right. That's where you get to see what they're made of. Who's going to be whine about the enemy that they couldn't beat yet, the ones who sit back and say "how the heck do I kill that thing" and, the ones that laugh gleefully at the slaughter and race back into the mission hoping to run into it again. 

You see the same thing in Eidolon hunts where some newb shows up, sees the hulking giant and rushes in wanting to kill it. They give it their all, and learn that sometimes they that's just not good enough, but that if they improve, then eventually they'll be able to get it done. 

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20 minutes ago, Bl00dRedRage said:

It would be nice to see the Wolf at least once. 75 hours or so played since the start of Nightwave and max ranked it last week and haven't seen him even once ha ha. 

Congrats on tier 30, Tenno! 

Make sure that you're in nodes where he can spawn, and try to not have any other assassins looking for you. 

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On 2019-04-21 at 1:16 PM, Zilchy said:

I just shoot him.

untill you run out of ammo?

then spend 30 minutes with melee, if you were lucky enough to have taken a tanky enough frame that doesnt die in one shot from a firesplash.
 

 

this has happened at least 3 times in Hydron, where a level 70 wolf was gotten to at best 50% hp before host quit, resetting the HP.

 

i bring my Valkyr and it still takes 5 extra minutes in hydron.. there is no benefit to staying for most people, and i already have the hammer.

 

an assassination vs an assassin, the assassin pops in where players might be flat out unable to deal, even the veterans, the assassination you know you are going to fight a tought enemy and have the ability to prep.

Players cannot simply bring their strongest anti Wolf frame EVERY SINGLE MATCH.

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29 minutes ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

untill you run out of ammo?

then spend 30 minutes with melee, if you were lucky enough to have taken a tanky enough frame that doesnt die in one shot from a firesplash.
 

 

this has happened at least 3 times in Hydron, where a level 70 wolf was gotten to at best 50% hp before host quit, resetting the HP.

 

i bring my Valkyr and it still takes 5 extra minutes in hydron.. there is no benefit to staying for most people, and i already have the hammer.

 

an assassination vs an assassin, the assassin pops in where players might be flat out unable to deal, even the veterans, the assassination you know you are going to fight a tought enemy and have the ability to prep.

Players cannot simply bring their strongest anti Wolf frame EVERY SINGLE MATCH.

Nope. My standard primary loadout for playing this game is Rubico Prime, it drops him in seconds. It's not a bother to mod it for radiation instead of viral since it 1 shots every enemy anyway.  The frame you use doesn't matter at all I've killed him on Inaros, a glass cannon nova, limbo and loki. I also have my archgun modded for radiation for the few occasions he shows up and I've modified my loadout. I also always use smeeta kavat for resource buff and she has sharpened claws. Bringing an archgun also doesn't change the amount of affinity gained if you don't deploy it.

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2 minutes ago, Zilchy said:

Nope. My standard primary loadout for playing this game is Rubico Prime, it drops him in seconds. It's not a bother to mod it for radiation instead of viral since it 1 shots every enemy anyway.  The frame you use doesn't matter at all I've killed him on Inaros, a glass cannon nova, limbo and loki. I also have my archgun modded for radiation for the few occasions he shows up and I've modified my loadout. I also always use smeeta kavat for resource buff and she has sharpened claws. Bringing an archgun also doesn't change the amount of affinity gained if you don't deploy it.

Nope, i can say for a fact that you do not ALWAYS use that weapon as you would never get mastery ranks if you did.

your response ignores that as i said, Not everyone will always bring the perfect weapon/frame for dealing with the wolf, or even want to bring them.

also i would LOVE to see a video of you killing him in "seconds" when he spawns at level 70 on hydron.

 

 

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29 minutes ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

Nope, i can say for a fact that you do not ALWAYS use that weapon as you would never get mastery ranks if you did.

your response ignores that as i said, Not everyone will always bring the perfect weapon/frame for dealing with the wolf, or even want to bring them.

also i would LOVE to see a video of you killing him in "seconds" when he spawns at level 70 on hydron.

Please check my mastery rank before making that assumption. I can't give you one of Hydron because I never play Hydron, it's a very slow way of levelling and I prefer faster methods. But here's a kuva flood with him at level 65. They made him weaker since the update, that was pre-nerf. After the amalgam update I killed him in less time without stripping his armour, he got a chunky nerf.

 

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Hmmm.. that's strange, my assailant seems to have stopped replying, can't imagine why...

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19 minutes ago, Zilchy said:

Hmmm.. that's strange, my assailant seems to have stopped replying, can't imagine why...

lol you still dont get it do you?

your entire arguement has from the start been " i don't have trouble with it because X/Y/Z, therefore no one else should have trouble with it".  i have already stated 

1 hour ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

Not everyone will always bring the perfect weapon/frame for dealing with the wolf, or even want to bring them.

and you have utterly ignored it.

 

Yes he can be easy if you bring the right gear, but people will not always bring gear to deal with wolf spawns because A: they might not have it and B: they might be doing something else that requires a entirely differant setup and playstyle, or C : they simply dont want to use that play style..

 

Not everyone wants to bring a sniper rifle to every damm mission to deal with a random threat that requires it and isnt a part of normal gameplay.

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11 hours ago, bubbabenali said:

I don't think it's possible. Once in a random Akkad mission one of my two fellow random tried to invite his clan mate, but he said he wasn't able to join. 

 

4 hours ago, (PS4)corpusbonds said:

It doesn’t work.

 I was doing a bit of solo relics (needed junk) when the wolf came. I didn’t kill any enemies (exterminate) but when I tried to invite my fiancé it said the objective had been completed.

Alright, that's why I asked.  I felt like DE might pull a move like that and make things harder than they need to be and prevent fun like that.

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20 minutes ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

lol you still dont get it do you?

your entire arguement has from the start been " i don't have trouble with it because X/Y/Z, therefore no one else should have trouble with it".  i have already stated 

and you have utterly ignored it.

 

Yes he can be easy if you bring the right gear, but people will not always bring gear to deal with wolf spawns because A: they might not have it and B: they might be doing something else that requires a entirely differant setup and playstyle, or C : they simply dont want to use that play style..

 

Not everyone wants to bring a sniper rifle to every damm mission to deal with a random threat that requires it and isnt a part of normal gameplay.

And you've completely ignored what I've said so let me try again. There is no reason why a new player should be able to sneeze and kill an assassin, maybe Google that word, ASSASSIN. Now then, a geared player will crush Wolf, a slightly geared experienced player will also smash Wolf. If they're an experienced player they can easily mod an archgun for radiation and bring it along without even affecting their affinity gains and I'll bet most players don't even think about their archgun so don't tell me it affects their loadout. 

A newer player SHOULD have to be geared to take him on, that's not unfair that's progress. They also have the choice to ignore him in anything but a defense. But Hydron you cry... There's a reason he scales with the number of players. It's designed so that all 4 players have to contribute to his demise, there's nothing wrong with that and that's the dice you roll by playing pub and hoping that somebody else will carry you for affinity gains (if they're not bringing a decent weapon to kill things with that's what they're doing). 

You really don't need much to take him out, most of my clan mates have simply melee'd him to death with whatever melee weapon they had equipped at the time, condition overload works wonders on him.

It is extremely telling that most of the complaints about failing to kill him stem from missions on Hydron, if they weren't so intent on leeching they'd kill him much easier. 

Btw since you like to summarise ny argument I'll do the same. Your argument stems from "I know he could spawn in any mission at any time but I can't be bothered preparing for that eventuality and therefore it's bad design". That's the equivalent of there being a 5% chance of rain, not taking an umbrella and then complaining that you got wet.

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I just had to abort a mission because of the wolf. Guess I'm going to just do that from now on to save myself from wasting time. I don't think its hyperbole to say the Wolf of Saturn Six is the worst addition to Warframe. 

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3 minutes ago, CorrosiveFox said:

I just had to abort a mission because of the wolf. Guess I'm going to just do that from now on to save myself from wasting time. I don't think its hyperbole to say the Wolf of Saturn Six is the worst addition to Warframe. 

Solo or in a group?

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2 hours ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

Nope, i can say for a fact that you do not ALWAYS use that weapon as you would never get mastery ranks if you did.

your response ignores that as i said, Not everyone will always bring the perfect weapon/frame for dealing with the wolf, or even want to bring them.

also i would LOVE to see a video of you killing him in "seconds" when he spawns at level 70 on hydron.

 

 

First off that's pretty ridiculous. You can very well use one weapon while passively leveling another. 

Second I'm not using the wolf hunting meta and can take him down with one good weapon (a catchmoon kitgun in my case) with little difficulty, in short order. Just ran into him on hydron, waves 5-10. I did the vast majority of the damage. 

No I didn't kill him in seconds. It probably took a couple of minutes. 

25 minutes ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

lol you still dont get it do you?

your entire arguement has from the start been " i don't have trouble with it because X/Y/Z, therefore no one else should have trouble with it".  i have already stated 

and you have utterly ignored it.

Probably because what you said is easily demonstrably wrong, as shown above. 

25 minutes ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

Yes he can be easy if you bring the right gear, but people will not always bring gear to deal with wolf spawns because A: they might not have it and B: they might be doing something else that requires a entirely differant setup and playstyle, or C : they simply dont want to use that play style..

 

Then in the majority of those cases they have themselves to blame. Because we have lots of options. 

25 minutes ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

Not everyone wants to bring a sniper rifle to every damm mission to deal with a random threat that requires it and isnt a part of normal gameplay.

If I brought my good sniper rifle I might have done a lot more damage. But I don't really enjoy using it in this game due to the charge speed. The kitgun works well enough for me. 

What other excuses are you going to try using next? 

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The bit about me not using the same weapon left me scratching my head, asserting that I would not always have it equipped.

1. I'm MR 27

2. I use Adaro and ESO not Hydron. Hydron is slow.

3. Rubico Prime is my favourite gun. There's no reason people can't mod their favourite weapon to do radiation, it'll still nearly 1 shot every enemy type in the game regardless of damage type.

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9 minutes ago, Zilchy said:

Solo or in a group?

Group, then everyone but my friend I was playing with quit. Spent 40 minutes trying to kill him. 

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Just now, CorrosiveFox said:

Group, then everyone but my friend I was playing with quit. Spent 40 minutes trying to kill him. 

Then they should be trying to help you kill it. Unfortunately that is the risk of pub. If it'd been just you and your friend in the game, assuming you had at least 1 decent gun equipped you'd probably rip him apart.

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yeah im done. "i use X gun which makes Y easy" is not a valid argument here. not everyone wants to run Meta weapons 24/7 and actually play to have fun.. 

sometimes i want to use my Akvastos just for the looks over my Tombfinger or my Catchmoon (both with rivens btw)

i came into this topic to defend people who do struggle with the wolf, and i have seen first hand how absolutely disruptive it is when you are not equipped to deal with it. instead i see people up their backsides with their own frontsides doing their best to put down everyone who struggles.

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1 minute ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

not everyone wants to run Meta weapons 24/7 and actually play to have fun

Well then you're wrong. /s

That's all you're going to get in these threads sadly, people telling you you're wrong for not bringing a Wolf killer to every mission despite Warframe being built on players having choices of equipment. No invading boss should be like this, but people who can kill him in seconds don't care about that, because they can trivialize him who cares if it ruins the good times of others.

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49 minutes ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

yeah im done. "i use X gun which makes Y easy" is not a valid argument here. not everyone wants to run Meta weapons 24/7 and actually play to have fun.. 

sometimes i want to use my Akvastos just for the looks over my Tombfinger or my Catchmoon (both with rivens btw)

i came into this topic to defend people who do struggle with the wolf, and i have seen first hand how absolutely disruptive it is when you are not equipped to deal with it. instead i see people up their backsides with their own frontsides doing their best to put down everyone who struggles.

You figure that the best way to "defend" players who struggle, is to show how your choice to go unprepared, is what leaves you unprepared? 

Yeah, I figure you really didn't think that through. 

And again, drop the "I don't always run with the meta", because you don't need to use the meta to do significant damage. There are so many options for radiation damage, and high crits. But we're seeing time after time that people do not realise why the gear they are using isn't dealing as much damage as they are cocksure that it's doing. 

One tried to flex with 17k radiation damage (after crits) on the high status multi element, high slash weapon where a large percentage of the potential damage was being wasted. A decent arca plasmor would outclass that damage before the crits were applied. 

One is talking about his ignis wraith (again base stats suggest that the status chance is going to be much higher than the crits) not doing much damage. 

At some point we're going to have to ask if the game hasn't been built around the idea that different enemies are weak against specific damage types, and the idea of "use the right tool for the job". Because it seems like there's a huge number of people who don't get how that bit works. 

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1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

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At some point we're going to have to ask if the game hasn't been built around the idea that different enemies are weak against specific damage types, and the idea of "use the right tool for the job". Because it seems like there's a huge number of people who don't get how that bit works.  

Well, no surprise at least for that.

It hasn't exactly been necessary for quite a while because from a certain progression point on, everything you usually encounter just drops dead in an instant, no matter what you bring. Not that that's an excuse, just an explanation.

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28 minutes ago, Kontrollo said:

Well, no surprise at least for that.

It hasn't exactly been necessary for quite a while because from a certain progression point on, everything you usually encounter just drops dead in an instant, no matter what you bring. Not that that's an excuse, just an explanation.

And that's the main reason I don't see why people can't just change a weapon to radiation while Wolf is sniffing around. It's going to wipe out your target regardless of damage type up till you're fighting level 150+ enemies which the majority of players won't go near anyway.

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1 minute ago, Zilchy said:

And that's the main reason I don't see why people can't just change a weapon to radiation while Wolf is sniffing around. It's going to wipe out your target regardless of damage type up till you're fighting level 150+ enemies which the majority of players won't go near anyway.

Even if that were not the case and you bring a loadout mostly tailored to the faction you're currently facing: We have 3 + 1 (+ 1) slots to bring something useful. Basic loadout, later Archguns, sometimes the Warframe itself. Just reserve one slot for Radiation.

I also haven't even tried to see what can be done with Operators, yet. And maybe I should try giving a Specter a pure Radiation gun. 🤔

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5 minutes ago, Kontrollo said:

Even if that were not the case and you bring a loadout mostly tailored to the faction you're currently facing: We have 3 + 1 (+ 1) slots to bring something useful. Basic loadout, later Archguns, sometimes the Warframe itself. Just reserve one slot for Radiation.

I also haven't even tried to see what can be done with Operators, yet. And maybe I should try giving a Specter a pure Radiation gun. 🤔

If you kill him with a spectre please video cos I wanna watch that 😄

My amp didn't go great against him but maybe with void strike?

So far I've killed him with Rubico, Pyrana (slash go figure) my Guandao, Magus lockdown and a catchmoon. I tried covert lethality dagger using naromon to open him to finishers but sadly it didn't work 😞

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