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7 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

But one built for damage might still give you a very different gameplay than the one you built for speed? 

Let's face it. Every time you add forma to something you didn't get more mastery minus a tiny number of examples. But most of us have multiple forma builds.... that we got no mastery for. 

Is that really so different? 

It might, however, because I already had to build one for each strike for MR, I already have all of those potentials covered with just a slightly different graphic, for example two polearm zaws, one built for crit, other built status, even though different strikes, pretty much covers it.

And I have no idea what you're trying to say with forma, forma make a single weapon stronger, by allowing a stronger build, is that really so different? Yes, it's apples and oranges and I have no idea what you're trying to say with it at all.

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5 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

But one built for damage might still give you a very different gameplay than the one you built for speed? 

Let's face it. Every time you add forma to something you didn't get more mastery minus a tiny number of examples. But most of us have multiple forma builds.... that we got no mastery for. 

Is that really so different? 

Do we need "different gameplay" in actually? yes i do forma S#&$ty weapons, but that's because I wanted to try that weapon, not because "there is a different gameplay" or anything.

We shouldn't have to do something that we don't want just because we don't want to miss the rewards, and it was how warframe worked till yesterday. (almost all things were tradable iirc, except some event thingy, and seems like those event thingy is intended to be not important for most of people as possible)

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This is a long thread at this point, has the idea already been suggested to, instead of just weekly/daily challenges, we had a combination of themed weekly/daily alerts and daily challenges that rewarded standing? Instead of say... 3 spy missions for a weekly, there are a number of spy alerts to do throughout the week, or all of them at once. 

I'm sure it's already been thought of and mentioned. In any case, I look forward to seeing how the next nightwave is, because as it is, throughout this nightwave I have not had the time or desire to use what time I have to get past rank 9.

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2 hours ago, Arc5in said:

Pretty subjective. Some players only have a few forma and no weapons worth wasting it on. This is one of the worst challenges for low MR players. Use 3 forma, to win 3 forma... Okay let me just polarize my mk1-Braton with all my forma... I'm MR10 and I only had 6 forma when these came up, granted I got a couple BPs from relics but not piles of them, because there is other stuff I need out of relics too, and I'm certainly not going to throw away a rare reward for a forma BP when that is the choice. I skipped these and I still reached 30, but I was not certain of that for the first forma challenge, it was a gamble. The second one, I knew I could skip, because I was close to 30 already. Being locked out of numerous tasks early on, left many lower MR players unsure if they could get away with skipping anything. You can say, you don't have to do the task, you only need 60%... Yet many lower level players were far from sure that could afford to skip these tasks because we were locked out of numerous tasks already.

Yeah it's supposed to be subjective, and I pointed out clearly that it's "to me". That's the point of opinions. However I'll remind that the tier rewards included 6 forma. That's a 100% return on investment, before we start to count the other stuff. 

Also yeah that the thing about forma. But since it's common in many relics if all that dropped was crap, grabbing a forma isn't a bad idea. Also grabbing the prime junk and selling for a minimum of 2 plat per item, you're looking at maybe selling 18 pieces to buy a 3 forma bundle premade. 

Also a well polarised Mk-1 Braton is nothing to scoff at. Just saying. 

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Again, such a subjective response. You can make light of gilding something, while for myself and many others, it is not even possible within the time frame, period. These standing gated tasks put much pressure on us lower tier players to do every single task that we were possibly capable of doing, and left us still unsure if we could reach 30, because we had no idea how much we would be locked out of over the next few weeks.

Again yes, opinions on either side are going to be subjective. 

And again 43k standing per week. You can miss an average of 13k and get to 300k in 10 weeks. If you count the first partial week as 11 the way DE seems to be doing, you can complete with no elite weekly tasks done at all with room to spare. If you find yourself locked out of a significant portion, then the question is not "can I get all of the rewards handed to me" but "what rewards can I earn". 

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 And as long as you can do it, then it is fine I guess. Starting to notice a trend here. Subjectivity. See the last two responses. Some players can not do sorties, period. Locked out of tasks and wondering how far they may be able to get in this. I can do sorties, but I can totally see how some players must have felt as this started. In the very first week, many players were locked out of several tasks, so they may have thought they can't possibly reach 30, but maybe they can get a few slots or a potato. So they may not have tried too hard, and missed a couple tasks they could have done, then as weeks go by, they realize they just might be able to reach 30, if they do every single thing they can do.

Yeah, if a filthy casual player like me can get it done, then I figure that's a good benchmark. Because I'm not an "elite veteran with all the meta". Because I know that I skipped quite a few challenges. And that's fine. 

BTW is the trend you're noticing that 300k out of 430k means not being required to do all of the challenges in any given week? I do hope so. Some people just couldn't grasp that part for some reason. 

 

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Yeah, 8 bounties is not a problem, but it is not particularly fun. 5 would be okay, 3 would be better. 8 is just enough to make bounties feel really tedious and leave me feeling entirely sick of them.

That's subjective, what about people running agoraphobic toasters? 

Oh right, they can skip it. 

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Nice that you're willing to share your bait. While it is generally not too tough to find a higher level player to help run a mission or two, especially if the noob can keep up while they rush. Not too many of them are keen on helping random noobs go fishing, and they shouldn't need to either. Heck, fishing and mining should be entirely optional in this game, I want to play warframe not a minecraft clone or fishing sim. It took me many hours over several days to find someone to share their bait with me.

Did you try asking in recruiting chat? 

Honest question. Lots of people seemed kind of surprised when people joined their party and had already completed the challenge. Fact is, if you can help me to find a hotspot, that makes it so much easier for us to fish. And we can take turns wiping out any enemies who are dumb enough to disturb us while we're trying to catch stuff. 

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I don't want to play minecraft. If some people enjoy these aspects of this game, good for them, awesome, but these mining and fishing activities should not be forced on us. Yes I know no one had guns to our heads but for us lower tier players, who were locked out of numerous tasks, we felt like we could not afford to skip these tasks whether we wanted to or not. Not if we wanted to 'attempt' to reach 30 because that was not a certainty for us when we were being locked out of tasks.

You clearly have not spent much time mining in warframe after fortuna if you are trying to compare that to Minecraft. 

 

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Nightmare missions are fine.

Again that's "subjective" I think I see a trends here, if you are ok with it, then you say that it's okay. See how ridiculous it sounds? Of course our opinions are subjective. And of course people will have different opinions. There are probably newbs who don't have any gear that can trivialize the nightmare conditions. But they are not going to be negatively affected by not reaching the uppermost tiers. 

 

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No problem with these.

I'm glad. Others were grousing about them. 

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Arbitrary nonsense and completely unnecessary.

That's gonna apply to every single challenge. There's no reason to not have it. 

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Grove specters, orb mothers, profit takers, and everything else locked behind standing walls. This wouldn't be such an issue, if there was better communication regarding number of weeks and amount of possible standing remaining, etc. Yes I know some of us knew approximately how long the event would run, and some new approximately what percent of tasks needed to be done each week to reach 30, but many players don't follow forum announcements and watch devstreams, these things need to be communicated in the event interface itself.

Yeah those spectres were fun. I think that I popped about 5 or 6 apothics with different groups. I have to go get more plants, but some of the mods are worth farming. 

The only thing that we need to know is "10 weeks" . After that it's very simple math 30 x 10k < 10 x 43k 

Anyone claiming that they couldn't figure out if they were going to be able to skip some challenges every week and still get to 300k probably has much bigger issues than nightwave. And really this is warframe, we all know about the wiki by the end of the first couple of days whether we like it or not. 

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The other big problem is weeks long consistent commitment. Some of us must travel on business regularly, I was just extremely lucky that I didn't have any longer trips in this period but most months I do, which basically just cuts me right out of the replacement for alerts going forward. If I miss 5 weeks, I miss most of what I might have gotten from alerts. With alerts if I miss 5 weeks, it is no problem, I missed some alerts, but they will roll back around. Nightwave may roll back around too, but If I can't be available for a couple months, I'll just miss out again, whereas with alerts, when they roll back around, I only need to be available for 20 minutes.

And that complaint literally boils down to "well what if I can't participate in the event at all" and the response to that is "then you can't participate in the event". And that's fine. 

Life is more important than a video game, mate. If it means that you just can't play, that's okay. We'll be here and all of this will come around again at some point. You don't need to let irrational fears of missing out, control you. 

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14 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

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"They can skip it" is obviously stupid thing to say, you can't skip ALL of it, you have to do it someday since you have to do 60% of challenges.

Honestly point for mining challenge is that there is no reason to do mining/fishing when we have thumper and exploiter, this is yet another waste of time challenge, even the apothic one/nightmare one had proper byproduct.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Life is more important than a video game, mate. If it means that you just can't play, that's okay. We'll be here and all of this will come around again at some point. You don't need to let irrational fears of missing out, control you. 

What are you on about? Obviously whatever he has planned is more important than the video game, which is why he's talking about why he might miss out on something he doesn't want to miss out on.... Who are you to tell him what it's okay for him to miss out on or not, and why in the world would any desire not to miss out be irrational, your whole statement here is the height of irrationality. You have no way of knowing what and when things will come around again, and why in the world are you talking about control?

This is a forum, for a video game we all like, this is a place for us to talk about what would be convenient for us and to lobby for change for things we think would suit us or the majority, that's what he's doing, you're welcome to explain why the change he wants would be inconvenient for yourself or others, but trying to tell him that "it's fine if he misses it" is just downright ridiculous unfounded condescension.

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2 hours ago, Sylonus said:

It might, however, because I already had to build one for each strike for MR, I already have all of those potentials covered with just a slightly different graphic, for example two polearm zaws, one built for crit, other built status, even though different strikes, pretty much covers it.

And I have no idea what you're trying to say with forma, forma make a single weapon stronger, by allowing a stronger build, is that really so different? Yes, it's apples and oranges and I have no idea what you're trying to say with it at all.

Well yeah it's pretty different after forma, because quite often that rapidly begins to locks us into a particular style of build. To minmax means literally locking yourself into one set of mods. What you did was minmax your zaws. Other possibilities exist, it's just that you don't really feel like checking out because you don't think that they're worth it. And that's fine. But it remains a choice that you've made. 

 

2 hours ago, Test-995 said:

Do we need "different gameplay" in actually? yes i do forma S#&amp;&#036;ty weapons, but that's because I wanted to try that weapon, not because "there is a different gameplay" or anything.

We shouldn't have to do something that we don't want just because we don't want to miss the rewards, and it was how warframe worked till yesterday. (almost all things were tradable iirc, except some event thingy, and seems like those event thingy is intended to be not important for most of people as possible)

This is ironic because you're the guy who admits that ESO is about the only thing that you don't find tedious. If you don't like the majority of the game, then almost any reward for playing will feel the same, unless they specifically tailor the content to just you. 

BTW, you aren't being forced to get any of the rewards, but if you want them, then yeah you can take a shot at the challenges. That's how most things in life and warframe work. 

15 minutes ago, Test-995 said:

"They can skip it" is obviously stupid thing to say, you can't skip ALL of it, you have to do it someday since you have to do 60% of challenges.

Honestly point for mining challenge is that there is no reason to do mining/fishing when we have thumper and exploiter, this is yet another waste of time challenge, even the apothic one/nightmare one had proper byproduct.

You overlooked something. We don't all have thumper hunting. And no, you don't have to do 65%. You only have to do that if you want all of the rewards. At the start of the event I praised a vet who openly stated that they were just going to skip the whole thing because it didn't interest them. 

You want a reward, but you don't want to do the things required to earn a reward. That's not a good plan. 

11 minutes ago, Sylonus said:

What are you on about? Obviously whatever he has planned is more important than the video game, which is why he's talking about why he might miss out on something he doesn't want to miss out on.... Who are you to tell him what it's okay for him to miss out on or not, and why in the world would any desire not to miss out be irrational, your whole statement here is the height of irrationality. You have no way of knowing what and when things will come around again, and why in the world are you talking about control?

This is a forum, for a video game we all like, this is a place for us to talk about what would be convenient for us and to lobby for change for things we think would suit us or the majority, that's what he's doing, you're welcome to explain why the change he wants would be inconvenient for yourself or others, but trying to tell him that "it's fine if he misses it" is just downright ridiculous unfounded condescension.

Well mate, that's the thing about life, we have unlimited wants and needs but limited resources to satisfy them. Sooner or later something always gets left out. For people who can't play the game, that's the end of the story. If I can't make it to the marathon next week, have to miss half, do you still think that I should demand a medal for completing it? That's ridiculous. The only thing more ridiculous would be to demand that everyone else agree to ask for a change in the rules of the marathon, to award people who only do half of it with the award. And that's what you just tried to do. 

And yes, I accept 100% the fact that I am going to miss out on events in the game. It's happened to me more than once. It's ok, because it's a video game, and in this video game, everything seems to eventually come back around, eventually. 

And to answer your question, I'm the person who's not getting worked up by someone saying that this is a game, and skipping stuff or not completing everything isn't the end of the world. You should try it. 

 

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For the record I'd also like to throw out this little gem, why in gods name did they not just state the DATES the event would start & end? instead everyone has this nebulous weeks time frame? end on a sunday at 9am pacific? In 3 weeks, or a friday just before the weekend to get people fired up & ready to go for the next one? (what few may be willing too after this dose)

 

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9 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Well mate, that's the thing about life, we have unlimited wants and needs but limited resources to satisfy them. Sooner or later something always gets left out. For people who can't play the game, that's the end of the story. If I can't make it to the marathon next week, have to miss half, do you still think that I should demand a medal for completing it? That's ridiculous. The only thing more ridiculous would be to demand that everyone else agree to ask for a change in the rules of the marathon, to award people who only do half of it with the award. And that's what you just tried to do. 

And yes, I accept 100% the fact that I am going to miss out on events in the game. It's happened to me more than once. It's ok, because it's a video game, and in this video game, everything seems to eventually come back around, eventually. 

And to answer your question, I'm the person who's not getting worked up by someone saying that this is a game, and skipping stuff or not completing everything isn't the end of the world. You should try it. 

The vast majority of this is completely silly and irrelevant, if you want to compare this to a marathon, this is like the people running the marathon having a meeting to see if they should reschedule the time of the marathon or adjust it's length due to a number of potential participants having scheduling conflicts, and you showing up to the meeting telling everyone they're wrong for wishing it could be rescheduled to meet the desires of the many.

By your post length and those of others compared to yours, you telling other people not to get worked up over things is pretty humorous, this is mostly just you ranting and everyone else telling you why your rants are silly.

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1 minute ago, Sylonus said:

The vast majority of this is completely silly and irrelevant, if you want to compare this to a marathon, this is like the people running the marathon having a meeting to see if they should reschedule the time of the marathon or adjust it's length due to a number of potential participants having scheduling conflicts, and you showing up to the meeting telling everyone they're wrong for wishing it could be rescheduled to meet the desires of the many.

By your post length and those of others compared to yours, you telling other people not to get worked up over things is pretty humorous, this is mostly just you ranting and everyone else telling you why your rants are silly.

No, sorry, a highly vocal minority whining ≠ the majority having an issue. 

True story, there have been groups of people who demanded to know why the date of the marathon couldn't be changed because of their scheduling conflicts in the past. Most of the people who weren't in those groups generally realised that those people were being ridiculous, and some proceeded to ridicule them openly. 

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10 minutes ago, (NSW)Hatemachine said:

For the record I'd also like to throw out this little gem, why in gods name did they not just state the DATES the event would start & end? instead everyone has this nebulous weeks time frame? end on a sunday at 9am pacific? In 3 weeks, or a friday just before the weekend to get people fired up & ready to go for the next one? (what few may be willing too after this dose)

Fairly obviously because if everyone would know when it ends, everybody can easily calculate if it still makes sense for them to do the chores, and if not - just abandon it completely. Which covers everyone just joining in on chorenightwave in the last 4/5 weeks. Apparently they don't want that.

A few hours ago they posted a forum thread that this season will go to at least may 15th. No in-game announcement though and it's not even a pinned thread, so not many people will see it.

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I have a random suggestion and I have no idea if this was suggested before:

 

Why not allow selection of different challenge pools based on play style that allow players to preview challenges for that week and select the "play style" that appeals most to them.

There can be a beginner set, a moderate set, and an endurance set or however you want. For example:

1 Hour Kuva survival can be in the endurance set.

Complete X nightmare missions can be in the moderate set.

Complete X number of Y mission type can be in the beginner set.

 

That way veterans don't have to deal with the tedium of backtracking through content at little-to-no benefit and other players don't have to deal with the effort that go into endurance runs. This can further be split for solo or social players if that's possible/viable. Daily challenges can stay the same since they aren't really a big deal for any groups.

I think this would be a great step for QOL and end the need for people to feel like it's a chore because they can do stuff that is productive for them at whatever point in time they are in the game.

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50 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

You overlooked something. We don't all have thumper hunting. And no, you don't have to do 65%. You only have to do that if you want all of the rewards. At the start of the event I praised a vet who openly stated that they were just going to skip the whole thing because it didn't interest them. 

You want a reward, but you don't want to do the things required to earn a reward. That's not a good plan. 

Well, i want a reward thus i'll do it, but i don't think it as a fun thing, and i thought someone else wouldn't think it as a fun thing as well, so i suggest to change it.

It can be more fun, at least in my opinion.

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14 minutes ago, Test-995 said:

Well, i want a reward thus i'll do it, but i don't think it as a fun thing, and i thought someone else wouldn't think it as a fun thing as well, so i suggest to change it.

It can be more fun, at least in my opinion.

Again, you're on the record as saying that you find everything but eso tedious. What you admitted to finding fun is a single highly limited part of the game. 

You notice that I didn't mention that you also said that eso is tedious just minutes prior. If we are generous and say that you were trying to suggest that we all find different things tedious, then pandering to any vocal minority is a patently bad idea. 

 

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5 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Again, you're on the record as saying that you find everything but eso tedious. What you admitted to finding fun is a single highly limited part of the game. 

You notice that I didn't mention that you also said that eso is tedious just minutes prior. If we are generous and say that you were trying to suggest that we all find different things tedious, then pandering to any vocal minority is a patently bad idea. 

 

Oh you want to start this stupid personal off-topic pointless worthless conversation AGAIN and in THIS PLACE?

"i only plays ESO" is obvious joke, and "everything is tedious" is the post i explained that everything can be tedious for someone of the somewhere.

Can you read the entire thread, or at least try to understand what i tried to say, and please do not try start this stupid off-topic just because you want to win the discussion through changing the point ffs.

I shouldn't have to explain everything i said for people like you, seriously.

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1 hour ago, Test-995 said:

Oh you want to start this stupid personal off-topic pointless worthless conversation AGAIN and in THIS PLACE?

"i only plays ESO" is obvious joke, and "everything is tedious" is the post i explained that everything can be tedious for someone of the somewhere.

Can you read the entire thread, or at least try to understand what i tried to say, and please do not try start this stupid off-topic just because you want to win the discussion through changing the point ffs.

I shouldn't have to explain everything i said for people like you, seriously.

Yeah, "it was just a joke" doesn't really jive with the explanation that you gave in that private message you sent me about loving ESO. 

 

And it was as a response about what you've said you enjoy and what you said others find tedious (also mentioned in the message you sent me), that shows that you already know that what everyone enjoys is not going to be the same. 

So how could it be off topic in lieu of your comment? 

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39 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Yeah, "it was just a joke" doesn't really jive with the explanation that you gave in that private message you sent me about loving ESO. 

 

And it was as a response about what you've said you enjoy and what you said others find tedious (also mentioned in the message you sent me), that shows that you already know that what everyone enjoys is not going to be the same. 

So how could it be off topic in lieu of your comment? 

Because no one cares about personal preference or minority/majority, it's the nightwave thread and things should be about nightwave, every opinion we make is just a personal opinion and can't be majority nor minority.

Oh yes "i love ESO" and "i only plays ESO" is totally same thing , i love ESO and that's not a joke, in that sentence actually you can replace ESO of that with every other things, like "i only plays X" or "X and Y" maybe "X and Y and Z", real point is that you will hit something you don't like unless you love literally everything in warframe, and that's the joke... well, maybe it's not the how joke works, sorry about that then.

And that's because every time i say something you don't agree with, you try to counter it with that "no you minority your opinion is worthless", it's completely irrelevant for what we are talking about and no point in saying that.

Edit; well, actually most of Feedback is personal preference i guess, but it's the personal preference about topic.

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Hm. I completed the daily challenge Biohazard in Elite Sanctuary Onslaught, but upon returning to my Orbiter it reset to incomplete. I completed it a second time and it seems fine now, but I thought I'd report the anomaly regardless.

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Whenever anyone tries to bring up the whole Minority/Majority thing, if they don't have numbers, they have no legs to stand on.

It's clear that more than a few people want to see change with Nightwave. (not just on these forums)
It's clear that it's not a perfect system. (and in practice, has failed to meet its stated objectives in replacing Alerts, even though it looked good on paper)
Claiming it's just a minority in these groups to dismiss potential change is counterproductive to improving the game.

However, it doesn't matter whether or not there is a majority on the side of an idea, if the idea for change is actually better for the game. ONE person could have a suggestion for change, and it could be good, even though they don't get the support of the majority of the community behind them to rally for said change. The whole community beside that one person may not have even given it a thought, or lived just fine without the change, not knowing how much better or fun the game could be WITH the change.

Good ideas are not always popular, because people don't always know what they want before they get it, or they may not see an issue from every angle, and from their angle, their limited point of view, their opinion, nothing needs to change.

I've seen this over and over and over in many game developer official forums, and people come in claiming to talk for the majority, or for the devs, and just fight tooth and nail against any change to what the game presents, as if the devs are unable to make mistakes, or players are always after their own self-interests, rather than having good ideas for the betterment of the game as a whole.

This thread was created by DE to get feedback and suggestions about the removal of Alerts and the introduction of Nightwave.

It is my hope that the DE community team members tasked with sifting through this thread can ignore the back-and-forth semantics, and pick out the gems of suggestions that I've seen. It's clearly wishful thinking to hope for a DE reply in this thread about which directions they're likely to go, or which ways completely go against their vision, to better direct suggestions, but I hope I've at least presented coherent points that get to the heart of improving Nightwave for a larger portion of the playerbase (a group Nightwave was declared to be designed to help, but for whom it has backfired.)

 

I'll leave it at that, no specifics, since I don't want to directly reply to anyone in this thread, and make the discussion personal - that has no place in a thread like this. All (almost, a paragraph or two were directed to a single person) of my feedback has been from me to the Devs, not directly a conversation with the other players speaking on behalf of the "majority" or "DE", or the "idea police." This is why some posters here are so infuriating to read, at least to me - I'd like so much to engage in the back-and-forth, but it has no place here, at least if we want DE to read the suggestions, and not pollute the thread with meaningless debate.

 

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11 hours ago, Test-995 said:

We shouldn't have to do something that we don't want just because we don't want to miss the rewards, and it was how warframe worked till yesterday

  • Conclave - Exclusive skins
  • Archwing - Razorback
  • Events - Exclusive event items
  • Alerts - Nitain
  • Relics - Prime items
  • Missions - Resources and mods
  • Scanning - Simaris standing
  • Etc

You telling me, that if someone doesn't want to do any of the above, he should not miss the rewards? Rewards for actions, regardless of individual player opinion, has been the very foundation of video games ever!

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43 minutes ago, Cephalycion said:
  • Conclave - Exclusive skins
  • Archwing - Razorback
  • Events - Exclusive event items
  • Alerts - Nitain
  • Relics - Prime items
  • Missions - Resources and mods
  • Scanning - Simaris standing
  • Etc

You telling me, that if someone doesn't want to do any of the above, he should not miss the rewards? Rewards for actions, regardless of individual player opinion, has been the very foundation of video games ever!

I can't say anything about conclave/nitains other than "skins are ok" and "alerts was bad too".

Prime items/mods are all tradable and you don't have to do those things, simaris standings is also something you can gain as long as doing whatever missions other than eso/arbi/OW thanks to other players who running simaris daily task, and if not all, bunch of rewards are tradable too.

Event exclusive items are not that bad because we know they will bring back those things later on, then we would be able to get it anytime we want, because most of those gonna be tradable.

I'll say yes indeed, he should not miss rewards.... but actually he won't miss rewards.

Then what is different for nightwave? umbral forma, that is untradable (maybe because of first time appearance) and we have no idea when or how they will come other than this nightwave, in the worst case you need 3 month for every 1 umbral forma, and this is consumable.

 

In my opinion warframe is good game because we don't have to do everything available in order to get things, there is almost always a option called trading.

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32 minutes ago, Test-995 said:

I can't say anything about conclave/nitains other than "skins are ok" and "alerts was bad too".

Prime items/mods are all tradable and you don't have to do those things, simaris standings is also something you can gain as long as doing whatever missions other than eso/arbi/OW thanks to other players who running simaris daily task, and if not all, bunch of rewards are tradable too.

Event exclusive items are not that bad because we know they will bring back those things later on, then we would be able to get it anytime we want, because most of those gonna be tradable.

I'll say yes indeed, he should not miss rewards.... but actually he won't miss rewards.

Then what is different for nightwave? umbral forma, that is untradable (maybe because of first time appearance) and we have no idea when or how they will come other than this nightwave, in the worst case you need 3 month for every 1 umbral forma, and this is consumable.

 

In my opinion warframe is good game because we don't have to do everything available in order to get things, there is almost always a option called trading.

So far the only things you have managed to tell me is, I don't like this so I won't do it, and I should get the rewards anyway, nothing to do with the community consensus as a whole. Why should the game cater to you only?

What if I don't like Assassination missions? Should I get Warframe blueprints anyway and basically piss on everyone else's efforts?

Whether you like it or not, Warframe is a game built on exclusivity. DE wants to make a way to appreciate certain players, and they should not be punished for it. There are many things that cannot be obtained by trade. Certain primed mods, Excal Prime, Zenistar, Azima, Zenith, Excal Umbra, every unprimed Warframe, and so on. They are the icons of effort and age in the game.

To everyone else, obtaining these rewards is a strict option. Warframe has no end goal, hence you need none of these to progress. You still have your Serration, your 8 forma Mesa Prime, your 100 Anasa Sculptures sitting in your orbiter.

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26 minutes ago, Cephalycion said:

So far the only things you have managed to tell me is, I don't like this so I won't do it, and I should get the rewards anyway, nothing to do with the community consensus as a whole. Why should the game cater to you only?

What if I don't like Assassination missions? Should I get Warframe blueprints anyway and basically piss on everyone else's efforts?

Whether you like it or not, Warframe is a game built on exclusivity. DE wants to make a way to appreciate certain players, and they should not be punished for it. There are many things that cannot be obtained by trade. Certain primed mods, Excal Prime, Zenistar, Azima, Zenith, Excal Umbra, every unprimed Warframe, and so on. They are the icons of effort and age in the game.

To everyone else, obtaining these rewards is a strict option. Warframe has no end goal, hence you need none of these to progress. You still have your Serration, your 8 forma Mesa Prime, your 100 Anasa Sculptures sitting in your orbiter.

Every unprimed warframe is untradable, just because they are on in-game market i guess.

And certain primed mods/zenistar/azima/zenith is all daily tribute, one of the few things that we can't buy, personally i don't like it but oh well.

Excal umbra is... well, dunno. at least you can get a excalibur that basically same as umbra, if they want to get it because of MR, that would mean they did some stupid grind like k-drives, so...

Anyways they might change it if people concerns enough about it, the chance is extremely low though, not because of exclusivity, but because of lore thing.

 

 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Test-995 said:

Every unprimed warframe is untradable, just because they are on in-game market i guess.

For clarification, was talking about the part blueprints as well.

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19 minutes ago, Cephalycion said:

For clarification, was talking about the part blueprints as well.

Well, that would be just because they can't sell frames on in-game market if they make those tradable, and frame's exclusivity is justified by money.

tbh i don't really care about that, because i don't have to do those, i don't know anything that uses warframe parts except ephemera and frames, and there is no time limit for that, if i can't get that today, i can get that tomorrow, or maybe next year...

And honestly none of those are ridiculous as nightwave is imo, that you have to do 65% of entire warframe content for 10 weeks (it sometime take your things away or take plat) to get a exclusive umbral forma, that is actually useful even if not needed.

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