"Persian" Kavats

[PsiWarp]

As much as I appreciate a real life Persian cat (so FLUFFY and cute!), the Persian Kavat just doesn't do it for me. Not only is the head tiny, the slouching ears and big nose reminds me of a dog, further "enhanced" by the slightly parted mouth. There's not enough fur on the Persian Kavat head to look like a real life Persian cat, making it a very awkward-looking and glaring part of the Kavat that does not necessarily mimic the real thing.

I certainly hope the Art team can take another gander at this.

[CroqueMortTime]

 

29 minutes ago, [DE]Rebecca said:

2) Art conspiracy is not valid. Art imitates life, and it's worth mentioning the Kavats draw reference from real felines. This particular face... well, it's from the undisputed most popular cat breed in the world: the Persian. The Persian has 'held the number one spot since the CFA started recording breed popularity in 1871.'

 

Hi Rebecca,

In 1871 the flat-face type of persian cat didn't exist, it appeared around 1950 through rare genetic mutations, and traditional persian cats have a much nicer face... with a nose !

Also the main feature of traditional persian cats is to be a big fluff ball... :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_cat

[God_is_a_Cat_Girl]

48 minutes ago, [DE]Rebecca said:

A couple of broad things here to be addressed:

1) Art feedback is completely valid and will be passed along to the team for sure!
2) Art conspiracy is not valid. Art imitates life, and it's worth mentioning the Kavats draw reference from real felines. This particular face... well, it's from the undisputed most popular cat breed in the world: the Persian. The Persian has 'held the number one spot since the CFA started recording breed popularity in 1871.'

Sources:
http://cats.petbreeds.com/stories/1598/americas-favorite-felines#10
https://www.purina.com/cats/cat-breeds/collections/most-popular-cat-breeds
http://www.catster.com/cat-breeds/most-popular-cat-breeds

 

 

I guess people like Peke-face Persians better? Because this articles only say Persian but only show the mutated Peke-face, not the traditional Persian (which IMO is indeed a beautiful cat, Peke-face is just cute because small face surrounded by fur but just not as beautiful), but I guess they made the mutation the standard which is... silly, and funny since it probably only hurts the race as a whole, considering the health issues associated with Peke-face.

Some Doll-face Persians are just so goshly adorable.

Edited July 27, 2016 by God_is_a_Cat_Girl

[GlisteningMagnificence]

37 minutes ago, [DE]Rebecca said:

1) Art feedback is completely valid and will be passed along to the team for sure!

I'm not particularly fond of flat-faced pets, but real-life Persian cats are cute because of  certain traits - big eyes, sad mouth and fluff - none of which the aforementioned kavat presents. The only kavat body currently available does not accommodate well its head proportions - the neck is too long and thin, making the chin stand out too much, like it's been displaced. The fact the kavat is in a permanent gape-mouthed stance doesn't help either. Its teeth are also... crooked? I don't know, but they're odd-placed as well, bcause the mouth is too small to fit them in. Also, the skull is too wide in relation to its height, so it looks like the kavat suffers from microcephaly.

TL;DR it just feels like this kavat has way too many genetic defects and putting it out of its misery was the best thing I could do for it. I'm talking as a biologist here.

Oh, and the ears are based off a Scottish fold, not a Persian, so technically it's a mix of both.

[DeFragMe]

2 minutes ago, DerMetzgermeister said:

TL;DR it just feels like this kavat has way too many genetic defects and putting it out of its misery was the best thing I could do for it. I'm talking as a biologist here.

 

you could have donated it to the grinneer... iam sure they would be happy about genetic research victims in cloning....

[(PSN)Elvenbane]

1 hour ago, [DE]Rebecca said:

A couple of broad things here to be addressed:

1) Art feedback is completely valid and will be passed along to the team for sure!
2) Art conspiracy is not valid. Art imitates life, and it's worth mentioning the Kavats draw reference from real felines. This particular face... well, it's from the undisputed most popular cat breed in the world: the Persian. The Persian has 'held the number one spot since the CFA started recording breed popularity in 1871.'

Sources:
http://cats.petbreeds.com/stories/1598/americas-favorite-felines#10
https://www.purina.com/cats/cat-breeds/collections/most-popular-cat-breeds
http://www.catster.com/cat-breeds/most-popular-cat-breeds

 

 

Persian cats are abominations of selective breeding (this one is rather cute though). That said, the short muzzle and associated health issues would be totally undesirable in a "war" cat...so while I get the inspiration, it doesn't make logical sense to breed these features into a kavat. The end result also missed the mark, it's unpleasant to look at; everything else (limbs/ears) has been elongated, a flattened face is really ill-fitting. I'm sure some probably like the pugvat, but I know I won't be happy if I get one and will have to consign it to the Lotus (please don't tell my local SPCA).

[AandOE]

I can imagine a new Kavat breed being very, very hairy, with 'Shed' as a precept. XD

[Urlan]

To my knowledge, in the states, the American Tabby and Calico style (American Shorthair) to be far more numerous as far as cats go at around 95% of all house cats. Australia also has something of a problem with those breeds last I heard. But while I consider the Persian to be something of a stretch - in physical respects - to become a Kavat, I can see small features here and there, most prominently the pug mouth as pointed out.

Artistically, I would look more towards the Ocelot, Serval, Lynx, and the Caracal for physical features and modeling that would reflect real world Kavat inspirations. While the Persian does have something of a pug style mouth from its pure breed upbringing, it lacks any other features common to the pug face kavat - though this could simply be artistic vision not quite translating across mediums yet. I know Vay Hek would look quite appropriate stroking a cyber Persian kavat telling the elitist beasty that we thought it was going to be easy. I would love to see the typical Persian hair needing constant human grooming to not mat in the future on Kavat!

[Bouldershoulder]

13 hours ago, War-Zone said:

After farming 20 kavat genetic codes I finally get my fisrt kavat. As a kitten it looked normal then when fully grown it turned into something I immediately put into stasis.
Is this done on purpose to make players want to keep farming until they can breed something that looks like the design department actually put some effort into what they were creating? or do people actually like this crap? I've seen decent looking Kavats but with the drop rate of Kavats being what it is currently i'd think they would at least give you something for your effort.

Like, look at this thing. wth?

Oh, idk. I actually like mine. It could use some mane on that long neck, but otherwise it's pretty. Looks like it is an honest and loyal animal (unlike some narrow-faced-vampirish-i'll-eat-your-eyes-while-you-sleep thingies)

[Lucernam]

I dunno, I kind of like it, but I'm strange that way.

[War-Zone]

9 hours ago, [DE]Rebecca said:

A couple of broad things here to be addressed:

1) Art feedback is completely valid and will be passed along to the team for sure!
2) Art conspiracy is not valid. Art imitates life, and it's worth mentioning the Kavats draw reference from real felines. This particular face... well, it's from the undisputed most popular cat breed in the world: the Persian. The Persian has 'held the number one spot since the CFA started recording breed popularity in 1871.'

Sources:
http://cats.petbreeds.com/stories/1598/americas-favorite-felines#10
https://www.purina.com/cats/cat-breeds/collections/most-popular-cat-breeds
http://www.catster.com/cat-breeds/most-popular-cat-breeds

 

 

I get what you're saying but mine resembled a bulldog more than this cat. It was a huge disappointment after farming for it. And an even bigger disappointment when I matured it... hence conspiracy theories. 

It looked like this prior to maturing. I understand that not everything grows up to be beautiful, but these are clearly two different Kavats.




Matured and waiting for death


This is the adult equivalent of the kitten I bred, not what I wound up with. Inconsistency will create conspiracy theories.  
 

Edited July 28, 2016 by War-Zone

[MagPrime]

9 hours ago, [DE]Rebecca said:

A couple of broad things here to be addressed:

1) Art feedback is completely valid and will be passed along to the team for sure!
2) Art conspiracy is not valid. Art imitates life, and it's worth mentioning the Kavats draw reference from real felines. This particular face... well, it's from the undisputed most popular cat breed in the world: the Persian. The Persian has 'held the number one spot since the CFA started recording breed popularity in 1871.'

Sources:
http://cats.petbreeds.com/stories/1598/americas-favorite-felines#10
https://www.purina.com/cats/cat-breeds/collections/most-popular-cat-breeds
http://www.catster.com/cat-breeds/most-popular-cat-breeds

 

 

Would it be possible to reposition the ears to resemble a Scottish Fold, or at least match the ears to the Persians?  I feel that would make the face tolerable.

Right now, it looks like it rand into a wall repeatedly, at different angles and chewed its ears off in frustration. 

[Jangkrik]

10 hours ago, [DE]Rebecca said:

A couple of broad things here to be addressed:

1) Art feedback is completely valid and will be passed along to the team for sure!
2) Art conspiracy is not valid. Art imitates life, and it's worth mentioning the Kavats draw reference from real felines. This particular face... well, it's from the undisputed most popular cat breed in the world: the Persian. The Persian has 'held the number one spot since the CFA started recording breed popularity in 1871.'

Sources:
http://cats.petbreeds.com/stories/1598/americas-favorite-felines#10
https://www.purina.com/cats/cat-breeds/collections/most-popular-cat-breeds
http://www.catster.com/cat-breeds/most-popular-cat-breeds

 

 

But...but... Kavats' face aren't furry like persian faces (they're not chubby and fat too). This would be very good looking if Kavats were fatter, had short neck, and thick fur. And the ears are...well, why are they folded?

 

[--GOOLOO_GOOLOO_GOOLOO--]

Awww he's so cuuute

[Neptlude]

19 minutes ago, Jangkrik said:

 

 

So cute c(' _' c )

[(PSN)ArnnFrost]

Are you guys telling me that the Kavats I'd get when SoTR hits consoles.... all would have this face? My Umbreon Warframe pet dream is ruined T.T

[War-Zone]

5 hours ago, (PS4)ArnnFrost said:

Are you guys telling me that the Kavats I'd get when SoTR hits consoles.... all would have this face? My Umbreon Warframe pet dream is ruined T.T

Hopefully you won't wind up with one that looks like these but judging from what many have said, it seems most wind up with the cat-dog face when breeding for the first time. Maybe you'll be more fortunate. 

[DeFragMe]

2 minutes ago, War-Zone said:

Hopefully you won't wind up with one that looks like these but judging from what many have said, it seems most wind up with the cat-dog face when breeding for the first time. Maybe you'll be more fortunate. 

i, i was lucky. the first two kavats i made, both looked good. Normale face with big ears and Dread arrow tips. Most funny that the first was a smetha and the second the other one.

[War-Zone]

2 hours ago, DeFragMe said:

i, i was lucky. the first two kavats i made, both looked good. Normale face with big ears and Dread arrow tips. Most funny that the first was a smetha and the second the other one.

yes, you were quite fortunate. 

[DiePainPain]

14 hours ago, Jangkrik said:

But...but... Kavats' face aren't furry like persian faces (they're not chubby and fat too). This would be very good looking if Kavats were fatter, had short neck, and thick fur. And the ears are...well, why are they folded?

 

Cats look like this were killed and thrown off building in my neighbourhood

[MagPrime]

49 minutes ago, DiePainPain said:

Cats look like this were killed and thrown off building in my neighbourhood

That's horrific.

[Unus]

Honestly, I don't see the problem with the mutton-choppers as long as they do their assigned roles and I can giggle stupidly as my Warframe pets it and I torture my own cat with endless "dancing". Of course, I'm also the mook that just copies enemy color schemes onto my weapons and Warframes and finds aesthetic armor insane to purchase when there are so many slots to acquire, so, mayhaps I am not the target audience here.

[War-Zone]

19 hours ago, (PS4)ArnnFrost said:

Are you guys telling me that the Kavats I'd get when SoTR hits consoles.... all would have this face? My Umbreon Warframe pet dream is ruined T.T

I got a decent one on my second try, so there might be hope for ya'

[(PSN)ArnnFrost]

6 hours ago, War-Zone said:

I got a decent one on my second try, so there might be hope for ya'

oh... phew that's good to hear- *three weeks later* "WHY THE F*** IS HE BALD!?"

[-AoN-CanoLathra-]

On 7/27/2016 at 10:40 AM, [DE]Rebecca said:

A couple of broad things here to be addressed:

1) Art feedback is completely valid and will be passed along to the team for sure!
2) Art conspiracy is not valid. Art imitates life, and it's worth mentioning the Kavats draw reference from real felines. This particular face... well, it's from the undisputed most popular cat breed in the world: the Persian. The Persian has 'held the number one spot since the CFA started recording breed popularity in 1871.'

Sources:
http://cats.petbreeds.com/stories/1598/americas-favorite-felines#10
https://www.purina.com/cats/cat-breeds/collections/most-popular-cat-breeds
http://www.catster.com/cat-breeds/most-popular-cat-breeds

 

 

From Wikipedia:

The selective breeding carried out by breeders has allowed the development of a wide variety of coat colors, but has also led to the creation of increasingly flat-faced Persians. Favored by fanciers, this head structure can bring with it a number of health problems. As is the case with the Siamese breed, there have been efforts by some breeders to preserve the older type of cat, the traditional breed, having a more pronounced muzzle, which is more popular with the general public.

 

So yes, please explain why the current design is based off of "the undisputed most popular breed in the world."

Also, for extra realism, will those with this face have to apply genetic stabilizers twice as often due to the myriad of health problems associated with this facial structure?

 

Sorry if I sound salty, but I have several clanmates who have farmed or bought dozens of DNA samples and gotten this facial type EVERY TIME. I know RNG means that you can get the same result repeatedly, but maybe you should at least look into the algorithm behind the RNG to see if certain accounts could be 'locked in' to certain results.