kayugee Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 there is zaw rivens, mele rivens, kitgun rivens etc why no sniper specific rivens ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnossosTNC Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) What do you mean? They're just lumped in with rifle rivens. I have one for the Vectis. Crit chance and damage. Got it on the first roll. *blows kisses at it* Some day, I will have a Vectis Prime to use you... Edited February 10, 2019 by KnossosTNC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)FriendSharkey Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) Categorized under rifles...Like the player above I have a Vectis Riven...they are in there... Edited February 10, 2019 by (PS4)FriendSharkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)haphazardlynamed Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Yes we know they're currently grouped in with Rifle rivens. I think OP is asking, Why not separate them into their own category? kitguns are a subclass of pistol, yet they get separated zaws are a subclass of melee, yet they get separated snipers are a subclass of rifle, following that logic shouldn't they get separated too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayugee Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) Spoiler Quote think OP is asking, Why not separate them into their own category? kitguns are a subclass of pistol, yet they get separated zaws are a subclass of melee, yet they get separated snipers are a subclass of rifle, following that logic shouldn't they get separated too? this, bow rivens would be nice too 😄 Edited February 10, 2019 by kayugee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)haphazardlynamed Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Personally, I would prefer fewer categories than we have today. rifle, shotgun -> combine into 'primary riven' kitgun, pistol -> combine into 'secondary riven' zaw, melee -> combine into 'melee riven' ie, I would like to see the distinctions for shotgun, kitgun, zaw, removed. All they do is inflate the value of those 'rare' veiled types. Lump them all together with the more 'common' veiled types, for less market exploitation and more accessible rivens for everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteMarker Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, (PS4)haphazardlynamed said: kitguns are a subclass of pistol, yet they get separated zaws are a subclass of melee, yet they get separated snipers are a subclass of rifle, following that logic shouldn't they get separated too? This is only half true. If you get Riven Mods from Sorties, there are only 4 groups. (Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun, Melee) Sure, Zaws are a subclass of melee, but if you get a Zaw Riven from a Sortie, it will just say Melee Riven. Only if DE hands out Rivens for a specific type of weapon, it will be labeled as "Zaw" or "Kitgun". So not having Sniper Rivens is totally fine. DE could generate Sniper Rivens if they wanted. But what you wrote isn't a reason that we should get sniper rivens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)OriginalEquinox Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 We don't need more riven classes just so getting Lanka or Rubico Rivens would become easier, I understand the zaw Rivens but the kitgun rivens were completely unnecessary, there are like 4 of them at the moment so why get their own riven mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnossosTNC Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, (PS4)haphazardlynamed said: Yes we know they're currently grouped in with Rifle rivens. I think OP is asking, Why not separate them into their own category? kitguns are a subclass of pistol, yet they get separated zaws are a subclass of melee, yet they get separated snipers are a subclass of rifle, following that logic shouldn't they get separated too? 22 minutes ago, kayugee said: Reveal hidden contents this, bow rivens would be nice too 😄 So, it's about names? I think if you review your posts, you will find one possible answer: Zaws and Kitguns are modular subclasses of Melee and Secondary, sniper rifles are not. Then why are Shotguns their own class? Simple: because they use an entirely different set of mods, while rifles, bows and sniper rifles share mostly the same mods. Either way, if it's just about naming, I don't really see much point in a separate Sniper riven class. Edited February 10, 2019 by KnossosTNC 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)haphazardlynamed Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, (PS4)Equinox21697 said: there are like 4 of them at the moment so why get their own riven mod? to drive their prices sky high and dash any hope of "maybe this veiled pistol I just got will turn into a catchmoon" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesix6 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) This would be good improvement to the rivens. It would minimize the RNG so I don't have to get an artax riven Edited February 10, 2019 by Genesix6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AiLuoLi- Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) I wish there's a Trash Riven so i can dissolve/transmute/sell them without wasting time to unveil them and getting Kraken Mantitis. Edited February 10, 2019 by -AiLuoLi- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekroArts Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Most likely they did it to let the players know that the veil mod that they have is for that category. Before this was implemented, after I unveiled a riven I always look in the codex/market for their stats; however, that's not possible with a zaw/kitgun riven. So the times I did get a riven for zaw/kitgun, I had no idea it was for them until I realized I couldn't search them up like I could with the other weapons. In Hotfix 24.2.6, the note reads Quote Updated Riven Mods to have proper names for Zaw and Kitguns, instead of using Melee and Pistol in names. So they gave them proper names but I don't think they made a new branch of riven type. Bear with me on this, what you think is along the lines of Rifle, Shotgun, Pistol, Melee, Zaw, and Kitgun What i believe is really going on is Rifle, Shotgun, Pistol (Kitgun included), and Melee (Zaw included) Reasons why I believe this is before that update, I had times where I got a Zaw/Kitgun rivens from veiled Melee/Pistol rivens, respectfully. So by coding they are still melee and pistol mod just given proper name. The other reason is that on login day 1150, you get a choice of 1 of 3 riven caches: 3 rivens for rifles, 3 for pistols, or 3 for melee. Here's the kicker - (I don't specifically remember) either pistol or melee cache had a kitgun or zaw riven included, respectfully. OriginalWickedfun even has the login reward recorded, you'll see a Zaw Riven is under Melee Riven Cache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypernaut1 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 hours ago, KnossosTNC said: What do you mean? They're just lumped in with rifle rivens. I have one for the Vectis. Crit chance and damage. Got it on the first roll. *blows kisses at it* Some day, I will have a Vectis Prime to use you... cant you still get a free vectis P from twitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnossosTNC Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hypernaut1 said: cant you still get a free vectis P from twitch? Just checked. Yup. However, I don't have a Twitch account, nor do I have any intention of making one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Ashagin Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 What I want to know is are zaw rivens now labeled zaw riven?. Cause kitguns are and they both relate each to there own open area, with there own farming requirements related to those zones. Where as snipers like most weapons require resources farmed from the solar system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Ashagin Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 6 hours ago, KnossosTNC said: Just checked. Yup. However, I don't have a Twitch account, nor do I have any intention of making one. I will not be taking advantage of prime with prime also. I always thought it a bit shady how a free to play game would require you to make a subscription to another service to get free things from a ftp game. Good for people who have it already though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvisCaedo Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) Zaw and kitgun rivens are separate because they are likely programmed entirely differently, since modular gear is programmed in an incredibly stupid way in general. Here's some actual history on it: When Zaws were first added to the game, people started getting "melee riven mods" that for some reason they could not actually equip on any melee weapon. This is because, despite the item display name faking otherwise, zaw rivens were already programmed as a separate category. DE had to patch it to let you equip the secretly-zaw rivens on regular melee weapons to unveil them. What's really funny is that they then made the exact same mistake with kitgun rivens not being equppable on secondaries a year later! The entire time that they existed before the names were finally given honesty, you could even look at the official drop tables and see that sorties had two separate listings for "melee riven mod", and for a shorter period of time also two listings of "pistol riven mods". Point is they have ALWAYS been a separate category and it's probably because the zaws were so bizarrely programmed that they needed to be in a separate pool. EDIT: As an addendum, I believe it's been tested a few times, and veiled riven mods do not actually have their specific weapon rolled until you DO unveil them, since people will sometimes stockpile veiled types of a category to try and get one for a new weapon as soon as it comes out. though of course, it did not work for zaws or kitguns since they ended up having entirely new riven categories. Edited February 10, 2019 by OvisCaedo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thowed Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 8 hours ago, -AiLuoLi- said: I wish there's a Trash Riven so i can dissolve/transmute/sell them without wasting time to unveil them and getting Kraken Mantitis. Post of the year so far. I laughed harder than I should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 8 hours ago, NekroArts said: Most likely they did it to let the players know that the veil mod that they have is for that category. Before this was implemented, after I unveiled a riven I always look in the codex/market for their stats; however, that's not possible with a zaw/kitgun riven. So the times I did get a riven for zaw/kitgun, I had no idea it was for them until I realized I couldn't search them up like I could with the other weapons. In Hotfix 24.2.6, the note reads So they gave them proper names but I don't think they made a new branch of riven type. Bear with me on this, what you think is along the lines of Rifle, Shotgun, Pistol, Melee, Zaw, and Kitgun What i believe is really going on is Rifle, Shotgun, Pistol (Kitgun included), and Melee (Zaw included) Reasons why I believe this is before that update, I had times where I got a Zaw/Kitgun rivens from veiled Melee/Pistol rivens, respectfully. So by coding they are still melee and pistol mod just given proper name. The other reason is that on login day 1150, you get a choice of 1 of 3 riven caches: 3 rivens for rifles, 3 for pistols, or 3 for melee. Here's the kicker - (I don't specifically remember) either pistol or melee cache had a kitgun or zaw riven included, respectfully. OriginalWickedfun even has the login reward recorded, you'll see a Zaw Riven is under Melee Riven Cache. I wanted that packet of melee of riven including that zaw riven. Welp I guess I have to do 1150 days....this is going to stink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimAtrament Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 10 hours ago, (PS4)Equinox21697 said: We don't need more riven classes just so getting Lanka or Rubico Rivens would become easier, I understand the zaw Rivens but the kitgun rivens were completely unnecessary, there are like 4 of them at the moment so why get their own riven mod? because we are getting more kitgun types in the near future including primary kitguns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureTerra Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 11 hours ago, (PS4)Equinox21697 said: We don't need more riven classes just so getting Lanka or Rubico Rivens would become easier, I understand the zaw Rivens but the kitgun rivens were completely unnecessary, there are like 4 of them at the moment so why get their own riven mod? The potential is there to add more much like there were more zaws added. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Oussii Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 14 hours ago, kayugee said: there is zaw rivens, mele rivens, kitgun rivens etc why no sniper specific rivens ? says who? I have riven for rubico, snipetron and vulkar Maybe you are just unlucky to get one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayugee Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 whats to stop DE adding more snipers in the future?, it would be nice to dissolve 4 undesirable sniper rivens and have a chance at getting another sniper, instead of getting a torrid riven for the 100th time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiltskillet Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) On 2019-02-10 at 7:11 AM, WhiteMarker said: On 2019-02-10 at 7:01 AM, (PS4)haphazardlynamed said: kitguns are a subclass of pistol, yet they get separated zaws are a subclass of melee, yet they get separated snipers are a subclass of rifle, following that logic shouldn't they get separated too? This is only half true. If you get Riven Mods from Sorties, there are only 4 groups. (Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun, Melee) Sure, Zaws are a subclass of melee, but if you get a Zaw Riven from a Sortie, it will just say Melee Riven. This is only half true. If you get Riven Mods from Sorties, there are only 4 groups. (Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun, Melee) Sure, Zaws are a subclass of melee, but if you get a Zaw Riven from a Sortie, it will just say Melee Riven. Only if DE hands out Rivens for a specific type of weapon, it will be labeled as "Zaw" or "Kitgun". I've gotten sortie veiled riven rewards labeled "kitgun". Maybe it's possible to unveil secondary Rivens that turn out to be kitguns, but I haven't personally seen it. I haven't seen veiled zaw sortie rewards, although FWIW the wiki lists them the same way it does melee, rifle, pistol, kitgun, and shotgun. Edited February 11, 2019 by Tiltskillet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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