[PC Update 23.5] Revenant Feedback Megathread

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POSITIVES ON REVENANT

• High shields allow preparedness for ranged enemies
• Damage of Revenant's 4th scales well and balances out
• 2nd ability's defensive mechanic is rather unique

NEGATIVES

• Requires a lot of casting of Revenant's 1st to create more Thralls to make some of his skills stand out
• Some aspect of Revenant's 1st could be best if it had some AOE
• 3rd ability's traveling is EXTREMELY wonky and uncontrollable

 

THRALL ABILITY SUGGESTION

Revenant uses the Senitent Eidolon "Scream" to seduce surrounding enemies to become his thralls.

• From Revenant, he blasts an AOE turning surrounding enemies into his thralls
• Thralls in this variant could have some limits to how it can spread

MESMER SKIN SUGGESTION

• Could have enemies that are stunned by this ability have then give Thrall {the suggested version} some Energy instead of the 0 Energy cost effect

REAVE SUGGESTION

Revenant enters the ghost form of the Vomvalyst while draining power fro surrounding enemies

• This version of Reave becomes a toggle (or low duration temporary mode) that allows Revenant to ignore all damage sources but has an AOE aura which drains Health and Shields from enemies inside the aura.
• Could also have this form grant increased running speed and bullet jump while toggled on

Danse Macabre SUGGESTION

• Maybe have this ability offer Revenant free degree movement?
• Have the above Reave while Danse Macabre is active have some special effect on energy wells created?

 

[DeckChairVonBananaCamel]

9 minutes ago, --Laughing-Soul-- said:

read the post title and post

 

i think what they meant was that the corpus should recieve the gas damage instead of magnetic, and the infested should recieve heat or blast instead of gas

[Eric1738]

His 2 is great. Scaling with ability strength means Revenant can withstand quite a few hits in high levels. Enthrall is ok, but I wish thrall limit can scale with ability strength aswell, but I guess it then becomes almost as good as Nekros' ult? His 3 is a bit disappointing imo. An overcost Rhino Charge with minor benefits can use some buffs.

[(PSN)LoisGordils]

34 minutes ago, DeckChairVonBananaCamel said:

Personally i think radiation would be the best choice as it actually blocks the buff that ancients give to their allies, but even heat damage would be better tbh.

Radiation would be a horrible choice. It is resisted by regular Infested and extremely resisted by Fossilized Infested.

[Synpai]

I fell asleep in the middle of typing this....feels bad.

 

 

I think the blending of these two themes have really shown in gameplay.

It felt like his first and third abilities were only made to satisfy some vampiric theme that wasn't Re-l-evant (Reven-l-ant? I'll accept my pun-ishment now)

I can say I'm disappointed that there are no wailing sounds at all.

 

Enthrall:

Enthrall is mind control, there's no other way to look at it. You'd be better off smacking it on Nyx, giving her DR per target controlled and making the targets harder to kill by allies

I'm flabbergasted that the Phatasma's secondary fire...wasn't Revenant's first ability, it fits the bill to a tee. Refund energy on enemies stunned by mesmer skin add in synnergy with other abilities and you could make the disco ball throw bullets too.

PPS: If you're going to give a warframe a random feeling trap ability....make sure they have a away to suck in/congregate enemies, otherwise you have an ability that....doesn't really DO anything. You could make it so that Revenant/his allies get a buff when standing in/picking up traps too.

 

Mesmer Skin:

Good ability, charges are inconsistent. I have a feeling if the charges functioned correctly you'd be dead more times than you could count.
For a pseudo tank (relying on the ability) and creating other targets it's hard to reliably take incoming damage to power up Dance Macabre

 

Reave:

He's a pseudo-tank....he has no damage reduction so shields make him butter, he has very little actual armor so his effective HP isn't high enough to benefit from lifesteal. Better off going unused to avoid walls, cliffs, and such. Costs too much energy to use effectively with his main ability: Dance Dance Revolution (I'll see myself out).

No Energy wail or stomp....he turns into a cloud....for reasons unknown to me in my small scope of sentient research.

He could have stomped or pulsed out in a wave, and then dragged enemies back to him

 

Dance Dance Macabre:

It's the best thing he has. Range and angles makes this ability a bit awkward making damage inconsistent and the one ability you CAN use during this....there's no point to.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Synpai

[ShiraHagane]

1 minute ago, (PS4)LoisGordils said:

Radiation would be a horrible choice. It is resisted by regular Infested and extremely resisted by Fossilized Infested.

Still better than gas

[BoomyGordo]

Just now, (PS4)LoisGordils said:

Radiation would be a horrible choice. It is resisted by regular Infested and extremely resisted by Fossilized Infested.

radiation is one of the best for high level infested because a single proc anywhere within a healers aura disables the aura. procs on disruptor and toxic ancients also disable their auras.

 

[Camberwell]

if you enthrall an eidolon lure you seem to permanantly get a number 1 in the top right corner even after the timers ends

[Eric1738]

His 2 is great. Scaling with ability strength means Revenant can withstand quite a few hits in high levels. Enthrall is ok, but I wish thrall limit can scale with ability strength aswell, but I guess it then becomes almost as good as Nekros' ult? His 3 is a bit disappointing imo. An overcost Rhino Charge with minor benefits can use some buff.

[atejas]

1 hour ago, Azvalk said:

A very short audible indicator would be welcome for every stunned enemy,
and another when we no longer have our armor.

Why stop at an audible lure? Seeing eidolon tendrils reach out and stun the target would let you prioritise stunned targets much better in the heat of battle.

[EinheriarJudith]

2 minutes ago, atejas said:

Why stop at an audible lure? Seeing eidolon tendrils reach out and stun the target would let you prioritise stunned targets much better in the heat of battle.

agreed. the stun looks like sleep and that can be confusing if say ivara or equinox is also in the group.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

3 hours ago, ADYY2002 said:

NEW BUG !!!

I went out on the plains with the quest started , i went to the circle and after i first saw revenant Nakak told me to go talk to Konzu , i went without getting the blueprint , and now when i enter at night in plains , the revenant circles are not appearing , and i can't do anything to get the blueprint.

Gotta farm his parts to continue the quest.

[Samwaise]

Please lower the brightness on his ability 4 (Danse Macabre) Every mission with a Revenant in it is ends up me completely avoid being near him. It is an absolute catastrophe with all those beams shining everywhere for me to being able to see anything within the proximity.

[Bloop]

After 7 forma into this warframe and extensive testing, I have to say that his main lackluster point is Enthrall. I think the cap of 4 is perfectly fine, I can see the reasoning behind the cap, but it still grants issues.
Firstly, the free energy enthrall cast granted by Mesmer Skin becomes pointless once the thrall spread and capped, making it purely for sleep.

Reave is fairly expensive, it's powerful against thralls due to its mechanics, but it does not justify its cost for the healing purposes it has. I would recommend reducing its cost from 75 to 50.

Danse Macabre suffers from the same issues Sandstorm has, and that's lack of verticality. I suggest some form of aiming upwards and downwards, maybe using Ctrl to bring the lasers down, and shift to bring them up.

For Enthrall, I suggest these two:
-Enthrall now divides in two categories: Thralls and reserves. Thralls cap remains at 4, however more thralls can be created by their spread, they just won't be mind controlled (thus will remain attacking either thralls or Revenant) and instead will buff Revenant's armor by 105 (can be buffed by strength) per reserve thrall. Once one of the main 4 thralls dies, one of the reserve thralls will be mind controlled. This system will keep the ability balanced, while boosting Revenant's survivability when he's not relying on Mesmer Skin. It will also give the asleep enemies some synergic use if the cap is covered.

Forgot to add: Spamming Reave will cause a visual bug, which will leave the smoke screen remain forever at sight, letting you unable to see anything.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Naagore
Added bug report

[G-I-D]

Just got Revenant.

His 4th seems like the carrier ability of his entire kit. As soon as you have the Ability unlocked even without any strength mods it can deal with lvl 40s easily. And the other 3 Abilities just lose their purpose. Why enthrall anything if you can just mow it down. Why leech if you can just mow it down. Why protect yourself if you can just mow it down!

I think combining 1 and 2 would be a good start. Have anyone that damages you be automatically enthralled. And replace the second ability with like a suicide bomber command, where all your thralls will just die in an explosion or will just straight up run to the nearest enemy and explode with sentient energy.

But like honestly with the 4th Ability the other 3 just become irrelevant... better turn those 3 into revenant and bring them back

[Viur]

One thing I do want to point out is that I absolutely adore the concept behind this frame. Taking on a Sentient aspect and mirroring their abilities in Revenant's kit is extremely fun, though there are some faults to his kit that I wish were polished better.

His Enthrall for example is a great idea (arguably a better implemented Mind Control from Nyx) and the focus on using Enthrall to synergize with the rest of his kit is a good idea on DE's part. Except for the fact it takes far too long in many cases for an Enthrall horde to even build up. This is because Enthrall spreading is completely held hostage by the enemy's AI. And those of us who have played this game for many, many hours know how often the AI fumbles and bumbles about, sometimes not even attacking or shooting at an object that is in between the actual target fruitlessly. Building up a large horde of brainwashed minions (or even a horde that is just a quartet of angry Corpus Crewmen looking to stand up against Nef Anyo's Black Neptune sales) feels very clunky due to the fact the AI takes a variable amount of time between getting Enthralled and actually attacking- which is repeated for every enemy that goes under your command. This leads to moments where the fastest way to build a little posse is to swing around your reticle and spamming Enthrall to the best of your abilities to get the ball rolling. An idea I thought of to alleviate this would be letting the small Vomy above an enemy's head "gaze" at nearby enemies to quickly enthrall them in, say, one to two seconds or something. An enthralling gaze so to speak. That way it could spread better without relying on chance of the AI actually being competent.

Mesmer Skin functions and that is sadly the only good thing I can say about it. You activate it and it does its job, but I personally believe it needs something more for the eye. Namely an indicator so you know which enemies are affected so you can get that delicious no cost Enthrall. The only way to really tell is if you watch for enemies that go into a lobotomized looking state. Why not have them glow like how enemies under Nyx's Mind Control, Titania's Lantern/Spellbind etc. If we're talking about visual effects of the ability itself, it looks very boring. Smoke comes out of you and it is not even of your energy color. Only the very small bits flowing directly over Revenant actually changes color. Why couldn't the rest of the smoke share that color feature?

Reave is, in my opinion, the worst of his kit. A movement ability at best with some bonuses tacked on to it all for the cost of a hefty 50 energy. This isn't so bad with efficiency, of course, but 50 energy doesn't seem like a worthy cost for something that does not drain that much shield and health like it SHOULD. Not to mention it looks jarring visually. The "wall" that you dash through is like a fogged up mirror trying hard to look like a Volt shield.

Danse Macabre is the most visually pleasing move of his kit and does more than enough to make Revenant stand out. The damage is great. The ability to adapt to different damage types is a nice bonus and the overshield drops along with damage redirection makes this ability the juiciest of his kit. I am completely satisfied with his fourth ability especially because it emulates that damned Gauntulyst laser light show that has shredded my operator and frame countless times over many tridolon hunts.

I am hoping there are going to be a change or two to Revenant. Especially his Enthrall and Reave as it is clear DE wants Enthrall to be the basis of his kit synergy, but it just does not build up fast enough to make him feel as fluid and flexible as a warframe like Nidus or reworked Saryn. I've also seen some people in past squads say how his Danse Macabre is doomed to be nerfed and I hope that doesn't happen because, to me, Revenant is far from that "OP" spectrum that a lot of people right now are putting him up on (by a lot of people I can only speak for the people in my squads and clan that solely see him as a 4 bot).

[Kaliphear]

Some quick thoughts, as I slot my second forma:

 

Passive: It's barely noticeable, which I guess is neither a good or a bad thing? It feels like it needs a more pronounced effect or a slightly wider radius.

Enthrall: His worst ability, by far. Since it's capped at 4 units with no way to easily cycle out "poor" choices I almost never wind up using it. The pillars it leaves behind, while thematically cool, don't seem to do much. Not enough to warrant the power expenditure of mass enthralling, anyway.

Mesmer Armor: So we went through with the charge system? Seriously? I guess it's fine as long as you're not staring down the Grineer or anything that produces a DoT effect (hellow Toxic Ancient), but it just feels unsatisfying to use, especially given the cast time and animations.

Reave: Ugh. Just, why? It's SOOOOO short range, I almost spend more time in the animation to cast the skill than I do actually mist-dashing around. Why isn't this ability a toggle with energy cost per unit moved?

Edit: I almost forgot to add. It is borderline unacceptable for a game that looks this good to have Revenant's 3 ship with a giant mist-filled square. Like, it just looks bad. There's gotta be something done here on the visuals.

Danse Macabre: Mixed feelings here. Damage seems solid, but the ability range is inconsistent (seems to be two hemispheres pushed together, with the wider one covering the arc of his outstretched hand. Makes range stat in the arsenal utterly misleading). In general, the only thing I hate about this ability is its goofy animation. Why is he doing a laser pirouette? Why doesn't he just hover off the ground while the lasers either come up from the ground around him or down from the sky? You know, LIKE THE EIDOLONS.

 

All in all, he's got great visuals, but just a poor execution on his design that winds up feeling frustrating to play.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Kaliphear

[DrGerbz]

You've made Revenant totally useless, well done DE.

Remove the hardcap of 4 from his first ability. Wtf were you thinking anyway? That's not a 'horde'. Especially considering teammates kill them within 5 seconds. How did you not notice this during testing? Give us a minimum of 10 minions, and make the skill a wave like Harrow's chains so that we can enthrall multiple enemies at a time.

And how do you expect us to find enemies that are stunned from his 2nd skill in the middle of 30+ enemies, and with tons of effects around? Oh and cheers for the smoke screen while its active, ensuring we see even less.

His third ability looks incredibly bad. Please change that placeholder graphic asap. Of course the skill itself is pretty much useless too.

His 4th ability needs the ability to hover upwards when holding space. Can't move over the smallest of ledges.

 

I've learned my lesson, I'm not buying frames anymore on the day they are released.

 

EDIT: Oh and of course his passive is totally useless too.

EDIT 2: His 4th ability also stops your sprint, when you've got toggle enabled.

Edited August 25, 2018 by DrGerbz

[DrGerbz]

4 hours ago, GrimMonsoon said:

Where every Terry, Garry and harry is posting and everything gets lost in the crowd. 🙂 

Oh look, we've got a special snowflake over here.

[MetalCotton]

Passive: Honestly, I didn't even notice he had one.

Enthrall: You've got a hardcap of four Thralls to pick from, choose wisely. God help you if you use this ability in a Public lobby, because your allies are more than likely going to demolish them before they get the chance to do anything. I find the concept strange, especially when Revenant's entire shtick is based around Thralls and his ability to both create and absorb health/shields from them. Either increase or remove the cap, or give it some sort of feature where you don't have to rely on a foe's competence and aim to acquire more zombies at your command. Additionally, the pillars enemies leave behind when they die don't really do anything.

Mesmer Armor: Boy I sure do love me an obscuring smoke effect. Least I don't have to see it for long when the DoT effects eventually come rolling through to wipe that armor away. I get the concept behind it, but I feel like during design someone was a little too afraid of making it too good, but then had a stroke somewhere along the line and made it effectively useless.

Reave: The cast time alone makes this ability more trouble than it's worth. Then couple that with the energy cost and janky movement, and it really just feels too awkward to both with.

Danse Macabre: This looks neat and it does damage. Drains a lot of energy, but it's neat. The animation just looks a bit strange, though.

[Valoroy]

I have been playing Revenant a lot with a balanced build and honestly I enjoy him. I think he's definitely close to being in a really good place.

My feedback for him would follow the same vein as others feedback. Enthrall is really difficult to use especially in a squad when they get instantly nuked by other players. Maybe if they could charge other enemies rather than enthrall them that could help it, making charged enemies drop a smaller energy trap on death, maybe they go away after a single tick or something. This could give him a lot of potential to have a kind of viral effect similar to Saryn where he would spread out his plague without running into the issue of being completely op because he turned a room of enemies into his minions, as well as when you want to enthrall something and you can't because you're at the cap from a thrall grabbing four buddies, which can be frustrating when they take really weak enemies when you would've enthralled something stronger.

The other bit of feedback would definitely be mesmer skin. While I don't mind this ability too much mechanically, I have a hard time with the mist visual. It can be really distracting, especially in places that are darker scenes, such as infested missions, it adds a lot of visual noise that can be difficult to deal with, especially when other enemies are lobbing around fog like a Nox or infested osprey.

His third and fourth ability I don't have anything wrong with, they have a lot of synergy and are good for offense and defense. His passive is also nice for rezzing allies under fire and a random panic button for when you are under a lot of damage pressure. Kinda wish it did more to help the rest of his kit but I don't really expect much from a passive. Niche but still useful.

[Papragu]

Mesmer Armor : Is rather useless with insane low ammount of stacks. It is usually gone i 3 seconds. That needs to be changed to a duration based skill.

Danse Macabre: Actually not bad but it has the wrong modificator. As the skill works and according to the stat energy/s, it should be affected by efficiency. But it is actually affected by duration? Since the skill works like any other energy sucking skill, i guess somebody made a mistake there.

[Fallen_Echo]

So i just got him and i can already see the glaring issue with his 1. 

The enemy AI is still horrible and the damage/health ratio wont help the latter.

I made the test with lv1 frontier lancers and these guys need 3 grenades from their mates to die and several shots to kill each other, meanwhile my unranked, unmodded akvasto kills them in 3 shots. They are entirely pointless and their threat search is non-existant what means i could get shot at continously and they still wouldnt try to kill my attacker.

I cant comment on the others yet but this is a horrible start.

[Mu_Gera]

So I have yet to build rev so I'm not too sure but I have come across a few and I can already see a problem, that his thralls don't last at all and more often than not I'll manage to accidentally kill them.

 

Going off on his abilities description, his 1 might need the mind control treatment and make the initial thrall immune to friendly fire. Either immune for the full duration or partially, but something so that it has a chance to infect instead of becoming a mine. Especially against nukes.

[Fallen_Echo]

1 minute ago, -Bv-Concarne said:

So I have yet to build rev so I'm not too sure but I have come across a few and I can already see a problem, that his thralls don't last at all and more often than not I'll manage to accidentally kill them.

 

Going off on his abilities description, his 1 might need the mind control treatment and make the initial thrall immune to friendly fire. Either immune for the full duration or partially, but something so that it has a chance to infect instead of becoming a mine. Especially against nukes.

This is something i suggested for nyx but it can work on revenant too. Let the thralls absorb incoming friendly fire and explode with it once their duration runs out.