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I want to report players for "afk" playing

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I've recently played through a few fissure interception missions on public matchmaking where two of my fellow players would play "afk" where they wouldn't move their characters when necessary such as reviving me or someone else who died. I had one guy who played hydroid and "defended" a point by staying puddled. If I went into bleedout cause my defensive abilities were canceled cause of nullifier bubbles and then took bombard rockets in the face, the hydroid player standing beneath me would stay puddled beneath me and not move to make an attempt to revive me. Another player I came across appears to have placed a specter with an ignis on a point and went far far away and did nothing else.

I want to report people who I would describe as griefing by playing AFK for rewards but there's no category in game that would let me do this. What should I do when I come across players who choose to intentionally play in an "AFK" manner?

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Make sure they aren’t in operator. I see people sneaking around leveling their amps on Hydron from time to time. AFK playing isn’t bad in my opinion. I’ve had to suddenly run AFK for something plenty of times. Bathroom, etc. Once I stepped away (someone knocked at front door) for 2 waves on Hydron and folks complained... end mission progress report showed I still had most damage and kills.  

This is a long grinding game. Extractors are mining while you’re AFK. I don’t mind AFK players because a lot of times, those mr3 guys on pug Eidolon hunts are best left hiding and not needing to be revived all the time. Or on spy missions trigging alarms and losing data. Same goes with Hydron when someone has to rank up a crap weapon and rank 0 frame. I forma’ed a Lanka 7 times and Rhino 5 times in an afternoon. Weapons are easy now for Mesa’s 4 makes Hydron easy work (20-30 seconds a wave)

On the plains, I get folks mad at me because I’ll go in by myself for farming and fish. No bounty. People come in and start dying and complain I’m not helping. 

If someone wants to go AFK and not help, fine. If it takes 5 minutes to bust a defense wave, I bail on A cycle.  

For Sorties, I’m at the point where i can solo them no problem. But I pug them anyways. 

The problems I’ve been seeing lurking the forums and in game is people complaining about the smallest thing... like every pug eidolon hunt my buddy and I do. People complain even though we carry them. And we do 2 tricaps in a night cycle. And we do all the work ( I play DPS and end with around 60-70% damage dealt). He plays shield buster and lure keeper. 

There are very little situations in which I rely on a pull party. Vault runs is about the only thing. That and turning in the spawning totems for the tricaps but typically we bust the first eidolon out so fast that’s rarely an issue. 

So reporting AFK players is petty in my opinion. I’d rather not waste DEs time. Instead report people harassing players. If someone doesn’t pick you up in a mission, don’t hate them. Just don’t pick them up. Simple eye for an eye. Worst guy I’ve dealt with was cursing at us during a tricap and refused to pick us up. My buddy went down and he came over to tea bag him and he went down too. I picked both up even though that kid ended up on the Reported for language list for DE. Mind your mics is all I ask. Or stay in priv party chats and problem solved. 

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On 2019-01-08 at 5:25 PM, (PS4)Jaterac said:

Make sure they aren’t in operator. I see people sneaking around leveling their amps on Hydron from time to time. AFK playing isn’t bad in my opinion. I’ve had to suddenly run AFK for something plenty of times. Bathroom, etc. Once I stepped away (someone knocked at front door) for 2 waves on Hydron and folks complained... end mission progress report showed I still had most damage and kills. 

Being in operator =/= leeching 100% of the time. I've been to hydron leveling an amp countless times and for certain amp combos I've ended up with the most kills *cough* New Venus 666 amp *cough* (even with the 777 I had more kills as operator than  2 of the guys in the squad, granted they were both below MR10 but still)

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Quit the mission and restart with a new group that doesn't do what you don't like?

All you really lose, from going into a new session, is time, and quite frankly, if you have enough of it to take a break from playing to come here and post, then you've got plenty of that to spare.

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On 2018-12-28 at 8:24 PM, PsychicKitty said:

I think what this game needs is some items to Teleport team members to you to you...

This falls into the category of Auction house or Kick-Feature imo.

It would be nice to have for sure but like the other ideas it has severe flaws. Think about this.

Leecher or troll stays behind, rest finishes the mission. Right before they were on extraction or maybe when they are waiting for the last person, said one uses the teleport and all members are at the start again.

And if you can only teleport one member or put the teleport on a cooldown you still can troll others

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16 hours ago, GnarlsDarkley said:

This falls into the category of Auction house or Kick-Feature imo.

It would be nice to have for sure but like the other ideas it has severe flaws. Think about this.

Leecher or troll stays behind, rest finishes the mission. Right before they were on extraction or maybe when they are waiting for the last person, said one uses the teleport and all members are at the start again.

And if you can only teleport one member or put the teleport on a cooldown you still can troll others

That's why you have a prompt.

You see in another game people did troll others by teleporting into bad places or at wrong times(they would invite you to a team teleport you to their group which was in the air above a bunch of giant monsters. You would then appear and if you didn't fly you would drop into them and the monsters would attack and kill you.  But after some of those trolls accidentally teleported a developer for that other game.  The said developer first messed with them by spawning super bosses on top of them .

But then they decided to have a prompt.  Which if someone try's to teleport you, you can click no.

 

Though I personally suggest a yes and no prompt and timer.  As in if you don't click you just get teleported.  If you hit yes you teleport immediately if you hit no then they cant do much .

 

And to prevent the typical bot afk stuff you simply have the accept and decline options switch every so often.

 

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On 2018-12-20 at 1:42 PM, mushypancake said:

Then there's me and a few others who can't contribute in defense when some just spam their 4*saryn COUGH gara COUGH* and kill them before they even come out of a door and you're there just standing around admiring the floor design.

True

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Wow. Lots of hate on the OP. My guess is that he has valid frustrations but picked bad examples with which to express those frustrations.

What I will say is that, regardless of the poster's situation, I have personally witnessed people that are quite literally AFK (like, standing at the start of the mission and not ever moving, even to run to the exit when we're trying to extract). It also bothers me to no end when people join PoE / OV bounties and go off and fish/mine or whatever, hoping to have me and others do the quest while they simultaneously farm resources. The latter, if you weren't aware, DE has tried to fix, to an extent, at least with OV. You need to be at the place where the thing is happening or you don't get quest rewards or pickups like Toroids. It's not a perfect system, though, and doesn't work very well at all in PoE, and even in OV, you can ignore the quest and fish/mine as long as you're close enough to the action.

I do agree with what everyone has said, though, about being careful not to report users that simply are bad or look like they're afk but aren't. Maybe there was an emergency and someone had to get up for a minute - it happens to even the most dedicated player - though I wish people would at least SAY something when that happens. There's also a line between stopping between stages of a bounty to grab a single mining vein that is right in your face versus going to mine for entire bounty stage, and sometimes that line is hard to find.

What I will say, though, is at the end of the day there will always be people who try to abuse others and the system in general to get what they want without putting in the work, and when it's a conscious decision they've made, like literally fishing during every stage of a 4 or 5-part bounty, those are the people I'd really like to just uninstall the game, but since that isn't going to happen, it would be nice to have a method of reporting them ... it's just that, as everyone's said, people's ideas of AFK and abuse will differ and it's unlikely that DE will ever be able to sort out the actual offenders from the borderline or misunderstood cases. It sucks, but there it is. My best advice would be to leave those groups and get on with enjoying yourself. Dwelling too much on the negative will only make your experience worse.

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Well, for me I look AFK sometimes, but I'm not because I'm still loading (though it doesn't sound like they were still loading, just defending their interception point). 

This happens in POE, and Fortuna mainly, but it does happen in normal missions sometimes too.

If I'm doing the final POE/Fortuna Bounty, I'll load after the 3rd or 2nd part is done.

So if you see me, and you think "Why is Gray not moving, why are they AFKing??",

just remember..that I need to upgrade from my laptop and get a nice desktop lol

 

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15 hours ago, Camels said:

If there's actually a way to do something about it, let me know.  If you don't want to actually play the game, then don't play the damn game.  I don't understand people.

I think you should reread what OP said.

He doesn't say they aint contributing to the mission. Even a spectre can defend a intersception point at low levels. He's blaming other players for not helping him. So according to him they are 'afk'-ing, because they dont bother with his mistakes. His false accusations are one of the many reasons why DE are reluctant about processing player reports.

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Meh, this isn't as bad compared to what I've encountered while doing a defense alert. One Excalibur just stood above the cryopod and went afk, occasionally moving a bit to prevent triggering idle status *sigh* I was using Gara so he knows he can safely afk.
I wanted to break the glass wall so bad so he would get hit but he's standing at the cryopod, so we have no choice but to move on and defend the objective. (I don't spam 4,1,4,1 combo when I run with other people because I don't want them to hate meeee)

I usually just let those kind of things go since the mission wasn't that hard but if it was a difficult one and some player decided to let the rest of the team do the work 😠
Anyway, OP's complaint is off tho. Interception is really about staying and defending your point until the round ends. And I don't mind people doing "afk gaming" as long as they're still helping complete the objective, whether they are happily spamming their skill or they have specters out...as long they contribute something, it's fine. If it was the same with the guy on my defense mission, did absolutely nothing and still got the rewards. Maybe a player point system that counts kills and assists (for support roles), and completing the objective (retrieving data in spy, capturing targets, etc), so if someone went afk, they would get the lowest amount of reward or no reward at all MUWAHAHA to discourage afk-ing.

Lastly, don't be a crybaby if no one revived you. Srsly, how old are you?
I don't expect people to revive me especially if we're all busy fighting/defending or doing whatever the objective is. "Forget about me and go make this mission a success!" 😭

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Actually, I don't know about the criteria implemented, but the game can and will punish you for inactivity, denying you the rewards of the mission, but afaik it only works on defense, dunno about interceptions/survivals/excavations.

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I admit that I do be aft sometimes. People might have to be going somewhere for a few minutes to do something (brb) or they could be afking on purpose

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OP,

 

I understand how frustrating something like that can be. As others have pointed out, though, if what the other players are doing contributes to the mission there’s not really anything that they’re doing wrong. I get equally frustrated when I have a frost or a vauban drop snow globe/bastille and just idle on top of a defense objective. The reality is that they are helping the mission succeed. They aren’t required to do so in a way you or I approve of. 

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3 минуты назад, (PS4)Jaterac сказал:

I’ve had to suddenly run AFK for something plenty of times. Bathroom, etc. Once I stepped away (someone knocked at front door) for 2 waves on Hydron and folks complained... end mission progress report showed I still had most damage and kills.  

The situation you've mentioned is fine, a couple of waves afk is not a crime, if you need to run out for a minute or two. However, 15 waves on hydron with 0-1% dealt damage in a pug group in not a support frame is a report from me (that's concerning Hydron). As far as my experience in WF goes, there is no such nuke frame which will 100% deny you kills in 15 minutes of playtime. 
 
I guess I won't have an argument valid enough for you to explain why, but not making an effort in a grinding game makes me think that the said player has already burned out/has no interest in playing, so why do it?  
 
In regards to POE and OV - I usually don't pug these modes, but one thinking that getting free bounty rewards while they gather resources is quite selfish, since resources aren't shared within a team, ergo this is leeching. Even if it is possible for me to carry the bounty solo. 
 
A coop game implies that you cooperate with your teammates. It does not require anyone to speedrun the mission and sure does not mean that, when choosing a public mission, to waste anyones time. Afaik devs have a similar outlook.
 
Call it petty if you want, but for me, effort is fun to witness and be a part of. 

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Yeah, that's not afk. You don't have to rez people. And I've had maps where I'm annoyed at someone and don't bother. Like if they've done 0% damage or something like that.

Afk is where someone sits in a corner and does literally nothing. Had it happen in a defense today when farming mesa relics. I backed off, let them get beaten to death, then continued on with the mission.

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Players are "obligated" to pick you up but it's not their "responsibility". Just because someone isn't playing the way you would doesn't mean they're afk or griefing. One guy put up a spectre and probly rotated around the map for loot* and reactant. A LOT of ppl do this. The hydroid you spoke of was doing his job to protect his tower. coming out of his puddle to res you could have compromised that tower as well. That's not afk. I get this can be frustrating but falsely reporting someone without legitimate reasoning can get you in trouble. what you wrote is not a legit reason and it sounds like a simple case of clashing playstyles. Just shrug it off and move on.

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7 hours ago, (PS4)xtharbadx said:

I'm confused.

Sounds like those players were successfully defending each of their interception points. That's sort of the goal of the mission no?

If they move away from their points to yours to help you out, the enemy will capture their points.

Seems to me that you just went to the mission unprepared, and while your squad mates managed to protect their interception points, you weren't able.

What am I missing here?

I just wanted to say the same. That it actually seems that "AFK" players ignored noob that just ran around and died because they were busy defending points. At least about Hydroid it sounds legit to drown mobs and be invincible at same time in order to prevent the capture of objective. 

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Then there's me and a few others who can't contribute in defense when some just spam their 4*saryn COUGH gara COUGH* and kill them before they even come out of a door and you're there just standing around admiring the floor design.

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I wasn't on your team, but from what I've read, I would like to point out that your team mates not reviving you or not playing the way you expect them to is not really being afk, rather poor team play. But yes, it is possible to meet an afk player, especially on POE or OV. If you really wish to repot someone for these actions, make screenshots and send them here: https://digitalextremes.zendesk.com/hc/en-us while providing a detailed report of what happened. 
 
N.B.!: Falsely reporting someone might backfire on you.

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9 hours ago, (PS4)xtharbadx said:

I'm confused.

Sounds like those players were successfully defending each of their interception points. That's sort of the goal of the mission no?

If they move away from their points to yours to help you out, the enemy will capture their points.

Seems to me that you just went to the mission unprepared, and while your squad mates managed to protect their interception points, you weren't able.

What am I missing here?

I have same idea.

Especially because it's interception due to the fact that sometimes there are so many enemies coming in that if you go and res someone who can't handle their own point you will lose yours in seconds and will need to struggle to capture again. I've left quite a few people just die in interception because there is a point that it's not worth resurrecting someone who came not properly prepared and resurrecting him will cost in loosing my own interception point which will make it 2 lost interception points instead of 1. And if me and 2 other players are successfully holding our own points while 1 can't do that, well it guarantees finishing the mission so therefore I'm not going to risk it. And usually other party members think alike.

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13 hours ago, GnarlsDarkley said:

This falls into the category of Auction house or Kick-Feature imo.

It would be nice to have for sure but like the other ideas it has severe flaws. Think about this.

Leecher or troll stays behind, rest finishes the mission. Right before they were on extraction or maybe when they are waiting for the last person, said one uses the teleport and all members are at the start again.

And if you can only teleport one member or put the teleport on a cooldown you still can troll others

Or, what they're doing in survival/defense: have one that races to extraction and just stands there killing mobs there, for easy extraction if everyone dies. They'll be guaranteed loot and no "mission fails". With the void traces, they also don't lose their relic (if they avoid killing any fissure NPCs).

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On 2018-12-19 at 11:21 PM, (PS4)Black_Adder_ said:

I just wanted to say the same. That it actually seems that "AFK" players ignored noob that just ran around and died because they were busy defending points. At least about Hydroid it sounds legit to drown mobs and be invincible at same time in order to prevent the capture of objective. 

IDK, those techniques are sound, but there’s also the role play of it. I was just in a longer survival run (not long, but a little over 30min) and my team mates where constantly going down at a certain threshold. I was in my Inaros frame so I changed roles at a certain point and started picking up everyone I could get too to keep the game going. Some frames are just squishy after a certain threshold... These two may have defended their points but the team is only your team for that match, call it what you want but this AFK with benefits at best 😉 I’ve been in plenty of pub groups where people did their own thing and we failed - especially at higher levels, there should always be a little room for team care.

That said, the OP needs to live, learn, and suck it up - unless this becomes a daily issue (for some it has), just leave it and find a new pub group. Take another look at your mods, figure out a new survivability tactic. Team play is implied in WF, but you still need to carry yourself if needs be. Also, I’d like to know where the hydroid found the energy generation to sit out an entire match in puddle form, while guarding a constantly attacked control point... that’s a lot of energy loss after few rounds!

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I'm confused.

Sounds like those players were successfully defending each of their interception points. That's sort of the goal of the mission no?

If they move away from their points to yours to help you out, the enemy will capture their points.

Seems to me that you just went to the mission unprepared, and while your squad mates managed to protect their interception points, you weren't able.

What am I missing here?

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On 2018-12-28 at 11:24 AM, PsychicKitty said:

I personally may have been a Hydroid doing the pool thing....and not rezzed people.....especially when I am holding like 50 enemies in my pool. 

I also have gone into pool form when super surrounded.....I don't typically use the pool unless I am getting slaughtered and the team I am with as well.

 

Though I have played with a few AFKer and leechers….the leechers tick me off more....because you can see them deliberately doing it.

 

The AFKers sat back at the entry point and did nada...this happened during some spy missions and mobile defense missions.....but could have been worse...they could have annoying messed up the missions for everyone.

Now leech wise....in one mission a player deliberately killed them selves to get the credit during a sorty.

In orb valis….a leecher stayed back by the entry door....until the team killed the profit taker and then came in and got the rewards......I unfortunately died my final death and got nothing....so it was a bit annoying.  

 

Now I myself became an almost  leecher in one sorty, because for some reason a door in front of me wasn't opened for me.....it was for other players and enemies.....so I just killed the enemies because they spawned right where I was...to run at the other players trying to destroy the big gun.

 

I think what this game needs is some items to Teleport team members to you to you...that way if they afk...you teleport them right in the middle of the fight.

If they are leeching...you teleport them right into the fight....if they are stuck...you can teleport them to you and they will help.

 

That's my personal suggestion....a constructed item allowing the teleportation of a single team member.

 

It can have a prompt so the person can elect to not be teleported to stop griefing or to teleport instantly to not have to wait….but it should other wise have a timer of say 5 or 10 seconds....and teleport them if they don't select the prompt.

And to prevent bots or auto click...the buttons should move, switch from the left or right side of the prompt, swapping every so often....to make people actually stay alert and active. 

I dig the teleport idea for bounties and quest missions! General farming in the open spaces... Maybe not, but if people take on a quest or bounty that's what they should focus on. 

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On 2018-12-20 at 5:53 AM, Andrew7811 said:

I've recently played through a few fissure interception missions on public matchmaking where two of my fellow players would play "afk" where they wouldn't move their characters when necessary such as reviving me or someone else who died. I had one guy who played hydroid and "defended" a point by staying puddled. If I went into bleedout cause my defensive abilities were canceled cause of nullifier bubbles and then took bombard rockets in the face, the hydroid player standing beneath me would stay puddled beneath me and not move to make an attempt to revive me. Another player I came across appears to have placed a specter with an ignis on a point and went far far away and did nothing else.

I want to report people who I would describe as griefing by playing AFK for rewards but there's no category in game that would let me do this. What should I do when I come across players who choose to intentionally play in an "AFK" manner?

When it comes to warframe grind there’s generally two schools of thought.

As fast as possible, sweat like hell and finish the content ASAP for chance at drop.

OR

As easy as possible, “afk” farm so you don’t burn out.

Most frames can do either one, some frames excel at one or the other.

This is a PVE game, do keep that in mind. You aren’t losing SR or ELO, your pride points aren’t effected by other people’s performance.

You just do you 🙂

If someone is truly standing away from an objective and doing absolutely nothing for more than a few minutes, sure, report them.

My account is 53 days old and I’ve only seen one person afk, a LOT of people lazy farming though.

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