rockscl Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 and my warframes like zanuka was supossed to do, does zanuka even exist anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhrekr Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Of course Zanuka doesn't exist. We killed it in Jupiter and Alad V went on to build other monstrosity, like the cretin he is. But ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrayArchon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Zanuka came after me a couple days ago, actually. Still extremely easy to kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yggranya Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Dhrekr said: Of course Zanuka doesn't exist. We killed it in Jupiter and Alad V went on to build other monstrosity, like the cretin he is. But ok. We killed Zanuka and Alad V, but unlike Zanuka, Alad V got better. How? Good question. Also makes you wonder how Zanuka's corpse is still hunting people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesodos Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, (PSN)Yggranya said: We killed Zanuka and Alad V, but unlike Zanuka, Alad V got better. How? Good question. Also makes you wonder how Zanuka's corpse is still hunting people. The Zanuka Hunter is a different one than the original in the Alad V bossfight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhrekr Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 46 minutes ago, (PSN)Yggranya said: We killed Zanuka and Alad V, but unlike Zanuka, Alad V got better. How? Good question. Alad V got better by trying a new, revolutionary medical technique that unfortunately involved copious amounts of Infestation. That's why Alad V launched his short-lived Mutualist Empire on Eris. 49 minutes ago, (PSN)Yggranya said: Also makes you wonder how Zanuka's corpse is still hunting people. Chronologically the Zanuka hunter is met before we kill, for the first time, Alad V on Jupiter. Basically, he sent a number of Zanuka hunters to chase us, he got us mad, we went on Jupiter, killed him, destroyed the last copy of Zanuka, and no further copy of Zanuka was ever seen. Which means that, yes, we players experience the story of Warframe out of order. But we already knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yggranya Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 18 hours ago, Dhrekr said: Alad V got better by trying a new, revolutionary medical technique that unfortunately involved copious amounts of Infestation. That's why Alad V launched his short-lived Mutualist Empire on Eris. Yeah, using good ol' retcons to take things into a different direction is what most story writers do for games. Easy and always available since it doesn't need to make any sense when you just hand-wave it away. How do you use "revolutionary medical technique" when you're dead? Must be space magic again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhrekr Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 13 hours ago, (PSN)Yggranya said: How do you use "revolutionary medical technique" when you're dead? Must be space magic again. As we leave Alad V on Jupiter, he is on the ground moaning like the sadsack he is. We clearly leave him alive, although gravely wounded. He managed to stabilize himself before dying. Nothing myserious or "retconny" about that. The fact that Alad V is still alive after our assassination attempt is a clear fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraethius Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 2021-04-20 at 11:35 AM, (PSN)Yggranya said: We killed Zanuka and Alad V, but unlike Zanuka, Alad V got better. How? Good question. Obviously the one we killed was "Punished" Venom Salad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yggranya Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 18 hours ago, Dhrekr said: As we leave Alad V on Jupiter, he is on the ground moaning like the sadsack he is. We clearly leave him alive, although gravely wounded. He managed to stabilize himself before dying. Nothing myserious or "retconny" about that. The fact that Alad V is still alive after our assassination attempt is a clear fact. "If the writing relies on the fanbase to fill numerous holes in the writing to provide reason to everything established in the story, it's bad writing." People tend to scream/whimper when they die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhrekr Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, (PSN)Yggranya said: People tend to scream/whimper when they die. Stay in that assassination for two hours. Tell me: has he yet died? Is that what a dead person sounds like? Do they tend to scream/whimper for two hours? Dude, I don't get why you are so dead-bent on this sort of "whah whah retcon". What are you, CinemaSins? Do you feel satisfaction in going around "ding"-ing things that weren't explained to you to the last detail? We left Alad V for dead, but he manage to stabilize himself using the infestation, which is basically magical immortality corruption serum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)C11H22O11 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 On 2021-04-20 at 5:35 AM, (PSN)Yggranya said: We killed Zanuka and Alad V, but unlike Zanuka, Alad V got better. How? Good question. Also makes you wonder how Zanuka's corpse is still hunting people. We don't kill some of the bosses, they either are defeated or escape. Unfortunately the only one that has animation to show this is Vay Hek and Stalker. We just kinda suck to kill anything that isn't a robot or infested mass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Graysmog Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 5 hours ago, (XBOX)C11H22O11 said: We don't kill some of the bosses, they either are defeated or escape. Unfortunately the only one that has animation to show this is Vay Hek and Stalker. We just kinda suck to kill anything that isn't a robot or infested mass That's most likely because a lot of these guys who fight us directly have contingency plans set in place (at least the smart ones anyway) as they know we are essentially immortal Gods upon the battlefield. The ones that didn't generally outright died, like most of the bosses in the game who got a smidge of power and thought that was enough to beat us. I guess the only guys I have to question is Lieutenant Lech Kril and Vor. We literally kill both of them in rather dramatic ways, with Vor exploding and Lech exploding but with fire. Yet they come back later, seemingly the exact same. You could probably shoo away that by saying their clones, but it still bothers me narratively and feels very much like a "we ran out of bosses so here they are, but together" sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockscl Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 pretty much everyone we kill happens to turn into their final form instead of dying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yggranya Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 On 2021-04-22 at 12:31 PM, Dhrekr said: Stay in that assassination for two hours. Tell me: has he yet died? Is that what a dead person sounds like? Do they tend to scream/whimper for two hours? Dude, I don't get why you are so dead-bent on this sort of "whah whah retcon". What are you, CinemaSins? Do you feel satisfaction in going around "ding"-ing things that weren't explained to you to the last detail? We left Alad V for dead, but he manage to stabilize himself using the infestation, which is basically magical immortality corruption serum. "Whah whah" indeed... Anyway, as i said, when the playerbase has to fill gaps for the writers in many instances, it's terrible writing. Warframe is full of this, as are most games, and i don't understand why people go out of their way to defend them. If you didn't care, you would be here claiming this, so as one of those kinds of people, tell me why. On 2021-04-22 at 2:26 PM, (XBOX)C11H22O11 said: We don't kill some of the bosses, they either are defeated or escape. Unfortunately the only one that has animation to show this is Vay Hek and Stalker. We just kinda suck to kill anything that isn't a robot or infested mass Yeah, Vor only got cut in half. He got better too, but it is what it is. At least with Vor it's obvious that it's space magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhrekr Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 12 hours ago, (PSN)Yggranya said: Anyway, as i said, when the playerbase has to fill gaps for the writers in many instances, it's terrible writing. Warframe is full of this, as are most games, and i don't understand why people go out of their way to defend them. It took me a while to pinpoint whomst you remind me of, and I finally found out. This sort of "at the beginning of a quest we leave Alad V for dead and in a following quest he appears, alive and healed through the Infestation, and we fans are left to fill in ALL THE GAPS in this very complicated process" is indeed a time-honored tradition that can be seen here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_of_Psi Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Chronologically Alad V was "killed" by the Captured Mag, she threw him out the window, but he lived his fall in the gas giant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)C11H22O11 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 14 hours ago, (PSN)Yggranya said: Yeah, Vor only got cut in half. He got better too, but it is what it is. At least with Vor it's obvious that it's space magic. Keyword "Some" Vor died in the quest the fight in Mercury is just there for you to fight him again and get his drops. As for Ceres it's a kinda lazy way of reusing the same bosses to fill it, if they consider giving Grineer some love like the Corpus are getting then Ceres is definitely a good place to start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marine027 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 vor 3 Stunden schrieb (XBOX)C11H22O11: Keyword "Some" Vor died in the quest the fight in Mercury is just there for you to fight him again and get his drops. As for Ceres it's a kinda lazy way of reusing the same bosses to fill it, if they consider giving Grineer some love like the Corpus are getting then Ceres is definitely a good place to start In one of the cinematic he got revived by his Janus key when they found the Excalibur. The boss fight on Mercury is just an introduction I guess, badly told, and/or should be represented the Cinematic death probably timeline wise, while his first resurrection made him ally with Lech Kril, then he probably died for good and became one with the Void somehow. At least how I see it, but then we have a lot of issues story wise how things proceed and or how they are supposed to follow up. Biggest issue are the "open world" wannabe maps in my eyes, those should be at the end of star chart and content. They should have stayed with nodes honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 On 2021-04-21 at 8:10 AM, Dhrekr said: As we leave Alad V on Jupiter, he is on the ground moaning like the sadsack he is. We clearly leave him alive, although gravely wounded. He managed to stabilize himself before dying. Nothing myserious or "retconny" about that. The fact that Alad V is still alive after our assassination attempt is a clear fact. Correction: the Infested stabilized him. I know the lore is presented to new players in the wrong order, but the Mutalist Alad V boss fight takes place BEFORE Second Dream Though you are correct that we're actually very bad at assassinating named characters, since they're constantly alive afterward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yggranya Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 11 hours ago, Dhrekr said: It took me a while to pinpoint whomst you remind me of, and I finally found out. This sort of "at the beginning of a quest we leave Alad V for dead and in a following quest he appears, alive and healed through the Infestation, and we fans are left to fill in ALL THE GAPS in this very complicated process" is indeed a time-honored tradition that can be seen here. Not going to answer my question? I'm not surprised. Let's try another one then: How do you explain Alad V's infestation scarred face on video screens in his first assassination mission? How did that happen before "We clearly leave him alive, although gravely wounded." and supposedly "managed to stabilize himself before dying."? Also, On 2021-04-22 at 2:31 PM, Dhrekr said: Stay in that assassination for two hours. Tell me: has he yet died? Alad V disintegrates into nothingness a lot sooner than in two hours. Maybe disintegrating himself and magically moving to an undisclosed to location somewhere to coalesce back together and conveniently "stabilize" himself with the all consuming infestation was TOTALLY according to plan? Ugh... Which begs the question: When he got infested, why did "killing" him just make him get better from his unfortunate situation? Why shoot the guy when he's clearly immortal. Hunhow was right, he is clearly orokin. See? I can make my own headcanon too but that doesn't make it right. Yes, i do want writers to be consistent, and i'm appalled how people are ready to wilfully ignore such glaring BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhrekr Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 3 hours ago, TARINunit9 said: Correction: the Infested stabilized him. I know the lore is presented to new players in the wrong order, but the Mutalist Alad V boss fight takes place BEFORE Second Dream I mean... sure, the Mutualist Alad V fight takes place before Second Dream. After we cured Alad V from his rampant infestation problem by stealing Tyl Regor's genetic research. It is, on that note, a bit of a shame that much of the personal lore of Warframe characters is lost to time because it was event-exclusive. It is hardly a surprise that some people go around ding-ing "plot holes" like CinemaSins are the be-all and end-all of media criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazero Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 I can't tell if your CinemaSins reference is good or bad since CinemaSins is infamous for just being wrong about a lot of things. On the other hand warframe lore is bad. Why would you assume a boss is alive after a murderous psycho warframe shows up to kill him? A warframe that is infamous for being good at killing? Why wouldn't we kill him? No, seriously why wouldn't we kill someone who sent kidnapping murder robots after us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer_Auto Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Apparently people don't realize that a lot of crucial lore was kept to one-time events: Alad's entire lore Specifically Mutalist Alad's lore Summary (last part in spoiler block, in case you haven't gotten to the new story that was intro'd in U25): Part 1, Jupiter Boss Fight - Alad V created a lot of Corpus weapons, but his baby was The Zanuka Project; in which he butchered Warframes in order to study them, then turn them into his own creations (SIDE NOTE: this leads to the lore behind standard Valkyr, the one escapee). Part 2, Eris Boss Fight - After the Tenno shut down his operations on Jupiter the first time, he drags himself away to recover from the thrashing we gave him. Wanting to get back on the Corpus Board of Directors' good side again, he makes the Mutalist strain of Infestation, but as it turns out it mucked up his own body in the process of his experiments. After we give him another thrashing, Lotus tells us to take mercy on him and cure him. Part 3, The Jovian Concord (explore the new Jupiter maps for "The Partnership" Fragments, and play the Ropalolyst Boss Fight for this part of the story) - Spoiler After Eris and the Mutalist fiasco, Alad decides that it's time to lay low again and reevaluate how he does things before he gets a third whuppin'. He draws up plans for the Amalgams while hiding, and only starts production after a "generous investor" lends him untold amounts of creds and plat. Turns out, it's Natah, and she has plans for his monsters, so she sends the Ropalolyst to act as a guard and a warden so Alad isn't interrupted and can't do anything to backstab Natah. If you want to look at everything in full detail, here's the beginning of the updates. Note that the updates go in descending order from newest to oldest, so you'll have to go to the bottom and work your way back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yggranya Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 7 hours ago, Sazero said: I can't tell if your CinemaSins reference is good or bad since CinemaSins is infamous for just being wrong about a lot of things. On the other hand warframe lore is bad. Why would you assume a boss is alive after a murderous psycho warframe shows up to kill him? A warframe that is infamous for being good at killing? Why wouldn't we kill him? No, seriously why wouldn't we kill someone who sent kidnapping murder robots after us? Apparently none of that needs to be explained as long as someone hand-waves it later...and even that isn't required for most of these people. 9 hours ago, Dhrekr said: ding-ing Just like claiming that everything is fine as long as you don't think about it is "ding-ing", right? (whatever "ding-ing" means anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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