(XBOX)Lord ChibiVR Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Revenant Augument info So apparently Revenant is getting a new augument that will make mesmer skin be applied onto allies (you can do this right now but it's only 1 stack). This means that allies will basically become immune to dying for a few seconds, which will be very powerful in certain mission types, such as Arbitrations, Archon hunts, and Endurance runs, along with possibly breaking defense, mobile defense, and sortie defense missions. This will be very useful against toxin damage, which can bypass mesmer skin, but cannot kill the player unless mesmer skin runs out, meaning that you will be able to survive toxin damage indefinitely until other sources of damage deplete your mesmer skin. Also it gives Revenant more power strength to cast even more mesmer skin stacks... So uh... that was unexpected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReddyDisco Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Forum post: Revenant is old wukong tank, pls nerf DE: ok np will fix, he gets buffed next update the irony :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)elementXGHILLIE Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Frost Mains with Icy Avalanche are crying in the corner now. And I'm one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareT12 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 24 minutes ago, ReddyDisco said: Forum post: Revenant is old wukong tank, pls nerf DE: ok np will fix, he gets buffed next update the irony :D It's not as disruptive. Having said this Pablo stated that they're quite cautious with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzarugi Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 As a Revenant main, this worries me. The more DE pumps him up, the more likely they're going to nerf him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltage Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 I think it's kinda sad that Mesmer Skin is a team ability before stuff like Xata's Whisper. Team invincibility is pretty boring, especially if DE forgets that things like defense operatives and Specters are "allies". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_silveira Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, (XBOX)Upl0rdYT said: along with possibly breaking defense, mobile defense, and sortie defense missions. Oh, so the mesmer skin charges will work on defense objectives as well? I thought they meant nearby players and companions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MqToasty Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Pizzarugi said: As a Revenant main, this worries me. The more DE pumps him up, the more likely they're going to nerf him. This. I still remember what happened to ranged weapons -- they were buffed with arcanes and galvanized mods for a year, before getting slapped with the ammo nerf. Really makes me suspect a harder nerf for Revenant is coming down the line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quxier Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Voltage said: I think it's kinda sad that Mesmer Skin is a team ability before stuff like Xata's Whisper. Number of affected enemies that Xata helps has been reduced recently. Mostly exinus abilities don't care about void proc. In addition you are making headshot harder so for teammates it's similar case as Limbo (not that extreme). On other hand Mesmer skin just works on more enemies. I'm using it with Xaku on not ridiculous content (e.g. Archon hunt). It works fine solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Lord ChibiVR Posted January 28, 2023 Author Share Posted January 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, p_silveira said: Oh, so the mesmer skin charges will work on defense objectives as well? I thought they meant nearby players and companions. Right now you can cast Mesmer skin on defense objectives (but only 1 charge). I'm assuming the augment will apply Mesmer skin to any nearby ally in range including said objectives. Even if it doesn't it should still affect sortie defense npcs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_silveira Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, (XBOX)Upl0rdYT said: Right now you can cast Mesmer skin on defense objectives (but only 1 charge). I'm assuming the augment will apply Mesmer skin to any nearby ally in range including said objectives. Even if it doesn't it should still affect sortie defense npcs. Now that's cool. Probably broken as hell, but cool lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numerounius Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 I think it is already possible to chain harrow convents if you want long invuln uptime. Don't know how clunky the augment will be. If it will be shared stacks or targeted cast like spellbind. This will probably be what holds back the augments from top of the line good. There is also other methods of support beyond just granting invulnerability. There are already ways to do a lot of the things you are suggesting or even the fact you can't do them. Defense is still going to have a defense cap the target can take and CCage exists for easy lazy gameplay there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbyssalSerpent Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Pizzarugi said: As a Revenant main, this worries me. The more DE pumps him up, the more likely they're going to nerf him. I don't know: Voruna for example already did exceedingly well in both SP mission and on Archon Hunts before her buffs, yet DE keeps giving her more and more buffs over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cute_moth.npc Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 I don't think it's that big of a deal? Other players bring their own survival plan, if they don't then maybe it will help but otherwise we have had amazing support like Trinity and Harrow for years, and they're basically extinct. Nobody really needs a defense focus unless they were already not ready for the mission they're doing. On the other hand if it works on defense objects, Revenant is going to get nerfed into the dirt later lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzarugi Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 43 minutes ago, AbyssalSerpent said: I don't know: Voruna for example already did exceedingly well in both SP mission and on Archon Hunts before her buffs, yet DE keeps giving her more and more buffs over time. Far as I understand, Voruna doesn't have a defense skill that makes her literally immune to dying so long as she has the buff active, an ability that can 1shot anything enthralled by her, or a press-4-to-win gimmick. Voruna may do well in SP missions and Archon Hunts, but Revenant can scale infinitely to max enemy level without any effort. Giving him an augment that also makes allies into unkillable tanks is just going to make him OP. Not to mention that it makes Trinity more redundant as a team support frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormy505 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 The thing I'm curious about is if it will pull from the same pool of mesmer skin charges or have a separate one for each ally. Like if allies getting hit drained your charges then that's a way to balance it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almxce Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Pizzarugi said: As a Revenant main, this worries me. The more DE pumps him up, the more likely they're going to nerf him. He's fine as he is and I'm not sure why they're buffing him again. I honestly hope they scrap this idea of adding mesmer stacks to allies as it's just unnecessary, maybe they add an augment for his 4 instead or something something for Enthrall e.g. you can either Enthrall as usual or using the augment mod killing a certain amount of Enthralled targets causes summons three Eidolon Vomvalysts that buff his melee damage temporarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Lord ChibiVR Posted January 28, 2023 Author Share Posted January 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Almxce said: He's fine as he is and I'm not sure why they're buffing him again. I honestly hope they scrap this idea of adding mesmer stacks to allies as it's just unnecessary, maybe they add an augment for his 4 instead or something something for Enthrall e.g. you can either Enthrall as usual or using the augment mod killing a certain amount of Enthralled targets causes summons three Eidolon Vomvalysts that buff his melee damage temporarily. Honestly the only thing Revenant lacks is damage buffing, which I can get from his 1st augment or from helminth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gioMisterio Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Its fun how Revenant is in strange mix of being better than most frames and being as dull as Inaros at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PollexMessier Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 6 hours ago, Pizzarugi said: As a Revenant main, this worries me. The more DE pumps him up, the more likely they're going to nerf him. 100% this. Rev's getting a lot of hate on the forums right now and this would genuinely make him way too powerful. I dont want to see him get nerfed but DE rarely ever backpedals on mistakes they make (In fact I've only ever seen them do this one single time. With the ridiculous bubonico ammo nerf) so if they add this and realize they've made a terrible mistake. They'll "fix" it by nerfing mesmer skin instead of the incredibly obviously broken op augment they created. I'm so sick of DE making obviously terrible balance decisions that the playerbase can see from a mile away and warns them not to do, but they do it anyways and then punish the playerbase for their mistake by nerfing something else into oblivion to "balance" the thing they screwed up instead of just un-screwing it. Because they are chronically incapable of admitting how many terrible decisions they make. It happens so painfully often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Lord ChibiVR Posted January 28, 2023 Author Share Posted January 28, 2023 47 minutes ago, PollexMessier said: 100% this. Rev's getting a lot of hate on the forums right now and this would genuinely make him way too powerful. I dont want to see him get nerfed but DE rarely ever backpedals on mistakes they make (In fact I've only ever seen them do this one single time. With the ridiculous bubonico ammo nerf) so if they add this and realize they've made a terrible mistake. They'll "fix" it by nerfing mesmer skin instead of the incredibly obviously broken op augment they created. I'm so sick of DE making obviously terrible balance decisions that the playerbase can see from a mile away and warns them not to do, but they do it anyways and then punish the playerbase for their mistake by nerfing something else into oblivion to "balance" the thing they screwed up instead of just un-screwing it. Because they are chronically incapable of admitting how many terrible decisions they make. It happens so painfully often. Luckily for me, I'm working towards getting a functional Last Gasp Unairu build so I can jump ship for Gauss (along with Garuda and Hildryn) when that happens. Seriously tho, the only things Revenant has over other frames is that he can tank toxin damage easily and that he scales at tanking indefinitely, both of which can be implemented on other frames via operator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrivaMain Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 It's funny how stupidly powerful underrated frames immediately gets popular as soon as its prime variant is released. However, it will be hard for DE to nerf Revenant because he is "Non-Disruptive" to other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakaku Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 I just want to know how exactly you're supposed to manage all of your teammates' Mesmer Skins. How do you know when someone's MS runs out, when to recast it, and paying attention to that in the middle of a shootout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Shaun-T-Wilson Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, Pakaku said: I just want to know how exactly you're supposed to manage all of your teammates' Mesmer Skins. How do you know when someone's MS runs out, when to recast it, and paying attention to that in the middle of a shootout you dont mostly, rev players already have a method to give a stack to other players by reaving through them but it never really happens. And casting the skin removes all stack for a few moments during recast, so its unlikely rev player will risk it unless their running low themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoomaseller Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Pakaku said: I just want to know how exactly you're supposed to manage all of your teammates' Mesmer Skins. How do you know when someone's MS runs out, when to recast it, and paying attention to that in the middle of a shootout right now if u reave through a teammate with MS active you will grant them a single stack of MS. an icon will appear next to their names showing that they have a stack. I'm guessing it'll be the same w/ augment. but with a counter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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