VoidGhost Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Hi,I would like to ask the Warframe community why is there a need for an operator when the mutated person which we call the warframe is alive.Why cant we take the role of the mutated person also called warframe and explore related lore?,lore about his past or even lore related to becoming human again or even control the mutation and call it with his/her will.A great example is in the following link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZx_Dll6G18 where the Guyver(the Guver is a symbiotic techno-organic device that that can transform it's host to a being with super abilities like a warframe)tranformation is shown Thanks for reading and for giving me the oportunity to contribute to the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteMarker Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 So did you just not play all the quests to know that normal Warframes are just monsters without mind? Basically animals driven by instincts. It's actually in the game why we can't really just play the Warframe. Why we need the Operators. 28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genitive Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Because with the exception of Umbra warframes are incapable of autonomous movement. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidGhost Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 Thanks for your reply WhiteMarker.What if the monsters became aware of their state and chose to control the mutation.Monsters do have a mind too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Phantom Clip Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, VoidGhost said: Hi,I would like to ask the Warframe community why is there a need for an operator when the mutated person which we call the warframe is alive.Why cant we take the role of the mutated person also called warframe and explore related lore?,lore about his past or even lore related to becoming human again or even control the mutation and call it with his/her will.A great example is in the following link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZx_Dll6G18 where the Guyver(the Guver is a symbiotic techno-organic device that that can transform it's host to a being with super abilities like a warframe)tranformation is shown Thanks for reading and for giving me the oportunity to contribute to the game Because it's part of the concept of the game. In Warframe, you have an operator to operate your warframe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotyke Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, VoidGhost said: Thanks for your reply WhiteMarker.What if the monsters became aware of their state and chose to control the mutation.Monsters do have a mind too. Now we enter "what if" territory. My cat has a mind too. But it will, sadly, never be sapient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavelord Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Umbra is a particular case, all other are devoid of their memories and a conscious mind, their bodies only use as genetic material for the infestation for which there is no cure and DE has mentioned how the tenno were purposely brought to give a humanizing weakness to the overbearingly powerful warframe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidGhost Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 Thanks for your reply (XB1)PhantomClip.What if we the Warframe community could change that concept,would you like that or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0_The_F00l Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, VoidGhost said: Thanks for your reply WhiteMarker.What if the monsters became aware of their state and chose to control the mutation.Monsters do have a mind too. Such a thing is yet to happen (kinda borderline with Umbra) maybe in the future , you never know. Perhaps a FPS mode where you dont use mods just pure instinct and unmodded weapons as all your powers are coming from the void.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzarugi Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, VoidGhost said: Thanks for your reply WhiteMarker.What if the monsters became aware of their state and chose to control the mutation.Monsters do have a mind too. That's not going to happen with any frame that isn't an umbra, and for all we know given the story behind it, there will probably only be one. Normal warframes are designed to be inert infested cyborgs that require direct input from Operators in order to function. This was explained during The Sacrifice quest, both why the frames possess no sentience of their own, and why the umbra is the only exception. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Skippy575 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, VoidGhost said: Thanks for your reply WhiteMarker.What if the monsters became aware of their state and chose to control the mutation.Monsters do have a mind too. The closest we get to that is Ballas narrating during The Sacrifice quest: Quote "We took our greatest, volunteers or not, and polluted them with these cultured reagents. They transformed. They became Infested..." "...But only just. Their skin blossomed into sword-steel. Their organs, interlinked with untold resilience. Yet their minds were free of the Infested madness. Or so we thought. We set them upon the battlefield, bio-drones under our command." "The Warframes... all of them... failures. Surprised? They turned on us, just as you did. And so we had no choice but to commit them... to grave. This is all you know, Hunhow, but there is a hidden half. A secret, that lies within a place forbidden to you and your kind. I speak of the Void." Link to the Ballas quotes page on the wiki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cephalon_Saryndipity Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kaotyke said: Now we enter "what if" territory. My cat has a mind too. But it will, sadly, never be sapient. Um, your cat IS sapient. You just don't understand their language. Most animals are sapient. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidGhost Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 I apreciate your replies😀.0_The_F00l the game mode you mention sounds very interesting,I support that the Warframe or to say better the human that turned to a warframe could choose the mods himself/herself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, Genitive said: Because with the exception of Umbra warframes are incapable of autonomous movement. And if they were capable they would likely be absolutely bat-clem- crazy murderbots without an operator to reign them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, VoidGhost said: Thanks for your reply (XB1)PhantomClip.What if we the Warframe community could change that concept,would you like that or not? Not really. The current lore is the process used to create Warframes utterly and completely destroys the mind of the person, reducing them to simply a mindless shell Umbra is an exception because that was designed into his creation as a punishment for betrayal, so we aren't likely to get a redemption arc for non-Umbra frames. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabbynaru Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) Why not? Even without all the complicated lore reasons the others have mentioned, 2 heads are still better than one, especially when they're on the same wavelength. Edited October 9, 2019 by Gabbynaru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotyke Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 minute ago, (NSW)Badger said: Um, your cat IS sapient. You just don't understand their language. Most animals are sapient. You are confusing Sapience with Sentience. Sapience is the ability to make decisions using logic, knowledge and experience. Sentience is the ability to feel emotions, experience them. If you sad my cat was capable to using logic, I would have doubts in my previous statement. But "most animals"? You lost the argument there. Dogs are not sapient. Dont put those ugly mutts on the same level of cats. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Ozymandias-13- Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Fungus is alive, but mushrooms don't have a habit of walking around without help (outside of super mario). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavelord Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) warframes are like Shinji´s mom, they only exist as a deep underlying subconscious that could surface as primal emotion and function when the inner child is in danger. On another note when I paid for warframe I paid for DE concepts and ideas, not the communal strangers of the net, DE holds the responsability and will be judge for what they deliver themselves. Edited October 9, 2019 by Pavelord typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotyke Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, (PS4)Ozymandias-13- said: Fungus is alive, but mushrooms don't have a habit of walking around without help (outside of super mario). Actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cephalon_Saryndipity Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Kaotyke said: You are confusing Sapience with Sentience. Sapience is the ability to make decisions using logic, knowledge and experience. Sentience is the ability to feel emotions, experience them. If you sad my cat was capable to using logic, I would have doubts in my previous statement. But "most animals"? You lost the argument there. Dogs are not sapient. Dont put those ugly mutts on the same level of cats. So you've never seen your cat solve a problem? Or figure out how to do something in a new way? Connect with you in a different way? Come on, buddy. Logic is just not in the domain of the greater Apes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidGhost Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 Thanks for your reply Pavelord.I believe that experiencing lore about how the tortured people we call warframe became warframes would be cery interesting especially when the way to control the tecnocyte transformation would be a choice for the players to make,do you find the ability to control the mutation interesting ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GearsMatrix301 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Looks like someone doesn’t understand the lore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crasharr Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) Because using a skinny teenager as operator makes the game more appealing to... skinny teens!? Something like that #marketingcrap p.s. Before anyone starts and gets offended by "skinny" teens, they now have Hyldryn #fattiescount Edited October 9, 2019 by Crasharr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteMarker Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Crasharr said: Before anyone starts and gets offended by "skinny" teens, they now have Hyldryn #fattiescount Now we are calling muscular people fat? The more you know... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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