(XBOX)sinamanthediva Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 And this is what Warframe is all about.... A Warframe to suit everyone's play-style. Ivara is not the fastest at spy missions in large part due to the restrictions of Prowl. But it's EASIEST with Ivara and that is what I like about her. I don't want to have to dodge laser scanning robots or cameras, I like casually strolling in past every possible spy detection device with ease and confidence to get the job done. It wasn't until recently that I even bothered with the Artemis Bow and was dumbfounded at how crazy strong it can be. It all boils down to personal choice; If Ivara's slower play-style doesn't suit you, then play what you like, but to say Ivara is irrelevant is foolish and clearly you have not used her gifts to their full potential. Fun tip: Try using Navigator with the Zenistar!* *It was more fun with the previous guaranteed 45 second timer for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcsyrine Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 There are different Warframes that do similar things because people have different playstyles. Those that want fast invisibility go for Ash or Loki and say Ivara sucks. And for them, yes she does. But that doesn't mean she's a bad frame, just one that doesn't click with them. Those that enjoy Ivara's playstyle will complain about Loki not being able to do much else other than invisibility and switching places with a target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielw8 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 im very surprised you guys still worry about being invis in spy mission when we have parazon mod for invis+movement speed. The most easy warframe for this its clearly wukong. Ivara its just old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)sinamanthediva Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Danielw8 said: im very surprised you guys still worry about being invis in spy mission when we have parazon mod for invis+movement speed. The most easy warframe for this its clearly wukong. Ivara its just old It's not a question of being worried, its about what is easiest for ME. I would take a wild guess that you are the player that gives your Wukong clone a Bramma to bask in the glory of kills at the end of the mission. Ivara is NOT old, just a different approach. Every mission does not have to be a speed run challenge but that is why I use Ivara, I can take my time to open lockers, find statues, fish or mine without interuption, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunderthefirmament Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Safety matters more than speed in spy missions. Spy missions, in general, aren't a type of mission most people farm on repeat outside of acquiring Harrow or base Ivara. And Harrow is now available through Kuva Survival, so really, why are you repeating spy missions? If you're trying to speedrun a spy mission, take Wukong or Loki. But on a sortie, where failure means restarting and you can't press Y to cipher, I go solo and play as Ivara. She's not as slow as people claim. The dashwire is finnicky, sure, but if you get used to it you can propel yourself across large rooms very rapidly. And you don't need to be prowling the whole game. Slip in and out as needed. Void Dash. Roll. It's not like you have to press 3 the second you load in and then stay hidden the whole mission. But there are benefits to taking your time. Playing her in a slow style is one of the best ways to force an acolyte spawn on incursions. That's how I maxed my arcanes back when they launched. Chill with Ivara (solo) and force the mission to spawn an acolyte instead of rushing through and playing the "will they, won't they" game at extraction. You're never in any danger, because you're Ivara. Violence has Silence, but that's what positioning is for. She's also fantastic for those BS open world activities where enemies constantly interrupt you. Conservation, mining, fishing, she handles them all very well. Her stealth, with its fire and forget nature, makes her ideal for those mind-numbing activities. Keep Loki and Wukong around, though. Wukong is a fantastic all-arounder, and one of the kings of mobility. Loki has switch teleport, which you'll need for moving around glitched escort NPC's in various bounties. Different tools for different jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutesque Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 hours ago, (PSN)TwellveMillion said: I don't like having a timer on my invisibility. But... Doesn't you energy Pool Count as a Timer 🤔 ? 1 hour ago, (XBOX)sinamanthediva said: Fun tip: Try using Navigator with the Zenistar!* *It was more fun with the previous guaranteed 45 second timer for sure! Mine is still 40 Seconds thanks to Corrupt Charge and this: You get 10 Seconds for Every 20 Combo you have.... And since I have 67 ..... I get 30 extra seconds on my Zenistar for a Total of 40 Seconds.... Unfortunately because they Nerfed Blast Procs... This is no longer as Good as it used to be.... On top of that The Heavy Attack Benefits Do NOT carry over to the Disk itself.... As far as I can tell it neither Registers as a regular attack nor a Heavy Attack.... In other words... It's bugged. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutesque Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, sunderthefirmament said: Safety matters more than speed in spy missions. Spy missions, in general, aren't a type of mission most people farm on repeat outside of acquiring Harrow or base Ivara. You can Exclude Harrow since he drops on Taveuni now 😱.... 4 minutes ago, sunderthefirmament said: She's not as slow as people claim. The dashwire is finnicky, sure, but if you get used to it you can propel yourself across large rooms very rapidly. And you don't need to be prowling the whole game. Slip in and out as needed. Void Dash. Roll. It's not like you have to press 3 the second you load in and then stay hidden the whole mission. Sadly.... This is exactly how half of The Ivara's Ive seen (or haven't seen) handle most missions... They drop energy Restores when they load in and Prowl forever.... 6 minutes ago, sunderthefirmament said: You're never in any danger, because you're Ivara. Violence has Silence, but that's what positioning is for. All the Acolytes see through Prowl Though 🤔.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)sinamanthediva Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lutesque said: But... Doesn't you energy Pool Count as a Timer 🤔 ? Yes to some degree but the timer is moving SLooooooW with Fleeting Expertise and Streamline its hardly a concern. (Ancient Disruptors or Eximus Leeches lurking in the shadows is an issue yes) 8 minutes ago, Lutesque said: Unfortunately because they Nerfed Blast Procs... This is no longer as Good as it used to be.... It was a comical delight to watch the enemies get up and get knocked down in quick secession and is sadly missed. I enjoyed blast effects on my sentinel weapons as well, but alas those days are gone...sigh! 6 minutes ago, Lutesque said: All the Acolytes see through Prowl Though 🤔.... I am pretty sure they don't see us, but more of an educated guess and depending on the Acolyte, Warframe powers can be nullified temporarily doesn't help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutesque Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, (XBOX)sinamanthediva said: Yes to some degree but the timer is moving SLooooooW with Fleeting Expertise and Streamline its hardly a concern. (Ancient Disruptors or Eximus Leeches lurking in the shadows is an issue yes) I just always assume they are there and Act Accordingly.... 5 minutes ago, (XBOX)sinamanthediva said: I am pretty sure they don't see us, but more of an educated guess and depending on the Acolyte, Warframe powers can be nullified temporarily doesn't help either. And I'm pretty sure they do.... The Specific Config i use for Steel Path is the only one that still has Prowl on it and I use it primarily for the Stealth Damage boost but other than that... The Acolyte know exactly where I am and has Attacked me repeatedly while Prowling.... Same with Octavia... Luckily the Mallet can still destroy Acolytes if you have it out before they Ragdoll you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)sinamanthediva Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 33 minutes ago, Lutesque said: I just always assume they are there and Act Accordingly.... And I'm pretty sure they do.... The Specific Config i use for Steel Path is the only one that still has Prowl on it and I use it primarily for the Stealth Damage boost but other than that... The Acolyte know exactly where I am and has Attacked me repeatedly while Prowling.... Same with Octavia... Luckily the Mallet can still destroy Acolytes if you have it out before they Ragdoll you... Nowhere on the wiki does it mention that Acolytes can see invisi-frames so I think you are just unlucky and the acolytes educated guess was right more often than not in your experiences with them. I've been standing right next to an acolyte, with prowl active, almost looking me in the eye, only to turn away and destroy some poor Corpus enemy instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakkhar Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 23 hours ago, LockingSoul said: She has infinite invisibility, but moves a lot slower, cant shoot or use any fast movement abilties such as bullet jumping. Tell me, how is that supossed to be a good thing? You get more success from getting loki who is faster to farm and the second fastest running frame and build him for a bunch of duration. Even though his invicibility runs out, his speed and the cheer duration of it lets you do anything you needed way better than an ivara moving like someone just broke her ankles. I just dont see how she is suppossed to all that good. For faster movement utilise rolls and/or high mobility melee weapon combos. She totally can shoot. Just put Silence on your weapons: https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Noise_Level Loki cant pass through lasers/lasergates (without using 1 and 3). Ivara can with Inflitrate. Cant hack greener triple hack Vault without hacking those first (or alarms). Running isnt always the fastest way to get to places (actually almost never is). Ivara is great for open world fishing, mining (Dashwire arrow offers you to mine from above the water level or get to high places for mining) and animal conservation (Sleep Arrow, aoe sleep, whats not to like). She is also invisble mich makes those pesky mobs to not interrupt your stuff. For spies speed running Wukong is the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Rez090 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 21 hours ago, Lutesque said: Ofcourse.... Everybody knows Octavia is the Stealth Master.... She isn't, if you can't keep a beat going. And not everyone can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)GEN-Son_17 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 2021-11-30 at 9:16 PM, LockingSoul said: Look, setting aside stuff like the fact that Gauss-ing your way through a spy mission is way better than stealthing it, ivara just has a really poor stealth, to the point i dont even know why people praise her so much. She has infinite invisibility, but moves a lot slower, cant shoot or use any fast movement abilties such as bullet jumping. Tell me, how is that supossed to be a good thing? You get more success from getting loki who is faster to farm and the second fastest running frame and build him for a bunch of duration. Even though his invicibility runs out, his speed and the cheer duration of it lets you do anything you needed way better than an ivara moving like someone just broke her ankles. I just dont see how she is suppossed to all that good. I think she perfect. Rushframe is not a serious thing to consider so her kit capitalizes on the pickpocketing (extra resources), laser passthrough (trivial vault unlocks), stealth bonus values (ultra fast levelling) and safe exits. As usual, the player is the weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutesque Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 hours ago, (XBOX)sinamanthediva said: Nowhere on the wiki does it mention that Acolytes can see invisi-frames so I think you are just unlucky and the acolytes educated guess was right more often than not in your experiences with them. I've been standing right next to an acolyte, with prowl active, almost looking me in the eye, only to turn away and destroy some poor Corpus enemy instead. It's not luck.... I always Prowl when the Acolyte Spawns and they Always Sprint Straight Torwards me and try to Ragdoll me.... Malice can even Magnetize me while I'm Prowling.... These things would be alot more frustrating if I couldn't Two Shot them with my Glaive Prime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Reaper330011 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 6 hours ago, (PSN)TwellveMillion said: I find it very fun to play with. My personal setup: The Skathi skin looks so awesome. I always have skill 1 and 3 augment. Replaced 2 with golden instinct. Primary or secondary silent weapon. Dragon nikana for added coolness. Of course it won't be a competition if you want it to play faster than Gauss. Also not a trickster or assassin like Loki and Ash. But for me, Ivara allow these types of gameplay: I like to play it slow and enjoy the mission. Scan stuffs, seeing details. I don't like having a timer on my invisibility. The ability to make team mates go invisible. While rushing through or reviving other fallen team mate. Potentially help with damage buff by skill 1 augment. Ability to create a wire to avoid falling down from unsuccessful long jumps. Put enemies to sleep when things are too much to handle. Golden instinct. Fair enough. Ye that skin looks awesome… btw is your pfp a new warframe? Haven’t seen that one before. 1 hour ago, (XBOX)Rez090 said: She isn't, if you can't keep a beat going. And not everyone can do that. It’s easy…. also LIMBO, and maybe + octavia is stealth master. Ignore alarms, invisibility, invulnerability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)sinamanthediva Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 45 minutes ago, Lutesque said: It's not luck.... I always Prowl when the Acolyte Spawns and they Always Sprint Straight Torwards me and try to Ragdoll me.... Malice can even Magnetize me while I'm Prowling.... These things would be alot more frustrating if I couldn't Two Shot them with my Glaive Prime... That's your experiences not mine. I guess your Acolytes are special and I got the rejects that can't see invisi-frames. Magnetize has a large area of effect so that doesn't say much either. Keep using your Glaive Prime then, as it seems to be useful for those pesky Acolytes that can see you. Have a pleasant tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)sinamanthediva Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 44 minutes ago, (PSN)Reaper330011 said: It’s easy….also LIMBO, and maybe + octavia is stealth master. Ignore alarms, invisibility, invulnerability. Curious as to how Limbo is able to not be seen by those pesky flying robots with lazers, besides the obvious avoidance. How is being able to walk past the robots without worry easier than have to duck and cover constantly? Is there a new Limbo augment I missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Reaper330011 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, (XBOX)sinamanthediva said: Curious as to how Limbo is able to not be seen by those pesky flying robots with lazers, besides the obvious avoidance. How is being able to walk past the robots without worry easier than have to duck and cover constantly? Is there a new Limbo augment I missed? M8 did you read what I said? Limbo avoids everything in rift mode, THATS why I said “and maybe odtavia” for the invisibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)Greybones Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Hm. I’ve read a few responses, and I’m left wondering; what is… the purpose of this topic? Is it something about justifying the usage of the not-maximum-efficiency method for a particular mission, be it either Loki or Ivara? There’s justification for either, and it certainly often seems subjective, because build for invisibility for both of them and the mission objectively gets done easily. At the moment it seems the discussion is “Which one does a thing easily, but also easier than the other one”? I would’ve thought they both exceeded the bar of making things easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutesque Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 34 minutes ago, (XBOX)sinamanthediva said: That's your experiences not mine. I guess your Acolytes are special and I got the rejects that can't see invisi-frames. Magnetize has a large area of effect so that doesn't say much either. Keep using your Glaive Prime then, as it seems to be useful for those pesky Acolytes that can see you. Magnetize can only Cast be on to Targets... It's AoE is irrelevant if the Target happens to be you as it will just go where you go.... 32 minutes ago, (XBOX)sinamanthediva said: Curious as to how Limbo is able to not be seen by those pesky flying robots with lazers, besides the obvious avoidance. How is being able to walk past the robots without worry easier than have to duck and cover constantly? Is there a new Limbo augment I missed? Well those things can Still See limbo.... However thanks to Untraceable this Effectively gives Limbo the Power Of Prowling without any of its Drawbacks.... I said it before and Il say it again... Limbo is a God amongst Mortals.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)TehChubbyDugan Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Ability strength improves her movement speed by a bit if you're running the augment that lets you walk through any detection barriers, including being able to stand in the beams that cover certain grineer vault consoles that other frames can't hack without either turning those beams off or perfect timing/cipher with decent timing. This augment makes failing a spy sortie pretty much impossible unless you fail the hack repeatedly. Sure, you can Rhino-School-of-Stealth a spy vault, but setting off alarms makes the other vaults have tighter security which screws your team, and setting off alarms in all three makes the mission take even longer because it turns into an exterminate. For long distances, you can use void dash with your operator and cover that ground faster than a Wukong, unless you're just not good with the operator movement. Aside from being able to stand in a pack of enemies and pick their pockets before you kill them without worrying if your non-recastable invis is going to run out, she gets a headshot multiplier while in prowl based on ability strength. She comes with a silent exalted weapon that scales well into SP and works perfectly with the rest of her kit. Loki comes with... the ability to disarm enemies that shouldn't be shooting him anyway. Can you just Limbo/Wukong/Loki/RHINO SMASH your way through a vault? Sure. You can also just run those vaults in a non-stealth frame and still set off no alarms (I farmed Ivara this way.) or just Operator your way through the whole mission. I've run tons of missions as Op only just for kicks. They're called options, and considering the rest of her kit, she's a perfectly viable and very strong option. I've run SP solo survivals with her for as long as I wanted without a single hitch because she pairs really well with so many weapons due to being invisible and having a headshot multiplier. She has a very versatile kit outside of just Prowl, but Prowl isn't bad just because it's slow. She'd be absolutely broken if there wasn't a movement penalty. Would I complain if they removed it? No. But I understand why it's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalomaniakaal Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 6 hours ago, Lutesque said: 8 hours ago, (PSN)TwellveMillion said: I don't like having a timer on my invisibility. But... Doesn't you energy Pool Count as a Timer 🤔 ? Arcane Energize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalomaniakaal Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Lutesque said: And I'm pretty sure they do.... The Specific Config i use for Steel Path is the only one that still has Prowl on it and I use it primarily for the Stealth Damage boost but other than that... The Acolyte know exactly where I am and has Attacked me repeatedly while Prowling.... You mean how they teleport you to them if you've gotten too far away and they find your location when you bump into them? Also I think the enemies will see you if you have been standing still for too long/game considers you AFK-ing. But also in the void and maybe some of the other higher tier missions/worlds all sustained warframe abilities become RNG ignorable by enemies. Void/corrupted enemies definitely just randomly ignore abilities. Be it getting stunned by volt shock and capacitance, vaubans CC or octavias abilities. I've seen all of these randomly ignored by corrupted enemies in the void. This is something specific to SP tho. 3 hours ago, Lutesque said: It's not luck.... I always Prowl when the Acolyte Spawns and they Always Sprint Straight Torwards me and try to Ragdoll me.... Malice can even Magnetize me while I'm Prowling.... Malice doesn't need to target you for the magnetize. It's an auto targeted ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalomaniakaal Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 4 hours ago, (XBOX)Rez090 said: On 2021-12-01 at 9:50 AM, Lutesque said: Ofcourse.... Everybody knows Octavia is the Stealth Master.... She isn't, if you can't keep a beat going. And not everyone can do that. Octavias stealth carries over to the archwing in open worlds and works in many cases where the others invis would fail. So in a sense she kinda is tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureScion Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 hours ago, (PSN)Reaper330011 said: btw is your pfp a new warframe? Haven’t seen that one before. Inaros' Ramses Skin. His deluxe. One of the better ones imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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