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@Lutesque I'm not gonna go and quote each section so I'll just do it this way.

Firstly Nox is one of the strongest enemies in the game and he shouldn't just be a 1 shot kill.  Up to about level 250 he still is for me but that's because I have a very strong build. With my normal weapons he takes a few shots and that's not bad design, that's good design that I can't simply 1 shot every enemy.

Name one gun that shot for shot does more damage than a sniper rifle with the combo in play and let's be clear, in missions you ARE building the combo. So you need to beat crits of around 100k+. The only thing that might equal that is the opticor and exergis which are both single shot and slower fire rate than snipers. Snipers are top tier.

Wolf dies in seconds, the main component variable is stripping the armour which can be likened to shooting a thumper through its 5000 armour value. You either punch through or you remove that outer value and kill it in seconds. Same as wolf. You've seen the videos you don't need to tell me to prove it or that it "doesn't work".

It doesn't run out of ammo because there are many ways to regen ammo in this game. You ignoring those methods doesn't make something bad, it makes you bad. 

For relics do you do radshares? I mean sure you might get unlucky for a bit but generally speaking if you farm say 10 of the relic and radiant them all and then radshare you will most likely get the part you wanted and simply assuming you won't isn't going to help you. I've had plenty of bad rng grinds in this game, flashbacks to 76 runs for equinox vanilla... you just keep at it.

You have 1000 hours in the game. If you can't afford slots or can't get them you're doing something wrong. Don't forget this game is free2play and you earn ingame currency for certain things, that's how it works and has always worked whether you like it or not.

The orokin cells grind made me laugh. There never used to be resource caches in the game, we killed sargus ruk for cells. Again I really don't think you're playing a game you enjoy, warframe is a grinding simulator, if you don't like grind you won't enjoy it for much longer because that's pretty much the entire game.

Lastly, please post your sniper build i can't help but feel you're building it wrong if you're thinking it's weak. Just post a screenshot and I'll help. I prefer rubico p over lanka because it's hitscan, has a faster fire rate and the combo requires less shots to increase therefore it starts doing more damage sooner. Very handy in pretty much all content.

And don't level weapons in Hydron, it's incredibly slow doing it that way, just making things harder for yourself mate.

 

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1 minute ago, BROMOU said:

I am upgrading my weapon. There are 3 teammates in the team. The wolf is coming. Other teammates knew they couldn't win, quit the team, and our mission failed.

 It's incredibly unfortunate, yes. He is often either too powerful or too annoying for typical teams of players. A lot of people do not want to fight him unless they have to. He is very time consuming and often drops crap.

 It sucks but in the end it is fine. You aren't missing much.

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1 minute ago, Blatantfool said:

It's incredibly unfortunate, yes. He is often either too powerful or too annoying for typical teams of players. A lot of people do not want to fight him unless they have to. He is very time consuming and often drops crap.

 It sucks but in the end it is fine. You aren't missing much.

thank you

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Yeh screw game variety. I should be able to sneeze on any opponent in the game, I've been playing for a whole month now! I should be elite and capable of sneering at every assassin and boss!

/s

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1 minute ago, KnossosTNC said:

K.

Here's another: Corinth. Radiation. Simple.

Here's a third: Pyrana Prime. Radiation. Use any Primary you like. Simple.

Here's a fourth: Ivara. Stay cloaked and pin is face with a radiation bow or Spira Prime. Simple.

That's four different ways of dealing with Wolfy in solo which I tried and worked, which is what the OP asked. I know for certain there are many, many more.

Video games are about solving problems, news at 11. Wolfy has many solutions.

 You're missing the actual issue, but I think I could have presented my argument better. Wolf isn't some insurmountable threat. He's just annoying. He's a sandbag fight. A DPS check.

 By itself that isn't really an issue. If he was a boss at the end of a level you'd be fine. It's easy to prepare. But he isn't. He's an assassin encounter. So he just shows up eventually. Meaning you have to limit either your build or playstyle with the knowledge that if you don't you'll either have to beat on him so long the reward could never match the effort OR you'll just be stuck vomitting health, ammo and energy pizzas for whoever brought a frag-cannon with them.

 There are a large variety of people playing Warframe. It isn't an insignificant number of people who play in a way that Wolf can make more interesting, sure. But for anyone outside of that relationship with the game he just steps on toes. Leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

 Wolf isn't too hard, he just isn't fun. I think some players mistakenly imply he's too hard because they think the difficulty of the fight is WHY he's unfun. I think it's probably more complicated than just that. They've nerfed him plenty and he's still unlikable for many players. He's even encouraging bailing on missions at this point.

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10 minutes ago, KnossosTNC said:

K.

Here's another: Corinth. Radiation. Simple.

Here's a third: Pyrana Prime. Radiation. Use any Primary you like. Simple.

Here's a fourth: Ivara. Stay cloaked and pin his face with a radiation bow or Spira Prime. Simple.

That's four different ways of dealing with Wolfy in solo which I tried and worked, which is what the OP asked. I know for certain there are many, many more.

Video games are about solving problems, news at 11. Wolfy has many solutions, and DE already nerfed him at least twice.

OP is asking for wolf nerf.

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11 minutes ago, BROMOU said:

thank you

下次遇見他和你不想放棄任務時,如果找到一個大山崖或者一個深洞,站在邊緣。之後,引‘土星六號之狼’發出他的龍捲風攻擊,讓他掉下山崖或跌入深洞。這樣可以剷除他三個士兵刀槍不入的力量。

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10 hours ago, DoomFruit said:

Oh, I do remember when shadow stalker came out. He's the reason why I put my beloved Tysis away (which is still my most used secondary) in favour of a Lex Prime. And yes, I am looking at stalker's current design. It's not as if DE don't have access to their current design documents with which to base enemies off.

They might die to a light sneeze from your carefully min-maxed endgame gear, but the majority of players won't be sporting that. If something has a chance to randomly attack every single player in the game, then every single player should be able to beat them. Especially seeing as how you can choose whether the other assassins come for you (just let their deathmarks expire), but the wolf affects every single player in the game regardless of what they do.

Ok just gonna highlight this little bit becauae what you've just told me is that for Shadow Stalker you SHELVED your favourite loadout so you could beat him IF he showed up. But you won't change even your damage type incase Wolf shows up.... ok 

You see how silly that looks right? It's an oxymoron.

Also this point of deathmarks cmon mate really... I've been marked for death for years now, we both know that ain't ever going away.  By your logic at thw very minimum players by the time they do second dream will have been marked about 12 time for getting the parts for the early frames off bosses ie Rhino, Valkyr etc. Stalker's going to show up, don't pretend that the deathmarks will fix all that.

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14 minutes ago, BROMOU said:

thank you

I am sorry I do not have more positive things to say. If you get lucky and have a team who are willing and prepared to fight him you might as well. He can drop parts for his hammer weapon. But even if you can't get it I wouldn't worry. It'll come back in some way eventually and hopefully in a way that is more fun to play so that more people will want to do it.

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1 minute ago, Renegade343 said:

下次遇見他和你不想放棄任務時,如果找到一個大山崖或者一個深洞,站在邊緣。之後,引‘土星六號之狼’發出他的龍捲風攻擊,讓他掉下山崖或跌入深洞。這樣可以剷除他三個士兵刀槍不入的力量。

受教了,下次我會盡量找到一個好的位置來卡住他,不過作為隨機入侵的角色,我覺得他應該需要被削弱,我個人的段位和裝備還是可以的,但是對於剛進遊戲的新手來說,獨自遇到狼,他這一局的遊戲就可能會被破壞掉,徒勞而歸,這是非常讓人沮喪的,這也是我主題想要表達的,狼需要被削弱或者“簡化”。

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Just now, BROMOU said:

受教了,下次我會盡量找到一個好的位置來卡住他,不過作為隨機入侵的角色,我覺得他應該需要被削弱,我個人的段位和裝備還是可以的,但是對於剛進遊戲的新手來說,獨自遇到狼,他這一局的遊戲就可能會被破壞掉,徒勞而歸,這是非常讓人沮喪的,這也是我主題想要表達的,狼需要被削弱或者“簡化”。

我個人以為他的傷害減低力量可以減掉,之後把他的速度提升一些,這樣應該對大多玩家來說公平和可應付。

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1 minute ago, Blatantfool said:

I am sorry I do not have more positive things to say. If you get lucky and have a team who are willing and prepared to fight him you might as well. He can drop parts for his hammer weapon. But even if you can't get it I wouldn't worry. It'll come back in some way eventually and hopefully in a way that is more fun to play so that more people will want to do it.

Thank you, I am not worried about the weapons provided by the wolves now. I think it needs to be weakened or simplified so that more players can benefit.

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Just now, Renegade343 said:

我個人以為他的傷害減低力量可以減掉,之後把他的速度提升一些,這樣應該對大多玩家來說公平和可應付。

我是覺得可以用指揮官來打暈他,眩暈狀態下,玩家造成的傷害可以提高些,這樣也比較符合S系角色需要用指揮官來攻擊的設定,畢竟狼也是個半S系角色

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2 minutes ago, BROMOU said:

Thank you, I am not worried about the weapons provided by the wolves now. I think it needs to be weakened or simplified so that more players can benefit.

  It is okay to simply wait on things until the developers work it out. They will eventually get the formula right. In Warframe patience is the ultimate virtue.

 With patience you'll find that the things in Warframe that are the least fun will either be fixed, altered entirely OR simply overcome as you revisit it in the future with far more options than you have now.

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I'm still waiting for DE to make wolf invulnerable and you have to reflect back the molotov cocktail thrown by fugitives to damage him.

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lol really? just git gud, any player with a decent crit weapon with radiation can take him down pretty fast...

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1 minute ago, -AiLuoLi- said:

I'm still waiting for DE to make wolf invulnerable and you have to reflect back the molotov cocktail thrown by fugitives to damage him.

Ok look Satan, we need to have a talk about some things.

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1 minute ago, -AiLuoLi- said:

I'm still waiting for DE to make wolf invulnerable and you have to reflect back the molotov cocktail thrown by fugitives to damage him.

 Having to play an intense round of dodgeball might actually end up being more interesting than the way the current fight pans out, ironically.

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3 minutes ago, BROMOU said:

我是覺得可以用指揮官來打暈他,眩暈狀態下,玩家造成的傷害可以提高些,這樣也比較符合S系角色需要用指揮官來攻擊的設定,畢竟狼也是個半S系角色

這個意見都好的。

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2 minutes ago, MagPrime said:

Ok look Satan, we need to have a talk about some things.

Warframe Tennis. Except if it lands on your court, you're on fire.

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30 minutes ago, Blatantfool said:

 You're missing the actual issue, but I think I could have presented my argument better. Wolf isn't some insurmountable threat. He's just annoying. He's a sandbag fight. A DPS check.

 By itself that isn't really an issue. If he was a boss at the end of a level you'd be fine. It's easy to prepare. But he isn't. He's an assassin encounter. So he just shows up eventually. Meaning you have to limit either your build or playstyle with the knowledge that if you don't you'll either have to beat on him so long the reward could never match the effort OR you'll just be stuck vomitting health, ammo and energy pizzas for whoever brought a frag-cannon with them.

 There are a large variety of people playing Warframe. It isn't an insignificant number of people who play in a way that Wolf can make more interesting, sure. But for anyone outside of that relationship with the game he just steps on toes. Leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

 Wolf isn't too hard, he just isn't fun. I think some players mistakenly imply he's too hard because they think the difficulty of the fight is WHY he's unfun. I think it's probably more complicated than just that. They've nerfed him plenty and he's still unlikable for many players. He's even encouraging bailing on missions at this point.

Sure, Wolfy probably isn't the most well implemented new assassin boss. I'm not here to dispute that - that's for people who care more about it than I do. Again, the OP claimed you can't beat him one-on-one, I presented four different solutions to do so.

Bullet sponges aren't great, I get it, but doing the minimum of just bringing one weapon just in case isn't much of a disruption to play style. It's called being prepared to solve problems. Video games have long been about that, and Wolfy isn't making that any different. I beat him at Hieracon with a Limbo using two of the options I presented.

27 minutes ago, Test-995 said:

OP is asking for wolf nerf.

He's been nerfed at least twice. Nerfing him again would probably put him in the same category as Edgy Arseface and Zanuka; they show up, I one-shot them with my Corinth.

Maybe DE should rework him and other assassin bosses instead. Either way, meh, it's no real issue for me.

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2 minutes ago, Blatantfool said:

 Having to play an intense round of dodgeball might actually end up being more interesting than the way the current fight pans out, ironically.

If you don't play on a craptop and spend most of the time lagging, yeah, sounds fabulous. 

1 minute ago, Renegade343 said:

Warframe Tennis. Except if it lands on your court, you're on fire.

How like life.  

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Just now, MagPrime said:

How like life.  

Hey, never said Warframe doesn't mimic life in some way.

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4 minutes ago, Zilchy said:

Game2hardplznerf

This. Also, create for them their own forum section like Chinese or something.

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4 minutes ago, Kerthis said:

Also, create for them their own forum section like Chinese or something.

Well, I'm not sure whether creating a Chinese forum here would cause issues, given the whole China Warframe thing. Would be nice to have if no issues are to be had.

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