selig_fay Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, (PS4)IrOrphanCrippler said: As for Trinity other things have been added into the game that make her energy vampire no longer necessary for a team. Such as I can have 200 large came restores on my gear wheel. I can have a Trinity specter on my gear wheel. And any player can own arcane energize . zenurik school of focus, so on. Things that are specific to a frame or item become more broadly available as the game progresses. Such is the nature of progress You don't need Trinity right now, except for special groups where people make special builds for Trinity vampire. Trinity Vampire is still the most powerful energy refill in the game. And all the methods that are available to all frames do not change this fact. You need to look wider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRVoidGuru Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, selig_fay said: You don't need Trinity right now, except for special groups where people make special builds for Trinity vampire. Trinity Vampire is still the most powerful energy refill in the game. And all the methods that are available to all frames do not change this fact. You need to look wider. Indeed! Trinity's energy vampire may indeed Be useful only in special groups. Just like the new strongest form of roar which will be rhino with empower will only be necessary in special groups. And now just as we have always had many forms of gaining energy, we will have many forms Of buffing ourselves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvertap Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Aralicia said: Mirage's Eclipse grant up to 75% damage reduction if you stay in the shadow. There also are a few abilities in the list that increase armor, which is in effect a form of damage reduction. Chroma's Elemental Ward gives +150% base armor when in cold alignment Valkyr's Warcry gives +50% base armor to all allies in range of the cry. Wukong's Defy increase the frame's armor based on damage absorbed during the taunt, up to 1500. Of course, both Chroma & Valkyr abilities does not work really well with frames that have a low base armor. Yes, but mirage eclipse is unreliable... and as u said, armor buff works for frames with high armor base only. Wukong defy would be the best option, but i don't how good would that be with low armor frame too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selig_fay Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, Silvertap said: Yes, but mirage eclipse is unreliable... and as u said, armor buff works for frames with high armor base only. Wukong defy would be the best option, but i don't how good would that be with low armor frame too... You get + 1500 armor. It does not depend on the initial state of your armor. Only from absorbed damage that was invulnerable. 1200 armor is 80% DR. Also, if you manage to make 4 seconds of invulnerability, it will be useful for shields. This will also help with adaptation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 On 2020-08-12 at 12:27 PM, [DE]Rebecca said: "COMPANION HEAL" "Heal your companion and call it to your side." I am still confused about this but I come conclusion, the dev is letting us have a free rez on any companions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljmadruga Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I for one am very excited for the coming update just because of this feature. One suggestion though; can the casting time for Revenant's Reave be reduced by half or elliminated entirely? Its animation is just long enough that it feels a little clunky to use on Revenant when he is not in his 4, let alone other frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leqesai Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 54 minutes ago, ChaoticEdge said: I am still confused about this but I come conclusion, the dev is letting us have a free rez on any companions. If thats the case then this ability is very useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzarugi Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, ljmadruga said: One suggestion though; can the casting time for Revenant's Reave be reduced by half or elliminated entirely? Its animation is just long enough that it feels a little clunky to use on Revenant when he is not in his 4, let alone other frames. It's not too bad of a problem if you use mods that improve casting speed. I play Revenant a lot and having faster cast speed proves to be useful for several of his abilities including maintaining his Mesmer Skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Shaun-T-Wilson Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, ChaoticEdge said: I am still confused about this but I come conclusion, the dev is letting us have a free rez on any companions. Its not completely free since it requires energy and ability slot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 52 minutes ago, (PS4)Shaun-T-Wilson said: Its not completely free since it requires energy and ability slot well by reading the thing it didn't say requirement of energy nor it is use as a ability but passive it seem to be. This ability is only Helminth's ability what he can do once you offer all that sweet points to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Shaun-T-Wilson Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 25 minutes ago, ChaoticEdge said: well by reading the thing it didn't say requirement of energy nor it is use as a ability but passive it seem to be. This ability is only Helminth's ability what he can do once you offer all that sweet points to him. It was shown at tennocon, tooltips had descriptions and energy cost for helmith unique abilitys. 5:42:04 time stamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oberick Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Please allow us to Subsume Primes. They are worthless to sell and I got multiples of several warframes (like 3 hydroid primes). Id much rather keep a copy of my normal hydroid and a single Hydroid Prime and then feed one of the Primes to Audrey jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, (PS4)Shaun-T-Wilson said: It was shown at tennocon, tooltips had descriptions and energy cost for helmith unique abilitys. 5:42:04 time stamp We may not know they will change it again, for it could be just simple is nice to know and getting a hint these abilities has some energy cost but it seems that these are just is a meh cost. Then again keep this also in mind that the dev kept on changing like the last time with RJ. Yikes everyone still remember the 1st time it came out it was disaster... Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcsyrine Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 If Loki's Decoy had Health and Shields that scaled or some other mechanic added, like being able to cast more than 1 at a time, it might be a convincing option... maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikakor Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 23 hours ago, (XB1)Th3BelovedSaint said: So, he is a self licking icecream cone imma just quote you here to tell you that imma steal that line. i just love it WAY. TOO. MUCH. ❤️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTagforHalo Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 12 hours ago, selig_fay said: By the way, I don't understand why there is still no meme about Rhino with dispenser and archgun? Is there an existing one with a rhino saying "Poot dispenser here!" to a protea whilst mowing down a hoard of grineer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Tomplexthis Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Arcsyrine said: If Loki's Decoy had Health and Shields that scaled or some other mechanic added, like being able to cast more than 1 at a time, it might be a convincing option... maybe... i think he should be able to place 4 decoys that absorb damage, then explode in an aoe dealing that damage back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CopperBezel Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 At least give it Molt's ability to absorb damage after casting to set its own health (which works like Iron Skin and Warding Halo.) I'm honestly surprised they updated Well of Life but not Decoy for the purposes of this update. Smeeta kavats have a significantly better decoy than Loki does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFrog9 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Breaking my resolve to not engage directly again for a moment, because this is irritating me: If Roar's damage boost is supposedly entirely irrelevant because we deal enough damage already (as some people are going through a pretty impressive amount of contortions to justify) then why should it be on the list at all? Wouldn't Iron Skin or even Rhino Charge be better? Why do you (plural, nonspecific) want it so badly if it's apparently useless anyways? Either Roar is irrelevant and should be removed for something that is relevant (such as, say, a 10k+ hp overshield that blocks status effects and knockdown), or you want it to be on the list and/or are willing to defend its presence because you do in fact expect to see signifiicant use out of it over the alternatives. Please explain this apparent discrepancy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeWurrum Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Could you just make "Companion Heal" into a Gear item we can craft, instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)MetalxPhoenix Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, MrFrog9 said: Breaking my resolve to not engage directly again for a moment, because this is irritating me: If Roar's damage boost is supposedly entirely irrelevant because we deal enough damage already (as some people are going through a pretty impressive amount of contortions to justify) then why should it be on the list at all? Wouldn't Iron Skin or even Rhino Charge be better? Why do you (plural, nonspecific) want it so badly if it's apparently useless anyways? Either Roar is irrelevant and should be removed for something that is relevant (such as, say, a 10k+ hp overshield that blocks status effects and knockdown), or you want it to be on the list and/or are willing to defend its presence because you do in fact expect to see signifiicant use out of it over the alternatives. Please explain this apparent discrepancy to me. It's very obvious they know it's the best ability in the system and will abuse it just like everything that has came out broken like Bramma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CopperBezel Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Criminy, strawman much? Who is claiming that Roar is useless? It certainly isn't anyone in this thread. If the argument "if it wasn't broken, you wouldn't want it" applied to any ability, it would necessarily apply to all of them. "If Breach Surge isn't broken, why should it even be on the list? If Airburst isn't broken, why should it even be on the list?" No, it's obviously one of the best abilities included, and no one is saying otherwise. Not "the best", because different abilities serve different purposes and there's not going to be a single best option for the entire roster of frames. But it could very well be useful in more cases than any other single ability on the list - and in literally any list DE could have created, there would be one ability that would technically be the most often useful. The entire question of whether such an option is dominantly OP is in how much of a margin there is between whatever's the "best" and whatever's the "second best". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekrode_Lyoko Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 *my operator ever so casually eyeing rhino's roar, then looking at valkyr's trash paralysis * OH yea, it's alll coming together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnoftheWhiteFury Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 15 hours ago, Rawbeard said: well, that certainly is ironic. which damage buffing ability does Mesa have that would prevent Roar or Eclipse being infused? He edited his original comment. He was speaking of Chroma originally. Maybe try reading my quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetAnubis Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 On 2020-08-16 at 3:41 AM, .durandle. said: valk has a quest line? the map missions that feature her as the focal point.. think its an assassination mission... sorry been so long since i did that content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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