youtube video claims it's for the majority of users but since I have no soapbox I can't refute it

[(PSN)ATreidezz]

I subbed some of these toobers for build inspirations, memes and glyph. But im starting to think to unsub, bcos of this kind of video, more and more toobers are doing this. And i feel DE'sturbed. 

Im the type of tenno who would enjoy the ride, wherever DE wanna take me, some bumpy rides along the way deserves some feedback, but if someone, just bcos he/she have a seat next to the driver, thinks that he/she can criticise the trip and tell the rest of us what route the driver should've taken... 

DUDE, stfu and enjoy the ride, its FREE... 

[SilvaDreams]

14 minutes ago, (PS4)ATreidezz said:

I subbed some of these toobers for build inspirations, memes and glyph. But im starting to think to unsub, bcos of this kind of video, more and more toobers are doing this. And i feel DE'sturbed. 

Im the type of tenno who would enjoy the ride, wherever DE wanna take me, some bumpy rides along the way deserves some feedback, but if someone, just bcos he/she have a seat next to the driver, thinks that he/she can criticise the trip and tell the rest of us what route the driver should've taken... 

DUDE, stfu and enjoy the ride, its FREE... 

Honestly that specific tuber I wrote off ages ago, he's just that type. Sadly there are a number of them that seem to develop a sense of entitlement just because they are a content creator.

 

[Nirrel]

5 hours ago, Zyga21 said:

ok so for starters I don't watch the guy and only saw it on my recommended tab in youtube. The reason why I'm making this post which will most likely be ignored is that; as some random player I have nowhere to shout as loud as this guy, and that makes me pretty angry because this guy claims he's speaking for all the players when he's not at all. So for a TLDR of this whole thing, It's not as bad as he makes it out to be, he doesn't speak for all of us, I have huge issues with what he says. Please don't take this guy's word as the whole community's.

So I'm going to go step by step in his video and nitpick everything I don't agree with.

• 0:08 He dismisses anyone who might happen to not agree with him as people who already made up their mind when that's not always the case but this will protect him later if anyone does try to say anything bad.
• 1:38 He can't log on for more than an hour a day before he wants to play something else. This happens with everyone it's called burnout, just go play something else for a while and come back. You can play anything too much and it will get dull.
• 4:40 "I'd rather play warframe solo because it's more optimized to do so" well for starters it really isn't for most content, you can do it easier and faster with more players no matter who you are. You are making the choice to shut yourself out from the most important part of the game; the community and interactions. Because of that, you're finding the game less interesting because you're playing e-prime 200 times a day by yourself.
• 5:50 "there is no reason to co-op in warframe outside of the main focus of the game" there's no reason to do anything if you hate yourself enough. Why play games when you can do something more efficient like learning something new? the answer is because it's fun or distracting you from other things. There's no point to earn plat in warframe when you don't even have to play it, so what's the point of playing?
• 6:00 he then goes on to say that he enjoyed playing the raids because he was playing with people and enjoyed the content, regardless of the rewards. lol.
• 7:15 he talks starts talking about how time is important and how you would only ever do the fastest missions when unlocking relics. Yes time is important to people but I know for me personally I like going into an endless fissure mission to like level a frame, it's better than grinding hydron, or if I have a nightwave to do a cache hunt I can go do it in a fissure. The important thing here is that you have the choice to do things, there are usually good relic missions up and if you need something else those are up too. Endless missions give you great rewards in boosters and more relics (almost as if this is going to come back in a future argument)
• 8:30 "Muh one key for 900 rewards" I really hate when people use this argument, yes your keys could last for as long as you wanted, but you also got far fewer keys and they had far fewer bonuses to them compared to relics we have now. Relics are by far much nicer in EVERY WAY. Sure you can't take one relic endlessly, but what you can do is use one of the 900 relics you do have or even buy some from other players if you ever run out (I don't know how that's possible since they keep rewarding you relics ALL THE TIME, you should NEVER run out as a long time player.)
• 13:00 "compare vauban prime vs equinox prime" It takes time to do this stuff, and they're busy with so much stuff. I'm more happy that with equinox prime we're also getting a lot of new things in the way of the gas city remaster/wisp/railjack soon:tm: than a hyped up trailer for a warframe that is a meme now because of how little players like him. Who cares about the promo material if the game isn't getting anything fun.
• 13:35 he starts listing things that "nobody" asked for implying they also don't want it. I can't tell you how hyped I am for railjack and how much I love the plains/fortuna for shaking up the warframe gameplay loop, piss off with your brushing these under the rug and pretending nobody likes or wants this content. YOU don't, YOU are not everyone. Side note archwing was a failure, but it was also an attempt and I can respect that. It seemed cool when it first came out, but then it just didn't really work out for most players.
• 14:50 calls forum threads for recent arbitration changes and how people are saying they'll never revive a player. There are A******s anywhere, if you don't want to play with other people then play solo. It's almost as if they're trying to give you an opportunity to interact with your teammates more in a game mode all about self-survival and killing things, Crazy.
• 15:50 "de doesn't listen to us" god I hope so
• 16:45 "what even is the point of playing this game anymore?"
  • "why should I get mr27" because it's a goal you can set for yourself to have every weapon so far mastered.
  • "why would I be excited for the next update if I finish it in a week" because you play it for that whole week and enjoy the game for the time you do play it. It shouldn't De's problem that you burn yourself out on it, but it is because people do.
  • "why would I grind for a new mod with useless stats" because they're not useless you're just locked into your thinking about how you want to play the game. Expand your horizons, amalgam serration is the best. Using an aura forma is the best, just because you're locked into one way of playing doesn't mean everyone else is.
  • "I like pushing out videos just to try to keep my audience and to make money" um well ok
  • "same could be said for warframe updates" no those are actually interesting, and breath more life into the product
• 18:20 "playing with my buddies is always worth it" 🙂 well I'm glad you're finally starting to understand that the community makes the game...
• 18:25 "if you don't have X you can't play with us because I'm being an elitist" noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, why would you do this to yourself, you shot yourself in the foot and are blaming DE

unlike this guy I'd love to have a 2-way discussion about anything that's bugging you about the game, maybe I just don't understand your side of it. I'd rather you explained something than just say nothing at all.

And yeah I do realize that there are many people bored with the game, I really hope that one of them can give me a good reason why the game is trash.

Lol, so you came on the forums to megawhine about a random you tube video that you deliberately clicked on? You make me sad.....

[Zyga21]

2 minutes ago, Nirrel said:

Lol, so you came on the forums to megawhine about a random you tube video that you deliberately clicked on? You make me sad.....

what a hot take

[-Temp0-]

4 часа назад, AugustFestival сказал:

can you clarify what you mean with 13:00 is he saying Vauban release was better because Vauban got a cinematic? thats kinda silly... 

And what part of it you dont understand?

Prime warframes several years ago used to be somewhat special and some (not all) prime trailers are effing freaking great, Saryn, Vauban and Mirage are one of those, marketing like that alone not only is able to sell more PAS but also gives you additions to lore. Thats pretty crazy.

But Valkyr prime trailer was literally the absolute best, hands down, not only evey single word said in it was relatable (and not something vague or unrelated to the game itself like Nekros' for example) and backed by lore but relevant for its time (pre-Sacrifice), staged and executed flawlessly AND showed some hints of new sthings coming like sentient technology and also what I alwasy found endearing, showed that sweet bullet jump and just sheer warframe power, unstoppable and uncontrollable. Showed that warframe is exactly what narrator just said and what we all know, a force to reckon with, not just another bland warrior-thing and  not another corpus soldier o a proxy.

You think cinematics mean nothing, I still keep watching Valkyp prime trailer and these two trailers

because since then, theres was nothing more interesting in cinematic departure. Sacrifice could have been even greater or at least just as good but as always, laziness and procrastination killed it and you got that abrupt rushed 4 month worth of development something of a quets. If all events came with trailers like Alad V that alone would worth playing, but alas. You now just sit there squatting in those dead wast open spaces aka open worlds no one asked for, instead, with no word on if you will ever get something to do until new war drops in 2021 as another 30-60 minutes quest.

[AugustFestival]

8 minutes ago, -Temp0- said:

And what part of it you dont understand?

Prime warframes several years ago used to be somewhat special and some (not all) prime trailers are effing freaking great, Saryn, Vauban and Mirage are one of those, marketing like that alone not only is able to sell more PAS but also gives you additions to lore. Thats pretty crazy.

But Valkyr prime trailer was literally the absolute best, hands down, not only evey single word said in it was relatable (and not something vague or unrelated to the game itself like Nekros' for example) and backed by lore but relevant for its time (pre-Sacrifice), staged and executed flawlessly AND showed some hints of new sthings coming like sentient technology and also what I alwasy found endearing, showed that sweet bullet jump and just sheer warframe power, unstoppable and uncontrollable. Showed that warframe is exactly what narrator just said and what we all know, a force to reckon with, not just another bland warrior-thing and  not another corpus soldier o a proxy.

You think cinematics mean nothing, I still keep watching Valkyp prime trailer and these two trailers

because since then, theres was nothing more interesting in cinematic departure. Sacrifice could have been even greater or at least just as good but as always, laziness and procrastination killed it and you got that abrupt rushed 4 month worth of development something of a quets. If all events came with trailers like Alad V that alone would worth playing, but alas. You now just sit there squatting in those dead wast open spaces aka open worlds no one asked for, instead, with no word on if you will ever get something to do until new war drops in 2021 as another 30-60 minutes quest.

can you chill out? I like cinematic's, why are you writing a long rant at me. Fortuna and cetus are amazing by the way.

Edited May 22, 2019 by AugustFestival

[Zyga21]

In game content > Really nice videos

 

as much as I love those things, it's nothing that anyone can play, it's just hype material.

[AugustFestival]

1 minute ago, Zyga21 said:

In game content > Really nice videos

 

as much as I love those things, it's nothing that anyone can play, it's just hype material.

yea I agree with you, I like the cinematics but im not upset if we dont get one, also I love fortuna and cetus 

[-Temp0-]

3 минуты назад, Zyga21 сказал:

In game content > Really nice videos

 

as much as I love those things, it's nothing that anyone can play, it's just hype material.

You get no content for approx 3 years now. A giant but absolutely dead freaking map is NOT "content". 2 of them in a row. What a joke.

Literlaly NOTHING new or exciting aside from Eidolons and actually, that Alad V was a trailer for its related operations. Which I already mentioned. Events used to be more than jsut kill a bucnh of ghouls cause reasons. But they dropped so low they cant even rerun old events, and new ones are literally nothing compared to them.

Edited May 22, 2019 by -Temp0-

[AugustFestival]

*highfives op*

Edited May 22, 2019 by AugustFestival

[AugustFestival]

 

1 hour ago, -Temp0- said:

You get no content for approx 3 years now. A giant but absolutely dead freaking map is NOT "content". 2 of them in a row. What a joke.

Literlaly NOTHING new or exciting aside from Eidolons and actually, that Alad V was a trailer for its related operations. Which I already mentioned. Events used to be more than jsut kill a bucnh of ghouls cause reasons. But they dropped so low they cant even rerun old events, and new ones are literally nothing compared to them.

I love cetus and fortuna as do many other people

[GentlePuppet]

6 minutes ago, -Temp0- said:

You get no content for approx 3 years now.

I guess POE Remaster, Buried Debts, Fortuna, Chimera, Mask of the Revenant, The Sacrifice, Beasts of the Sanctuary, Shrine of the Eidolon, Plains of Eidolon, Chains of Harrow, Octavia's Anthem, The Pacifism Defect, The Glast Gambit, and the War Within, Plus all the hotfixes in between, don't count as 3 years of content. Even though it's all free and you don't have to pay a single dime for it.

Edited May 22, 2019 by GentlePuppet

[OniDax]

6 hours ago, Highresist said:

It is some kind of "forum meta" to bash on Warframe youtubers?

Yes because the community takes great offense to criticism of Warframe and DE, and since a lot of YouTubers are complaining because they don't have sufficient content to talk about, they're criticizing DE. Thing is, those YouTubers don't really care about the state of the game. They only care that they have stuff to cover in their videos. A year ago, these YouTubers were still singing DE's praises. They were just like the people in this thread who think DE and Warframe are perfect. Now that they're losing views and subscribers, they want to criticize DE. It's because DE listened to them while they praised DE and didn't offer constructive feedback on how to improve the game that it's in the state it is in. When some of us were trying to get DE to improve the game, they were kissing up to DE so that they could get free items and access to DE. They were as loyal to DE as people are here. So, now that they've stopped being loyal to DE and only DE, the community now hates them.

Edited May 22, 2019 by A-p-o-l-l-y-o-n

[AugustFestival]

4 minutes ago, GentlePuppet said:

I guess POE Remaster, Buried Debts, Fortuna, Chimera, Mask of the Revenant, The Sacrifice, Beasts of the Sanctuary, Shrine of the Eidolon, Plains of Eidolon, Chains of Harrow, Octavia's Anthem, The Pacifism Defect, The Glast Gambit, and the War Within, Plus all the hotfixes in between, don't count as 3 years of content. Even though it's all free and you don't have to pay a single dime for it.

it only counts as content if he likes it apparently, fortuna and cetus are "dead wast" 
personally i LOVE all those things, especially animal rescue!

Edited May 22, 2019 by AugustFestival

[Arniox]

• 0:08 He dismisses anyone who might happen to not agree with him - that's not OK. 
• 1:38 He can't log on for more than an hour a day before he wants to play something else. - I agree with this. I personally just login and then out and go play something else. 
• 4:40 "I'd rather play warframe solo because it's more optimized to do so" - this is incorrect, however as a vet, the game is just boring and when you want to logout as soon as possible, more people become a bother. 
• 5:50 "there is no reason to co-op in warframe outside of the main focus of the game" - I agree with this. Besides the new Vallis bosses, what the point in playing with people? 
• 6:00 he then goes on to say that he enjoyed playing the raids - I enjoyed the raids because of the specific people that I played with. After they where removed, all those old friends literally stopped playing because the game got boring and catered to newbs too much. Even the new Vallis fights, whilst fun for a bit, get boring and are too easy. 
• 7:15 he talks starts talking about how time is important - it is. I often can't wait to logoff after the days grind and go play something more fun. 
• 8:30 "Muh one key for 900 rewards" - imo, I like the new reward systems, its just that since I own everything, I don't care about the new rewards unless there's enough of them to last me a whole. But even then sometimes I don't care. I haven't even finished little duck because I have to get repella systems which are locked behind a boring and repetitive bounty system. 
• 13:00 "compare vauban prime vs equinox prime" I think the hype and tension for Vauban prime was deffinately higher than equinox prime because of the trailer and I do think DE is slacking a bit with the trailers, however, the newest stuff does actually hype me. Railjack and so on look genuinely fun to play. 
• 13:35 he starts listing things that "nobody" - people like this don't know what they truly want in the game. So far I think alot of the content updates have been pretty cool and interesting so there's nothing I haven't wanted, but there are still things I do want to see. 
• 14:50 calls forum threads for recent arbitration changes and how people are saying they'll never revive a player. - this was a ligit issue. People EVERYWHERE where saying this. Personally arbitration are really boring and need more worthwhile rewards. 
• 15:50 "de doesn't listen to us" - there's a certain level of listening and not listening that a company should do. Obviously you don't want to listen to absolutely everyone, but they should listen to some genuine concerns and issues that a huge majority have with the game. Like for example, true vets don't have jack sh!t to do. There's literally nothing left to get or farm. 
• 16:45 "what even is the point of playing this game anymore?"
  • "why should I get mr27" I set that goal and then got bored. The hover boards and amps are boring to farm. 
  • "why would I be excited for the next update if I finish it in a week" I actually stretch it out and make it last months but I'm still board because it's just the same old same old. 
  • "why would I grind for a new mod with useless stats" What the point? It's bloody boring and the mod really isn't that useful unless you go for a super niche build but what's the point anymore.
  • "same could be said for warframe updates" each update deffinately ads more life each time. But it doesn't last long enough. Even for someone stretching it out. 
• 18:20 "playing with my buddies is always worth it" I do agree that chatting with my old clan mates and friends from warframe makes it worth it and fun to play, but I don't see them often. 
• 18:25 "if you don't have X you can't play with us because I'm being an elitist" no one really does that. If they do they are genuinely stupid. When I play public I don't give two S#&$s about who is playing what. They can have fun and do whatever for all I care. 

[AugustFestival]

2 minutes ago, Arniox said:

• 15:50 "de doesn't listen to us" - there's a certain level of listening and not listening that a company should do. Obviously you don't want to listen to absolutely everyone, but they should listen to some genuine concerns and issues that a huge majority have with the game. Like for example, true vets don't have jack sh!t to do. There's literally nothing left to get or farm. 

tbh if devs listen too much you just get tyranny of the perceived majority and its gross, it happens in games like league of legends where you get a vocal part of the community who hates a certain character and gets them nerfed into uselessness, you have to be VERY careful with this, otherwise you get more embers.

[Autongnosis]

Il y a 5 heures, Highresist a dit :

It is some kind of "forum meta" to bash on Warframe youtubers?

Partly, yeah. 

The other half of the issue is many of the biggest youtubers having a loud mouth and no brains. It doesn't help. 

Between frankly horrifying "game design advices" and people pretending to be endgame gurus when they barely understand mechanics, and the general doomsaying or whiteknighting attitude with no middle grounds, it's a S#&$fest. 

Tbh there's like 5 people i actually watch on youtube. AGGP has one perk alone, he's usually the fastest at reviewing new stuff so if i can't be there on release day at least i can see what it's about soon. Otherwise... Ehhh. Not really my thing, and not much of value being added there. 

Gaz from gaztv or something like that is a nice level headed dude working on improving himself, which is nice. Not breaking any records ye, but definitely a nice change of pace compared to the other screaming mongrels. 

Xzorn, who sadly is more active on forums than youtube nowadays, used to make really good stuff for endurance and generally has an incredibly deep mechanical knowledge of the game.

Summit does some bonker borderline exploit stuff but it's entertaining. You can't not love the theorycraft going into recreating nuke trinity on steroids. 

And Tavier Corsair/Voidforged is the one shining example of what mechanical and technical skills together can achieve in the game (i urge you to watch his dojo parkour videos). 

[bananacat89]

Drama llama's. 

 

[(PSN)wintersfrozen]

Welcome to the internet, people have opinions. Not all of them agree with everyone else.

[Dreadwire]

The only youtuber i follow is tactical potato.

And shy.

This 2 are god tier.

 

[Nirrel]

1 hour ago, Zyga21 said:

what a hot take

Not sure what other "take" I could have. Finished the video right now, and the only thing that I see here that you deliberately did go out of your way to misinterpret 50% of it starting with your very first statment in your OP (the 0.08 mark), and then comment on the rest taking random frases completely out of context just to do the same.

It seems that you didn't only disagree with the guy but taken proper offense that he sees thing differently than you and came on the forums to whine. Not sure why, considering that he did not post it here. So my take is still the same...

 

 

 

Edited May 22, 2019 by Nirrel

[EvilChaosKnight]

Alright, let's play a little game. It's called spot a lies and inaccuracies in OP.

Exhibit 0. Please point me at the timestamp where he claims to be speaking for everybody rather than himself and people he chatted with. He mentioned not being original in his rant and mentioned some YT and Twitch people as well as reddit.

6 hours ago, Zyga21 said:

0:08 He dismisses anyone who might happen to not agree with him as people who already made up their mind

Exhibit 1. Didn't take long, did it? So, his exact words are "And from that title alone you've probably come to the conclusion or wrote this video off as just another warframe content creator complaining about the fact that he has nothing to do." He then explains that "it's a bit more complex than that."

6 hours ago, Zyga21 said:

4:40 "I'd rather play warframe solo because it's more optimized to do so" well for starters it really isn't for most content, you can do it easier and faster with more players no matter who you are.

Exhibit 2. As many people in this topic said, you are in fact wrong. I mean "easier"? The only way to get even even easier is to have someone else play the mission for you and... oh right... that's what you are getting at I suppose. Well, that's exactly what happens in PUB. So it's right but actually wrong. If you want to PLAY the game, solo or friends is the way. If you want to race to the finish to get rewards ASAP with random embers, equinoxes and spin-to-win fans, go PUB.

6 hours ago, Zyga21 said:

5:50 "there is no reason to co-op in warframe outside [dolan hunts] and [relics] and, maybe, leveling of the main focus of the game"

First. Misquote, let me fix it.
Second. He's not wrong tho. Also leveling can be done solo with the right mods and setup, and it's much more fun than SO/ESO/Hydron because it's sneaky Ivara time.

6 hours ago, Zyga21 said:

6:00 he then goes on to say that he enjoyed playing the raids

And then he explains how raids were an "activity which required you to play cooperatively." I wonder what organs did you use to gather info from that video? Not eyes or ears, that's for sure.

6 hours ago, Zyga21 said:

7:15 he talks starts talking about how time is important and how you would only ever do the fastest missions when unlocking relics.

Now, why not tell everyone how happy you are to do Mobile Defs for relics. Because time doesn't matter, am I right? The difference in time vs rewards is very real, and modes like MD, Def and Interception just don't have anything to offer (not even gameplay tbh, unless you REALLY enjoy waiting XD). How's that wrong again?

6 hours ago, Zyga21 said:

8:30 "Muh one key for 900 rewards" I really hate when people use this argument, yes your keys could last for as long as you wanted, but you also got far fewer keys and they had far fewer bonuses to them compared to relics we have now.

Again, not exactly wrong. Keys also indirectly helped that community feel, at least within our clan. One of us would put up their key, we gather up and just try to get as much out of it as possible while chatting, joking and crying on TeamSpeak all the way through. Gameplay just went on and on until we got fed up or earned the desired part. There wasn't exactly a huge shortage of keys either, and you could get them in advance.
So idk. Might grind your gears, but as bad as keys were at times, I have pretty fond memories of that era overall.

6 hours ago, Zyga21 said:

13:00 "compare vauban prime vs equinox prime" It takes time to do this stuff, and they're busy with so much stuff. I'm more happy that with equinox prime we're also getting a lot of new things

"How can we be excited about the new prime release if even DE isn't excited about a new prime release."
Again, not wrong. PA turned from something interesting and exciting into just another "oh look, a new upgraded version of some old equipment sold for 150$ full package" Of course, extra materials don't make money or content, but they contribute to the feeling of DE's care and attention for the game. I suppose such things might be hard to explain. Old primes felt like something handcrafted presented at its best. New primes releases feel more like an assembly line in how they are offered.

6 hours ago, Zyga21 said:

13:35 he starts listing things that "nobody" asked for implying they also don't want i

To be fair, I don't really remember anyone asking for an "open world" section but people were curious to see it when it was offered. The fact that it didn't exactly live up to the expectations is another thing completely. The overall idea of DE falling victim to "content/feature creep" isn't entirely unfounded, however.

7 hours ago, Zyga21 said:

14:50 calls forum threads for recent arbitration changes and how people are saying they'll never revive a player. There are A******s anywhere, if you don't want to play with other people then play solo. It's almost as if they're trying to give you an opportunity to interact with your teammates

You mean "revive the person who died or suffer the ever-increasing debuff and thus risk of death from accidentally picking up tiny things"? That's one weird way of "interaction", and I'd frankly say, I'm better off without that. And what interaction is in it for them? To lie dead and wait for me to come over?

7 hours ago, Zyga21 said:

18:20 "playing with my buddies is always worth it" 🙂 well I'm glad you're finally starting to understand that the community makes the game...

It's as if like he talked about how he used to have a reason to team up and play actually together but not anymore... Nah. Can't be it.

7 hours ago, Zyga21 said:

18:25 "if you don't have X you can't play with us because I'm being an elitist"

Again, misquote. He talks about how premade groups now threat people who don't have specific relics, have slow computers or get killed in Arbs, and how it's a bad thing. Again, I have to question the organs you've used to process this video.

There we go. Since you've asked where you were out of context and whatnot. And it turns out, you were out of context quite a damn lot.

[TalonBlue]

57 minutes ago, Dreadwire said:

The only youtuber i follow is tactical potato.

And shy.

This 2 are god tier.

 

He posted a video today that was really on point on the state of Warframe. I think he nailed it.

[thanosinevitable]

Have you seen LifeOfRio (clickbait god) ?, he is worse

[IntheCoconut]

I tried to watch it. Honestly, I did. But after zoning out and rewinding 3 or 4 times I just gave up. He rambled for so long, I kept waiting for him to get to the point but he never did. Was there a point, or was it just a laundry list of all the things he dislikes in Warframe? He was just all over the place and I got really impatient. Further more, it's just his commentary over boring footage of him playing the game. Zzzzz....

Edited May 22, 2019 by IntheCoconut