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This whole Isolation Vault bounty, now with added sideway bounties got needlessly convoluted.


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It is confusing for players because we still can not see the tier of the bounty we are in now. Also the isolation vault seem to reset to tier 1 if you pursue one of the new sideway bounty chains. Like creating a raid with a decision tree quest chain which won't tell you the consequences until you are at the end.

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This needs further explanation indeed.

Yesterday we grouped up and had no idea, other than that we had to do ISO first.

The other issue that needs addressing is: do we really have to complete ISO T3 every time, so we can do the 3 new bounties, and if so I'm not touching Deimos ever again.

Having to do an unfailable mind numbing 20-30 min mobile defense, so I can do another mind numbing 20-30 min mobile defense, so I can have 50% chance for the reward to be endo and 7% what I actually want is not my idea of "time well spent" playing a game.

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I was always under the assumption that you would do 1 Iso Vault first, and then you'd be given random vaults for your T2 and T3 mission, which would then have a chance to award the weapon parts upon completion. so you'd have to do 2 or 3 vaults, assuming you get a piece on the second or third run: just the same as we did 3 runs for more chances at Necramech drops.

if it really is a case of "do 2 tri-vaults back to back for a 7% chance at a part", then this is a SERIOUS issue, and I genuinely don't know how anyone could come to the conclusion that this was a good idea. I know we say "DE don't respect your time", but this is disrespect on a whole new level. I could be wrong, maybe it's not this bad? is it? 

 

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this update also make the iso vault the worst case of people leaving mid mission deliberately as well. In one case, i have 10+ different tennoes queue up into a single vault run because people keep leaving after one vault done before starting the next (we do tier 3 then bounty).

For the life of me i can't understand why DE want to create as much distraction on the main objective goal as possible (fish and animal trafficking), then move on to create sub-objective that not everyone want to do, and now they freaking make one mission outright have different objectives .... What next? remove public match making and force people to use recruit chat only?

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Deimos is trash. Open world content is trash. They can put best in slot items on deimos and i still wont do it. 

Ive already done 2 open world faction grinds and have zilch to show for it. Empty, shallow, lazy, boring, buggy, laggy trash.

Im like halfway through the grind and there isnt a single thing in this zone thats incentive enough to tolerate it.

#getapanzerandbounce

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I do think the current structure of the new vaults should change as well. If they wanted us to do the Iso bounties once to permanently "unlock" the new bounties that you could select from Mother then sure (that's what I thought it was when I first read it) but having to do a bunch of Iso bounties to get the option to start the new bounties every time is rough. Especially if you wanna get a full set of arcanes or something.

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So what do I need to do to start this new bounty? Usual I so run and then what exactly?

I tried this today, we've got 3 vaults, but then 2 dudes decided to leave and this forcefully extracted all 4 of us. When I checked bounties again at mother, she didn't even have regular isos neither new ones.

I didn't feel like redoing this again, can somebody explain what are the required steps please and what do I get from that?

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45 minutes ago, 32768 said:

So what do I need to do to start this new bounty? Usual I so run and then what exactly?

I tried this today, we've got 3 vaults, but then 2 dudes decided to leave and this forcefully extracted all 4 of us. When I checked bounties again at mother, she didn't even have regular isos neither new ones.

I didn't feel like redoing this again, can somebody explain what are the required steps please and what do I get from that?

You have 3 new bounties locked behind each of old one. For example after T1 you have access to T2 and newT2, but can't start new before finishing old one.

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On 2020-11-20 at 11:47 AM, Prexades said:

It is confusing for players because we still can not see the tier of the bounty we are in now. Also the isolation vault seem to reset to tier 1 if you pursue one of the new sideway bounty chains. Like creating a raid with a decision tree quest chain which won't tell you the consequences until you are at the end.

hmm, i just did this whole chain thing in the way of: vault A, extra mission A, vault B, extra mission B, vault C, extra misison C... and then, which might be an unintentional bug, we did the extra missions again in the same session. maybe if a vault is already open, that is an easier way to farm those weapon parts and arcanes...

still, there is a big downside to the whole thing: DEs inability to solve the waypoint and GUI-marker problem(s), reaches a new all-time-high with this mechanic. in the end i had so many old and false markings on my screen, i had to ask my mates to go to the objectives so i won't accidently run across the whole map toward a wrong marker.

btw: you can't see the "tier" but you can do educational guesses by the enemies level to help you out, or whole thing and get all of them tiers together ^^)

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Yep won't be touching these bounty grinds until the access to the tiers is easier having to repeatedly do 3 iso vaults to do the t3 arcana only to repeat again when i don't get that 7% drop is terrible design, this all is assuming you don't have anything bug out or a host migration. why it couldn't have just been unlock "a" vault then have the option of the different tier arcana bounties in that vault I dunno.

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47 minutes ago, Nazzami said:

why it couldn't have just been unlock "a" vault then have the option of the different tier arcana bounties in that vault I dunno.

well, so far that seems to be the way it works: do the vault, then go to the 'mother' point where you get thrown out after competion of it and start the 'arcane-run' from there...

we first did all 3 vaults and then started doing the arcane runs after (with all the usual nonsense of searching the correct 'mother' place again and such) and it also worked this way. in short, the main problem is how confusing it works right now, even though after reading through the update-info post. the whole vault+extra gig should be made entirely by starting the mission once in the hub, then making it an option to do or not the additional steps (like with the vault door, that one does not need to open if one is only after the drops from the mechs). the whole part of getting upstairs again to start the extra mission, and even the need to start the next vault via the 'correct' mother outside is one silly design fault imo. thumb-rule: keep it simple stupid  - that works best for most things in life...

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Deimos is vaults are really testing my patience.  Losing NM experience because of host migrations. Losing experience because I started one of the side gig bounties. The old bugs with vault doors not opening after the correct combination was activated. Some bounty task with an almost sadistic and counter intuitive game design of having to mark enemies by throwing spore sacs at them which have to be created first. The later one is really easy to fail if one guy in the team doesn't listen to the rest of the team asking him to stop mindless killing.

No using NM outside of the open worlds which makes leveling them to 40 an absolute nightmare, especially with the issues of losing experience in open world bounties.

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Yup, totally not engaging with iso vaults until they separate them.  I've not done the old iso missions for a month and that's because I've got everything I want from them. There is zero reason for me to want to do them again.

 It's like saying you have to do bounties 1-3 every time you want to have a go at Profit Taker.

Eff that noise.

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Bonus fun is when you have to avoid killing enemies so you can mark them and your pet keeps killing and then a Kuva Lich comes in to "help".

 

Oh and "thank you" DE for doubling the vault size, increasing loids speed and decreasing his health. I have never seen so many iso vaults with random people fail since this change.

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I'm surprised people actually try the new vaults out. Original T1-T3 already takes ~40 minutes to finish due to forced time gates and another 40 minutes after that is an instant NO from me. If you have everything from the old vaults it's just 40 minutes of wasted life for you. Don't care whatever cr@p is behind the new vaults.

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There is alot confusion with this...

I was under impression that you need complete all 3 Loid escort to be eligible for Damaged weapon parts bonus reward (before Deimos Arcana), now players claim that only T3 Loid escort is enough for that 

Because this procedure is nightmare:

T1 - bait/open access, kill 1 necramech, skip Loid

T2 - bait/open access, kill 2 necramechs, skip Loid, play bounties for Arum parts

T3 - bait/open access, kill 3 necrameches, escort Loid for archgun damaged weapon parts, play bounty for Sporothrix parts

Also repeating bounty results way too much time into bugs where you have to abbandon objective or worse, go to Necralisk and start whole process again

DE should skip that Bait creation and once when is access to ISO Vault open you can chain tiers indepent

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vor 8 Minuten schrieb Myscho:

There is alot confusion with this...

I was under impression that you need complete all 3 Loid escort to be eligible for Damaged weapon parts bonus reward (before Deimos Arcana), now players claim that only T3 Loid escort is enough for that 

Because this procedure is nightmare:

T1 - bait/open access, kill 1 necramech, skip Loid

T2 - bait/open access, kill 2 necramechs, skip Loid, play bounties for Arum parts

T3 - bait/open access, kill 3 necrameches, escort Loid for archgun damaged weapon parts, play bounty for Sporothrix parts

Also repeating bounty results way too much time into bugs where you have to abbandon objective or worse, go to Necralisk and start whole process again

DE should skip that Bait creation and once when is access to ISO Vault open you can chain tiers indepent

i got damaged weapon part from t1. so its possible to get it after escort. maybe the chances are just extremely low

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